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NRD, Heh, I don't need instruction about spiritual age, nor does what a person 'lists' themselves as mean much to me on computer chat sites.
If you can't see through this particular OP users game, oh well.

As far as your ACCUSATION of jumping on people...not sure who or what you're referring to, if you care to be specific, ok, but staying on point here, this user posted all this same nonsense before in other threads he's started, and the points have been addressed repeatedly, it's just a childish game for some of these ppl.....

And if you read his OP/title/threads, it's believers and our churches that keep getting jumped on by him and those like him on this site. If you want to defend that, go ahead.
Villify or Edify. Let brotherly love continue.
 
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In my original post, I did not leave out the possibility that the OP was in error or that they were trolling.

The spiritual age thing wasn't for instruction. Did you not see the :p? heh

I have not read this user's other posts, and if that is the case then my apologies. I was simply referring to the content of the OP and not what the author has stated before.

Jumping on people would refer to any other post lately where people just run in and condemn someone for posting something different just because they believe differently. I don't want this thread to become one of those debate threads though. It just becomes tiresome to continue seeing it happen.

I do not defend trolls, thanks. I also do not defend the tone some people use to address people, trolls or otherwise :p.
 
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Jehovah's witnesses would fall under this category,for they do not honor Jesus for who He is,and do not believe His dead body arose.

The Catholics talk of limbo,and it appears as if the Jehovah's witnesses are stuck in limbo,between the Old Testament,and the New Testament,for while they believe the New,they do not accept it all the way,and do not make the transition to eternal life.

Jesus said we will be His witnesses,and Jehovah in the Old Testament said He would reveal a new name to the Hebrews,and speak to them(Isaiah 52:6),which Jesus said He came in the Father's name,the Son inherited the name from the Father,and the Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

Jesus is Jehovah,and we are Jesus' witnesses,but the Jehovah's witnesses are stuck between the Old,and the New,and do not make the transition to Jesus.

The new age movement would definitely fall under this category,as well as Scientology,and anybody like them.
 
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Why is it that when anyone has a post regarding conduct and rightly dividing the word, they are jumped on as:
1) works driven
2) twisting
3) bad-news gospel bearing
4) attacking grace and love

It seems that there is a mob based attack on anything that speaks to our need to walk rightly in the sight of God and it happens here quite frequently. Let's take a step back and analyze what the post says first before passing judgment ourselves.

Regarding the OP, yes, the bible specifically says that before the end there will be a great apostasy (people leaving the faith), and that people will heap up teachers to ease their itching ears. There will be every wind of doctrine and people will flock to that instead of the doctrine/s that God gives us in 66 books. The love of many will wax cold meaning that the desire to bring forth God's truth to a lost and dying world and even standing for His truth amidst the intrusions by the world to affect change in the church will begin to lessen in the end times (compromise with the world). And to these churches.... I'd say it would be spiritually beneficial and healthy to find a new church.

The OP may be simply a post of condemnation to throw us down. However, every scripture that God gives us is good. If there are warnings in the bible, it is good for God's children to heed these warning to ensure that it will be well with us. Instead of taking this as a post of condemnation, let's examine it to see if it is a reminder as to what God has shown us in His word.

Let us not forget that giving truth is part of the gospel of Love.
Let us not forget that giving correction in truth is part of the gospel of Love.
Let us not forget that rebuking one another for His truth is part of the gospel of Love.

God's agape love is something that we understand is an action. We give each other what we spiritually need with no thought of reciprocity. Sometimes what we spiritually need doesn't feel good because it pinpoints strongholds of sin and error that remain in our flesh. Paul wrote 1 Corinthians which was a scathing letter of rebuke to the churches at Corinth, pinpointing what was going on in that church and telling them to stop. It was a letter of correction that was very fiery and strong because it was addressing the sin that was running rampant in this church of born again believers. In 2nd Corinthians, Paul wrote:

2 Corinthians 7:8-12 NKJV
8 For even if I made you sorry with my letter, I do not regret it; though I did regret it. For I perceive that the same epistle made you sorry, though only for a while. 9 Now I rejoice, not that you were made sorry, but that your sorrow led to repentance. For you were made sorry in a godly manner, that you might suffer loss from us in nothing. 10 For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death. 11 For observe this very thing, that you sorrowed in a godly manner: What diligence it produced in you, what clearing of yourselves, what indignation, what fear, whatvehement desire, what zeal, what vindication! In all things you proved yourselves to be clear in this matter. 12 Therefore, although I wrote to you, I did not do it for the sake of him who had done the wrong, nor for the sake of him who suffered wrong, but that our care for you in the sight of God might appear to you.

