Is it really a sin for women to wear pants, men to wear a dress?
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It is my understanding God forbids women to dress as a man.
Mens shoes, mens slacks, mens jackets. This is giving the impression
of being a man. If she is, we know more than likely labeled as lesbian.
The lesbians are becoming more obvious by their clothing and hair cut
like a man.
The men who dress as a woman is cross dressing. Put a wig on him,
make up, high heeled shoes, and you have a cross dresser posing as
a woman. Does that make him a homosexual ? I suppose not, but
it does not please God if a man is doing as I describe.
The Bible does speak of days of old and we know men did wear robes.
Women, well, it was not a question if it was a sin, it was necessary.
I prefer slacks to dresses since I do not work in public anymore. Skirts
or dress for Church. But if the Church allows dress slacks, as long as
they are neat and proper fitting, I see nothing wrong. I do think some
women should wear pants, because their dresses are too short and
certainly catches the eye of the men.
I think it comes down to proper and neat fitting clothing that is appropriate
to the male or female. God just wants us to love and worship Him first and
foremost.
Mens shoes, mens slacks, mens jackets. This is giving the impression
of being a man. If she is, we know more than likely labeled as lesbian.
The lesbians are becoming more obvious by their clothing and hair cut
like a man.
The men who dress as a woman is cross dressing. Put a wig on him,
make up, high heeled shoes, and you have a cross dresser posing as
a woman. Does that make him a homosexual ? I suppose not, but
it does not please God if a man is doing as I describe.
The Bible does speak of days of old and we know men did wear robes.
Women, well, it was not a question if it was a sin, it was necessary.
I prefer slacks to dresses since I do not work in public anymore. Skirts
or dress for Church. But if the Church allows dress slacks, as long as
they are neat and proper fitting, I see nothing wrong. I do think some
women should wear pants, because their dresses are too short and
certainly catches the eye of the men.
I think it comes down to proper and neat fitting clothing that is appropriate
to the male or female. God just wants us to love and worship Him first and
foremost.
i know
but this says:
Deuteronomy 22:5
A woman shall not wear a man’s apparel1, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment2; for whoever does such things is abhorrent to the Lord your God.
1
keli: an article, utensil, vessel
Original Word: כְּלִי
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: keli
Phonetic Spelling: (kel-ee')
Short Definition: utensils
Word Origin
from kalah
Definition
an article, utensil, vessel
NASB Translation
armor (24), armory* (1), article (10), articles (30), bag (2), baggage (12), bags (2), basket (1), bowls* (1), cargo (1), clothing (1), earthenware* (1), equipment (6), everything* (1), furnishings (10), furniture (4), gear (1), goods (6), implements (2), instruments (14), items (1), jar (2), jars (1), jars* (1), jewels (3), jewels* (1), object (3), pots (1), pottery (1), sack (1), something* (1), thing (5), things (3), tool (1), utensils (66), vessel (28), vessels (37), vessels of kinds (1), water (1), weapon (5), weapons (22), weapons of and equipment (1), yokes (1).
2
simlah: a wrapper, mantle
Original Word: שִׂמְלָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: simlah
Phonetic Spelling: (sim-law')
Short Definition: clothes
Word Origin
from an unused word
Definition
a wrapper, mantle
NASB Translation
cloak (4), cloth (1), clothes (9), clothing (5), garment (5), garments (5).
wrapper, mantle (of man or [Ruth 3:3 +] woman), usually square piece of cloth worn as outer garment
...
??
i dunno.
but this says:
Deuteronomy 22:5
A woman shall not wear a man’s apparel1, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment2; for whoever does such things is abhorrent to the Lord your God.
1
keli: an article, utensil, vessel
Original Word: כְּלִי
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: keli
Phonetic Spelling: (kel-ee')
Short Definition: utensils
Word Origin
from kalah
Definition
an article, utensil, vessel
NASB Translation
armor (24), armory* (1), article (10), articles (30), bag (2), baggage (12), bags (2), basket (1), bowls* (1), cargo (1), clothing (1), earthenware* (1), equipment (6), everything* (1), furnishings (10), furniture (4), gear (1), goods (6), implements (2), instruments (14), items (1), jar (2), jars (1), jars* (1), jewels (3), jewels* (1), object (3), pots (1), pottery (1), sack (1), something* (1), thing (5), things (3), tool (1), utensils (66), vessel (28), vessels (37), vessels of kinds (1), water (1), weapon (5), weapons (22), weapons of and equipment (1), yokes (1).
