How should Christian's respond to "Free The Nipples" movement?

[ember]

Ah yes... we can discuss women's breasts without appearing to be leering

wait...doesn't that rhyme?

childish

 

[ember]

thanks for pointing that out captain obvious.

some people leave the lights off when they are alone.....don't wanna see anything that the museum in Paris has exposed

 

[prove-all]

lewdness here in the usa, but not else where.
that how you was raised.

God put adam and eve here naked, i wonder was it lewdness then.

no it was not lewdness before sin entered,

and they where clothed afterwards

 

[DesiredHaven]

Exposing ones sins in scripture is symbolized as ones nakedness being exposed. It used to be people had a conscience toward sin, and even a feeling of shame for it. But nowadays their is pride in sin, just like gay pride. We see legalization of sin, showing lawlessness and rebellion toward the words of God. But it is as the Lord said it would be, the last state of mankind shall be worse than his first concerning this wicked and adulterous generation.

Isaiah 47:3
Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man.

Nahum 3:5
Behold, I am against thee, saith the Lord of hosts; and I will discover thy skirts upon thy face, and I will shew the nations thy nakedness, and the kingdoms thy shame.

Revelation 3:18
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.



Isaiah 3:9
The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.

I agree, folks should keep their garments with them (and on them)


Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief.
Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

 

[SolidGround]

I support modesty, in that case I feel we should wear more clothes not less. Men wearing shirts and nipples being censored as well as females. I think people should be promoting this instead of allowing females to do the same. We are almost there to where who cares about wearing clothes.

I think Christians should respond with their own movement for modesty...Who's in?! *fist pumps*

I don't expect many unsaved to join the modesty movement, but it sure would reduce the hypocrisy among Christians if we would all use modesty in our lives.
This also applies to the preachers wife with the big hair, sequined outfit, oversized necklace, and BMW.
Modesty in lifestyle affects more than just cleavage.

 

[passing_through]

lewdness here in the usa, but not else where.
that how you was raised.

God put adam and eve here naked, i wonder was it lewdness then.

Lewdness is lewdness whomever and wherever you are. Why don't we forbear clothing all together. What if someone was accustomed to worship a golden calf, would it be alright then. What if there was a movement for men to wear short shorts and let there family jewels be seen.

This message board blows my mind with what is exceptable it grieves my heart.

 

[dcontroversal]

Modesty is the issue, not nudity or nakedness.
Mammary glands are not sex organs. If a person has a fixation with them, the problem is cultural/personal, not with the glands themselves. To say this bluntly: boobs are for babies. That is the ethical approach. They have a good purpose, and anything outside of that purpose leans to unethical territory.

Now, on to the spiritual matter, and a spiritual approach: MODESTY!
Is it modest for an fit and attractive man to walk around shirtless? No. I would tell any man to put his shirt back on if my daughters were around.
Does this same principle not also apply to women? Even more so! Even the most average of women possesses twice the beauty of the handsomest man, and who can deny it?
If you are proud of what is hidden beneath your clothing, SAVE IT FOR YOUR MARRIAGE! Have some modesty. That goes for men and women. Swimming, jogging, working, or casual... there is no excuse for vanity.

Can we stop the unsaved from acting like heathens? No.
But we don't need to act like them, or support their vanity.

Lesson of the story: keep your shirts on.

Tell that to God when he inspired the Song of Solomon and how he took great pleasure in her breasts...........

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

After the fall, “the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked” (See Genesis 3). They realized their nakedness and intuitively attempted to cover themselves but it was God Himself who covered them using animal skins.

As Houdmann (M.Div.) states:

"With few exceptions, the Bible presents nakedness as shameful and degrading (Genesis 9:21; Exodus 20:26; 32:25; 2 Chronicles 28:19; Isaiah 47:3; Ezekiel 16:35-36; Luke 8:27; Revelation 3:17; 16:15; 17:16). The only passages in which nudity is free of shame are those that describe Eden’s idyllic setting or that deal with marital relations (Proverbs 5:18-19; Song of Solomon 4).

We still live in a fallen world, surrounded by lust, immorality, and perversion. The innocence of Eden is gone. Naturist philosophy ignores the results of the fall. Even in “asexual” contexts, public displays of nudity dishonor God by pretending an innocence that no longer exists. A Christian should definitely not be a nudist or participate in nudist activities."

