How should Christian's respond to "Free The Nipples" movement?

[atwhatcost]

There is a new movement sweeping the internet, and that is for the freedom for women to go topless in public. They make an interesting point to the fact that it used to be unacceptable for men to topless in public at one point. Now that it is no longer considered "sexual" or "men shouldn't have to worry about being sexually objectified" when being topless, shouldn't women also have that same right?

Christians should not endorse this movement, but it is a part of our culture. How should we as a people? It may very well impact our society to a point where our daughters may one day wish to go topless at a beach. Thoughts as to how to navigate?

I'm 59. If it helps any, this is the third time they tried this malarky since I've been an adult. Notice: It didn't catch on. I doubt it will catch on this time either. Skip morality, God, and all other things Christians go by. In truth, we all know men are objectified if they go topless and look good. They're also scorned if they don't look good. Most women have the common sense to know this is true.

And, not to mention it's just too cold and not socially acceptable to go topless for men or women in most places. They don't let men in convenient stores without a top, once more businesses or any buildings. Why would they suddenly need to tell women those laws apply to them too?

 

[RickyZ]

Let me turn this question around a bit - had Adam and Eve not eaten from the tree, would we all still be running around naked today?

Actually, I'll make this it's own thread.

 

[RickyZ]

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/113640-what-would-like.html#post2064343

 

[RickyZ]

As for the nipple issue, you know Adam and Eve were created naked and ran around that way for who knows how long before they fell and found it unnatural to be naked. My point earlier was, if they hadn't fallen would we all be showing our nipples today? Of course if that were the case we wouldn't think it unusual and this thread would only exist if someone covered them up and we were debating whether covering up was ok . Why did God make us naked? I think the human body is His greatest art form. There are infinite variations, and yet they are all the same. It's really too bad satan screwed that up for us and now we can't freely enjoy it. But is that in the eye of the beholder? If we go to an art show and view a nude sculpture are we automatically aroused? Or can we platonically enjoy it for it's artistic value?

There's also the issue of enticement. A lot of humans want what they can't have. If bare breasts were as common as third brake lights are now, would you really still notice them? Or would we soon tire of them and say meh as they become commonplace?

Should we free the nips? Personally, I don't really care either way, I can handle it. But I do know that it would inflame lust in some, and I know what God says about that. So for that reason, I'm out.

 

[Ariel82]

You know I read the title and thought this thread was about breastfeeding in public.....man was I wrong................

 

[SolidGround]

You know I read the title and thought this thread was about breastfeeding in public.....man was I wrong................

The debates are often inter-twined, especially in secular culture.

I do not see breast-feeding as immodest. Should a woman try to be careful about who is around? Of course, but babies are not very patient, and needs must be met when there is a need.

 

[SolidGround]

Let me turn this question around a bit - had Adam and Eve not eaten from the tree, would we all still be running around naked today?

If humans were truly innocent, then nudity would not be an issue. However, humanity is not innocent, and should not pretend to be.

It is true that dwelling upon, or submitting to temptation is the fault of the tempted,
but guilt still rests upon the tempter by putting another human in such a position.

"Getting back to nature" is not a good priority, because the nature of mankind is FALLEN.

Modesty and innocence are opposites on the spectrum of mentality.
Someone who is truly innocent has no need for modesty: babies! Naked and innocent!
Someone who is truly modest is only able to do so by recognizing the lack of innocence within themselves and others. Without such recognition, it is a false modesty. A person cannot think themselves perfect and also modest without being a hypocrite... unless they are the Son of God.

 

[MarcR]

Let me turn this question around a bit - had Adam and Eve not eaten from the tree, would we all still be running around naked today?

IMO, it would seem so.

 

[RickyZ]

You know I read the title and thought this thread was about breastfeeding in public.....man was I wrong................

Years ago when I was rehabbing a knee injury we had this woman with a 5 year old daughter who drank from the breast as if it were a water fountain. Seriously, if the kid was thirsty all she had to say was "mama baba" and out it came. This went on for some time and patients started mumbling about it. There was another 5 year boy who came with his mom regularly, I stopped him one day and told him to go ask the lady for mama baba. She never pulled it out in public again!

 

[kaylagrl]

Years ago when I was rehabbing a knee injury we had this woman with a 5 year old daughter who drank from the breast as if it were a water fountain. Seriously, if the kid was thirsty all she had to say was "mama baba" and out it came. This went on for some time and patients started mumbling about it. There was another 5 year boy who came with his mom regularly, I stopped him one day and told him to go ask the lady for mama baba. She never pulled it out in public again!

That is hilarious!

 

[MarcR]

The world has not the Holy Spirit, nor do they know Him, neither can they receive Him. Therefore men of God who have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them are needed to speak the words of God and call all men to repentance.

John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Romans 10:15
And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

I think the key here is the word receive. The world cannot receive the Holy Spirit; because, one must come to faith before the Holy Spirit can indwell.

I believe that the Holy Spirit's ministry of reproof to the World is from without; and the Holy Spirit's ministry of comfort and instruction to believers is from within.

 

[skylove7]

Forgive me I'm curious....but uh...nearly 48 hours of this thread. I wonder....how many plans,... has the nipple concocted for escape?
Oh I apologize good people! I couldn't help that.

 

[MarcR]

The world has not the Holy Spirit, nor do they know Him, neither can they receive Him. Therefore men of God who have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them are needed to speak the words of God and call all men to repentance.

John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Romans 10:15
And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

We must indeed preach the message that sin separates all people from God and from Spiritual life.

We must persuade all who will listen of their need to acknowledge Jesus as Lord and to accept God's provision for their sin and their redemption.

As we witness to this Truth, it is the role of the Holy Spirit to bring reproof, conviction, and faith.

It is sin (the attitude of rebellion) that must be addressed; NOT BEHAVIOR.

 

[MarcR]

Forgive me I'm curious....but uh...nearly 48 hours of this thread. I wonder....how many plans,... has the nipple concocted for escape?
Oh I apologize good people! I couldn't help that.

Hi Skylove,

Humor is a good thing. It should not be a substitute for thinking; but I never see that from you.

I appreciate you and your contribution to the forum!

 

[just-me]

Forgive me I'm curious....but uh...nearly 48 hours of this thread. I wonder....how many plans,... has the nipple concocted for escape?
Oh I apologize good people! I couldn't help that.

One plan. Teach the women in the community and the church not to expose themselves. Simple, but of course this is intriguing to the fleshly nature, and that's why it continues even amongst Christians. To me a thread such as this is repulsive.

Ephesians 5:3-7
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I think the key here is the word receive. The world cannot receive the Holy Spirit; because, one must come to faith before the Holy Spirit can indwell.

I believe that the Holy Spirit's ministry of reproof to the World is from without; and the Holy Spirit's ministry of comfort and instruction to believers is from within.

Yes but your first response to me was it is the Holy Spirits role to reprove the world of sin, not ours. But my point was,(as I showed by scripture) how can the Holy Spirit reprove the world of sin if the world does not know Him, nor hear Him, nor can they receive Him?

The Holy Spirit is sent to us to speak the words of God to an unbelieving world. The Holy Spirit needs a mouth to speak, so in truth it is our part to reprove the world of sin by the Holy Spirit. That was my point.

Isaiah 59:21
As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever.

Luke 21:15
For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.