2
simlah: a wrapper, mantle
Original Word: שִׂמְלָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: simlah
Phonetic Spelling: (sim-law')
Short Definition: clothes
Word Origin
from an unused word
Definition
a wrapper, mantle
NASB Translation
cloak (4), cloth (1), clothes (9), clothing (5), garment (5), garments (5).
wrapper, mantle (of man or [Ruth 3:3 +] woman), usually square piece of cloth worn as outer garment
...
??
i dunno.
i know
but this says:
Deuteronomy 22:5
A woman shall not wear a man’s apparel1, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment2; for whoever does such things is abhorrent to the Lord your God.
1
keli: an article, utensil, vessel
Original Word: כְּלִי
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: keli
Phonetic Spelling: (kel-ee')
Short Definition: utensils
Word Origin
from kalah
Definition
an article, utensil, vessel
NASB Translation
armor (24), armory* (1), article (10), articles (30), bag (2), baggage (12), bags (2), basket (1), bowls* (1), cargo (1), clothing (1), earthenware* (1), equipment (6), everything* (1), furnishings (10), furniture (4), gear (1), goods (6), implements (2), instruments (14), items (1), jar (2), jars (1), jars* (1), jewels (3), jewels* (1), object (3), pots (1), pottery (1), sack (1), something* (1), thing (5), things (3), tool (1), utensils (66), vessel (28), vessels (37), vessels of kinds (1), water (1), weapon (5), weapons (22), weapons of and equipment (1), yokes (1).
2
simlah: a wrapper, mantle
Original Word: שִׂמְלָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: simlah
Phonetic Spelling: (sim-law')
Short Definition: clothes
Word Origin
from an unused word
Definition
a wrapper, mantle
NASB Translation
cloak (4), cloth (1), clothes (9), clothing (5), garment (5), garments (5).
wrapper, mantle (of man or [Ruth 3:3 +] woman), usually square piece of cloth worn as outer garment
...
??
i dunno.
but this says:
Deuteronomy 22:5
A woman shall not wear a man’s apparel1, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment2; for whoever does such things is abhorrent to the Lord your God.
1
keli: an article, utensil, vessel
Original Word: כְּלִי
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: keli
Phonetic Spelling: (kel-ee')
Short Definition: utensils
Word Origin
from kalah
Definition
an article, utensil, vessel
NASB Translation
armor (24), armory* (1), article (10), articles (30), bag (2), baggage (12), bags (2), basket (1), bowls* (1), cargo (1), clothing (1), earthenware* (1), equipment (6), everything* (1), furnishings (10), furniture (4), gear (1), goods (6), implements (2), instruments (14), items (1), jar (2), jars (1), jars* (1), jewels (3), jewels* (1), object (3), pots (1), pottery (1), sack (1), something* (1), thing (5), things (3), tool (1), utensils (66), vessel (28), vessels (37), vessels of kinds (1), water (1), weapon (5), weapons (22), weapons of and equipment (1), yokes (1).
2
simlah: a wrapper, mantle
Original Word: שִׂמְלָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: simlah
Phonetic Spelling: (sim-law')
Short Definition: clothes
Word Origin
from an unused word
Definition
a wrapper, mantle
NASB Translation
cloak (4), cloth (1), clothes (9), clothing (5), garment (5), garments (5).
wrapper, mantle (of man or [Ruth 3:3 +] woman), usually square piece of cloth worn as outer garment
...
??
i dunno.
So it could be argued that the passage is talking about a woman not donning the 'covering (in perspective sense)' of a man. Not putting on the character of a man.
Here:
Isiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Their webs (that which they 'fashion for themselves' out of deceit (spider symbolic of deceit) shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.
Also, for instance, the 'tearing of garments' referring to changing one's character. Donning new 'clothes'.