I would say that at first glance, the first letter was very strong and very pointed.... and many people in the church today would say that what Paul wrote at times wasn't very loving... but they look at love in the wrong way. Remember love isn't about making people feel good all the time but giving them what they spiritually need! Paul states here that he did not regret that he made them sorry with the epistle because it brought about godly sorrow that produced repentance leading to salvation for this group of born again believers. Is this not a very important aspect of love?

When I read the OP I don't automatically assume condemnation but am reminded that God does warn His children and it's good for His children to heed His words. Now, I'm not going to say the OP author is a prophet, but we do have to realize that God's prophets today serve the same function as they did in the OT. God's prophets warn His people regarding sin and error and to return to the living God. Most of God's prophets aren't self proclaimed, this is just a reminder.

So when we see posts that speak about conduct, warning, watching out, examining ourselves, etc... Can we not just jump on the individual and automatically ostracize them with posts condemning them? Let's take a step back and mull over what the author of the post said and then give a response. Perhaps someone needs to read that particular post as it addresses something or some situation that is prevalent in their lives. Perhaps the post speaks to an overwhelming issue in the Church that runs counter to 2000 years of tradition in error or very deep held doctrines that may be in error.
You said it better than I could. It needed to be said, but not many people will accept what you said. And yes I am a prophet.
 
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You said it better than I could. It needed to be said, but not many people will accept what you said. And yes I am a prophet.

Quote " And yes I am a prophet."


Just remember the punishment for a prophet that gets it wrong...you better be certain.

 
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Quote " And yes I am a prophet."


Just remember the punishment for a prophet that gets it wrong...you better be certain.

Jesus Christ my Lord and God has been personally teaching me for over forty years. Jesus has called me out by my name, and I have seen Jesus Christ. Jesus is with me at all times, and he tells me everything I am to do.
 

p_rehbein

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Do you believe yourself to be John the Baptist come back from the dead?

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When saved:At birth
 

Blain

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The title of the thread is your church condemned.... I think your asking the wrong question
 
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ember

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Jesus Christ my Lord and God has been personally teaching me for over forty years. Jesus has called me out by my name, and I have seen Jesus Christ. Jesus is with me at all times, and he tells me everything I am to do.

that is not Jesus

God sent the Holy Spirit because Jesus is now seated in heaven

you may be hearing or being directed by something, but it is not Jesus and not the Holy Spirit either

quack

don't bother cursing me...it might come back on you ... an undeserved curse does not come to rest
 
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Do you believe yourself to be John the Baptist come back from the dead?

About Johnlove

Gender:male


Marital Status:not married

Spiritual Status:Christian

When saved:At birth
Saved only means one will not go to Hell. It does not mean one will go to heaven.

I was in my late thirties before Jesus gave me his Holy Spirit. Then Jesus began to call me into his ministry.

I was a Catholic for the first forty years of my life. A Catholic that went to Mass and communion every day. I was a co-instructor in adult Catholic information classes for a number of years.
At age forty I accepted Jesus’ call into his ministry and when asking Jesus what seminary would accept me, Jesus told me “No! Do not read about me. I will teach you about me.”
It was not long before I began seeing that the Church was not teaching what Jesus/Apostles taught. I asked Jesus how to stay submitted to a church that was not teaching what he taught. Jesus told me to cooperate with, not to fight, but I was no longer to be under the churches headship. After forty years of doing my best to help the church, Jesus has told me to tell the church that it is not teaching the truth.

That means not only the Catholic Church, but no church is teaching the truth.
 

Blain

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John you claim to be a prophet yes? You claim to have met Jesus correct? I have also met him face to face as well as father so if you speak the truth in that then that is great but as for you being a prophet we will see. Something you should know about me is I can read people I have a great deal of discernment especially when it comes to those who call themselves prophets. I have met many who claimed to be prophets but were not.

I hope you understand what a prophet is, a prophet is the lips of God they speak and he is the words they show his heart simply by speaking they show who he is what is nature is what his traits are simply by speaking their hearts. So far from what I have seen in this thread from you I am not impressed and so far you don't show any sign or fruit of a prophet.
 
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that is not Jesus

God sent the Holy Spirit because Jesus is now seated in heaven

you may be hearing or being directed by something, but it is not Jesus and not the Holy Spirit either

quack

don't bother cursing me...it might come back on you ... an undeserved curse does not come to rest

So you limit God to be only in one place?


Jesus told us that he would show himself to those who love him, and also make a home in them. How could he do that if he had to stay in heaven?


Also Jesus said he would call out his own by name, and they would follow him. Does Jesus do that all from heaven?


(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.”

(John 10:1-5)"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice."

 
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Saved only means one will not go to Hell. It does not mean one will go to heaven.

I was in my late thirties before Jesus gave me his Holy Spirit. Then Jesus began to call me into his ministry.