^ I concur with Houdmann on this issue.

There is a new movement sweeping the internet, and that is for the freedom for women to go topless in public. They make an interesting point to the fact that it used to be unacceptable for men to topless in public at one point. Now that it is no longer considered "sexual" or "men shouldn't have to worry about being sexually objectified" when being topless, shouldn't women also have that same right?

Christians should not endorse this movement, but it is a part of our culture. How should we as a people? It may very well impact our society to a point where our daughters may one day wish to go topless at a beach. Thoughts as to how to navigate?

 

[passing_through]

Tell that to God when he inspired the Song of Solomon and how he took great pleasure in her breasts...........

...let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

what I wanna say I just can't.

I sat here and debated with myself. Reached the same conclusion.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

A scriptural allegory of a relationship between God and Israel; Christ (the bridegroom) and his Church (the bride); and (if taken literally) a husband and wife does not justify female nudity in public.

...let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love.

 

[dcontroversal]

A scriptural allegory of a relationship between God and Israel; Christ (the bridegroom) and his Church (the bride); and (if taken literally) a husband and wife does not justify female nudity in public.

Ummmm...I don't think he is saying that this justifies female nudity in public........!

 

[MarcR]

If the OP question were whether believers should dress and conduct themselves modestly; I would expect a unanimous or nearly unanimous yes!

That was NOT the OP question! The OP question concerned how we should respond to a secular movement of women who want permission to display themselves.

How do we simultaneously tell them that 'believers are not under law; but we are under grace.' and also tell them 'but we want to put you under law until you come under grace'; and still maintain our credibility.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Simply present the truth. God's holiness and love are perfect and normalize perfectly. They are not diametrically opposed to each other nor are they in conflict. One cannot rightfully discard one for the other.

It is in scripture we find the proper relationship between God's moral law and His agape love. Two equal and opposite dangers must be avoided:

1. Legalism effectively ousts agape love as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life by reducing both to obedience or conformity to a set of external commands or rules (after the manner of the scribes and Pharisees in the gospels).

2. Its opposite, antinomianism, ousts God's moral law as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life. Antinomianism is heresy that tells Christians it's OK to forget about God's law and concentrate solely on agape love... a course which is a justification for degeneration and immoral licence, such as homosexual marriage, rather than promoting the true Christian liberty (i.e. freedom from sin).

The Gospel of Jesus Christ and God's grace in Jesus Christ frees the Christian from both these erroneous tendencies but only if Christians respectfully strive to follow God's moral law and both practice and realize agape love in their lives.

The OP question concerned how we should respond to a secular movement of women who want permission to display themselves. How do we simultaneously tell them that 'believers are not under law; but we are under grace.' and also tell them 'but we want to put you under law until you come under grace'; and still maintain our credibility.

 

[kaylagrl]

what I wanna say I just can't.

Whisper it too me....

 

[DesiredHaven]

Whisper it too me....

I wanna know too

 

[kaylagrl]

lewdness here in the usa, but not else where.
that how you was raised.

God put adam and eve here naked, i wonder was it lewdness then.

Adam and Eve covered themselves with leaves after the fall.Why? They had knowledge of good and evil. IE, lust

 

[CRC]

Jesus said: “Everyone that keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” (Matthew 5:28)

 

[kaylagrl]

Tell that to God when he inspired the Song of Solomon and how he took great pleasure in her breasts...........

Yes,in private,between married people not at the local dunkin dounuts!

 

[SolidGround]

Tell that to God when he inspired the Song of Solomon and how he took great pleasure in her breasts...........

He also goes into such detail about her neck, and her straight pearly white teeth. Beauty is beauty.
The ethical point still stands that beauty and satisfaction are not merely sexually based.
If a person could not view beauty without arousal, then the Grand Canyon would be a red light district.

I do hear your point, and agree. But I want you to see that the two points don't actually conflict.
The purpose of mammary glands is tied to their beauty... but the purpose is not aesthetics. Aesthetics are the byproduct.

God has designed man to find useful things attractive. The only thing possibly more useful and noble than feeding a baby, is feeding the lost sheep.

The "pro-nudity" crowd views the purpose as secondary to the aesthetics, because they are more proud of the aesthetics. That is why it is a distortion, a perversion, and lewd.