Though I dispute the exact translations in that particular passage but the message is somewhat the same I think.
okay...i think you're reaching a bit.
but that's cool.
can i keep my pink pants?
but that's cool.
can i keep my pink pants?
But yes, you can keep your pink pants lol.
B
This thread has made me become extremely confused. Pink pant's, ugg boots, women wearing pant's is a sin, male hatred. I believe that it is not a sin for women to wear pant's. I went to a church before and the pastor used to preach barefoot in shorts and a t-shirt. When the pastor of this church did have shoes on he wore flip flops all summer. It is not a sin for women to wear pant's. It is also not a sin if a man does not wear a suit to church.
learn from the Holy Spirit. the reason behind Him stating such a law, when you get the reason you will know what to wear.
from what i understand is that, a woman should be decent, whatever she wears should indeed show that she is a decent woman, that respects herself. nothing tempting, or showing. the very meaning behind CLOTHING should be looked at, and that is COVERING UP,
what happened when Adam and Eve ate the apple? they saw that they were naked, and they ran from the face of GOD, one of the reasons they said..
Gen 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
Then we know the reason behind having clothed bathrooms, or toilets.lol. nothing to show.
Now GOD did the following
Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them
now the word of GOD does not tell us how He clothed, but seeing that THEY KNEW they were naked, and that they HID from GOD, i believe its reasonable to say that, the LORD gave unto them the Appropriate Clothing with "respect" to their gender.
thats why the book of exodus speak of that verse of men not wearing womens' clothing and vice versa.
i mean why cross dress in the first place?. When you find the reason for doing this, you will get to understand if its a sin or not
from what i understand is that, a woman should be decent, whatever she wears should indeed show that she is a decent woman, that respects herself. nothing tempting, or showing. the very meaning behind CLOTHING should be looked at, and that is COVERING UP,
what happened when Adam and Eve ate the apple? they saw that they were naked, and they ran from the face of GOD, one of the reasons they said..
Gen 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
Then we know the reason behind having clothed bathrooms, or toilets.lol. nothing to show.
Now GOD did the following
Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them
now the word of GOD does not tell us how He clothed, but seeing that THEY KNEW they were naked, and that they HID from GOD, i believe its reasonable to say that, the LORD gave unto them the Appropriate Clothing with "respect" to their gender.
thats why the book of exodus speak of that verse of men not wearing womens' clothing and vice versa.
i mean why cross dress in the first place?. When you find the reason for doing this, you will get to understand if its a sin or not
For my own comments here. This scripture has been unfortunately butchered. Because the attire that men and women wore then were not far off from each other with over all daily clothes. There were no real pants or dresses except what harlot would adorn themselves in.
If you do a little deeper search into the hebrew in it, you'll find that what it is talking about is that a woman will not wear battle armor. For it not permitted for a woman to fight in battle.
And then of course it was an abomination for a man to dress up as a woman, which would entail alot.
Someone may have stated all this already, I didn't go through all the post pages to see.
If not, I hope this helped. Blessings
If you do a little deeper search into the hebrew in it, you'll find that what it is talking about is that a woman will not wear battle armor. For it not permitted for a woman to fight in battle.
And then of course it was an abomination for a man to dress up as a woman, which would entail alot.
Someone may have stated all this already, I didn't go through all the post pages to see.
If not, I hope this helped. Blessings
This is probably the only post I will make to this thread.
I would like to speak to the spirit of the matter, if I may.
I think what jinx has seen is the tokens of respect that we maintain. Respect not so much male toward female or the reverse.
Respect for the authority of God which the masculine gender (nothing to do with sex) in the grammar of our languages is always used to represent. And the feminine gender (again, nothing to do with sex) is used in the Bibles grammar to denote willing submission to God as the authority over us.
So how can I say that this has nothing to do with sex? Because in the scriptures there are many times where woman are spoken of in the masculine grammatical gender role and where men are spoken of in the feminine gender role, depending solely upon whether they are acting with God's authority (masculine) or being submissive to God's authority (feminine).
Likewise a woman was said to pray with her head bowed down and to pray as a man with his head upright a shame. For she was the constant reminder to all that we need to be humble and submissive, never questioning God's authority over us nor are we to be critical the authority of those he appoints over us, when it is clear that he has appointed them.
Another way we see this respect for God as our head shown is that a man was to pray with his head upright and his face toward the heavens but to bow his head when praying was a shame. This denoted that a man charged with taking the lead in administering God's authority would do so only as the light shone to his face of God and never of himself. And the man was the constant reminder to all that we need to be humble and submissive, never questioning God's authority over us and always looking carefully to God as we exercise the authority he appoints to us over others.
These things are but customs (not laws) which act as reminders to not only our own spirit, but also to the spirit of all who in looking on understand, to keep our spirit holy and relegated humble under God.
However, if they are not done with a true spirit to what they represent, then they are but vain traditions. They must be done with understanding and agreement with the respect which they show for God's authority over us all.
That is all those things are as this thread discusses, also. Traditions as expressions of respect for God's authority. But this is really for each individual's conscience to decide for their self, so long as they respect God's authority in their day to day life.
I would like to speak to the spirit of the matter, if I may.
I think what jinx has seen is the tokens of respect that we maintain. Respect not so much male toward female or the reverse.
Respect for the authority of God which the masculine gender (nothing to do with sex) in the grammar of our languages is always used to represent. And the feminine gender (again, nothing to do with sex) is used in the Bibles grammar to denote willing submission to God as the authority over us.
So how can I say that this has nothing to do with sex? Because in the scriptures there are many times where woman are spoken of in the masculine grammatical gender role and where men are spoken of in the feminine gender role, depending solely upon whether they are acting with God's authority (masculine) or being submissive to God's authority (feminine).
Likewise a woman was said to pray with her head bowed down and to pray as a man with his head upright a shame. For she was the constant reminder to all that we need to be humble and submissive, never questioning God's authority over us nor are we to be critical the authority of those he appoints over us, when it is clear that he has appointed them.
Another way we see this respect for God as our head shown is that a man was to pray with his head upright and his face toward the heavens but to bow his head when praying was a shame. This denoted that a man charged with taking the lead in administering God's authority would do so only as the light shone to his face of God and never of himself. And the man was the constant reminder to all that we need to be humble and submissive, never questioning God's authority over us and always looking carefully to God as we exercise the authority he appoints to us over others.
These things are but customs (not laws) which act as reminders to not only our own spirit, but also to the spirit of all who in looking on understand, to keep our spirit holy and relegated humble under God.
However, if they are not done with a true spirit to what they represent, then they are but vain traditions. They must be done with understanding and agreement with the respect which they show for God's authority over us all.
That is all those things are as this thread discusses, also. Traditions as expressions of respect for God's authority. But this is really for each individual's conscience to decide for their self, so long as they respect God's authority in their day to day life.
I too find this odd everyone interprets this as they want and others just say it has been done away with. A man should not put on what is made for a women and a women should not put on anything that was made for a man. Women are to be in the roll made for them and men in the roll made for them. When we let gender lines be confused it harms the up coming generation. All God's Law have a reason behind them. If we do not follow then we do so at great risk for the next generation. I have talk to many teens that are now gender confused. Some girls even think that if they can see beauty in another women they might be gay. There are to many people with their own agenda willing to help these pour confused children try out a homosexual encounter to see how it makes them feel. Every line we cross off in Gods word hurts every generation until we repent and turn back to God's ways wake up America and the world.
That is very well for you to see that.
The question is who we ought to apply it to and how we ought to apply it, to ourselves or to others, as an expression which has great meaning because it is a voluntary respect delivered toward God with rejoicing from one's conscience, or like it is a law?
Which way do you think God would most smile upon?
If we teach it wrongly to others like as it is a law, that is how they will apply and teach it to yet others. God loves a cheerful giver, a heart that rejoices to praise him.
The question is who we ought to apply it to and how we ought to apply it, to ourselves or to others, as an expression which has great meaning because it is a voluntary respect delivered toward God with rejoicing from one's conscience, or like it is a law?
Which way do you think God would most smile upon?
If we teach it wrongly to others like as it is a law, that is how they will apply and teach it to yet others. God loves a cheerful giver, a heart that rejoices to praise him.
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