I was a Catholic for the first forty years of my life. A Catholic that went to Mass and communion every day. I was a co-instructor in adult Catholic information classes for a number of years.
At age forty I accepted Jesus’ call into his ministry and when asking Jesus what seminary would accept me, Jesus told me “No! Do not read about me. I will teach you about me.”
It was not long before I began seeing that the Church was not teaching what Jesus/Apostles taught. I asked Jesus how to stay submitted to a church that was not teaching what he taught. Jesus told me to cooperate with, not to fight, but I was no longer to be under the churches headship. After forty years of doing my best to help the church, Jesus has told me to tell the church that it is not teaching the truth.

That means not only the Catholic Church, but no church is teaching the truth.
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p_rehbein

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Saved only means one will not go to Hell. It does not mean one will go to heaven.

I was in my late thirties before Jesus gave me his Holy Spirit. Then Jesus began to call me into his ministry.

I was a Catholic for the first forty years of my life. A Catholic that went to Mass and communion every day. I was a co-instructor in adult Catholic information classes for a number of years.
At age forty I accepted Jesus’ call into his ministry and when asking Jesus what seminary would accept me, Jesus told me “No! Do not read about me. I will teach you about me.”
It was not long before I began seeing that the Church was not teaching what Jesus/Apostles taught. I asked Jesus how to stay submitted to a church that was not teaching what he taught. Jesus told me to cooperate with, not to fight, but I was no longer to be under the churches headship. After forty years of doing my best to help the church, Jesus has told me to tell the church that it is not teaching the truth.

That means not only the Catholic Church, but no church is teaching the truth.
First.....let me say I am not being snarky, nor do I intend to be. Much of what you wrote in the OP is Biblical, it was just presented in a very bad way. I will explain that later. And, you are not the only one here to present Biblical Truth in such a negative way.....there are many here that do this by accident or on purpose, and it does not represent the Truth of the Gospel of Christ as Christ Himself taught.

Now, there are only two groups that I am aware of that believe one can be saved at birth. Catholics and the disciples of Calvin. I do not believe either are correct. As for your description of what salvation means, Jesus Himself said there are only TWO options.........Heaven or Hell. The wheat or the chafe. So, based on His teachings, I have to disagree with you.

As for your broad brush condemnation of all churches, that is not from God in my opinion. For I have personally witnessed God - The Holy Spirit moving in wondrous ways in many church congregations, and seen the evidence of His Word being preached and received, lives changed, healed, and forever redeemed.

I do not believe Jesus would tell anyone to not read His Written Word, for He and the Disciples taught the exact opposite. The Apostle Paul himself was anointed by Christ, and Christ revealed Himself and His Gospel to Paul, yet Paul remained a student of the Scriptures for all of his life.

As for there being a church headship...........the Head of the Church is Christ Himself, and only Him. This is how my church believes.

Back to the broad brush condemnation of churches............there are an untold number of church congregations around the world............I do not believe anyone even knows the exact number except for God Himself. There is no way you, I, or any other living human being could possibly know what each and every one of them are teaching. And to suggest that Jesus would tell you that NOT a single one of them is teaching the Truth, is to suggest that Jesus Christ IS NOT powerful enough or Sovereign to assure that His Word/Truth is being taught in His Church. To suggest that EVERY Minister/Pastor/Evangelist anointed by God to teach/preach the Gospel is not doing so is beyond reality. To believe that only you have been revealed the Truth from Christ Himself goes against the very Gospel you say you preach.

Now, as for the OP itself. Your mistake in the OP was the using the wrong pronoun. Go back to the OP and everywhere you find the pronoun "you," change it to "we." Then read the OP and see the difference it makes. As I said, you are not the only person to make this mistake here. It is a daily occurrence.

God, Jesus does not teach through a Spirit of condemnation.........He teaches through the Spirit of Love and undeserved Grace, and He extends this love and grace to ALL MANKIND.

As for "pointing a finger," yes, the Prophets did so, but they were not pointing the finger at God's Church.

As for what you said about what the Church should be teaching.......if those few verses are all you believe are required to be taught, you are excluding 99% of the Gospel of Christ, and you would be in grave error.

Ephesians 4:32 - And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

2 Corinthians 5:18 - And all things [are] of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;


Hebrews 12:14
- Follow peace with all [men], and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

The spirit of condemnation is not the Spirit of reconciliation we are blessed with.

 
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Thank goodness you came along just in time!
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just waiting for instructions.

What, pray tell, is our next mission,
Oh great johnnylover?!
Believe me that is a small amount of all those who Satan has fooled. You know your wise remarks are only showing everyone how little you know about God.
If you knew even a little then you would have scripture to confirm what little you do know.
 
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First.....let me say I am not being snarky, nor do I intend to be. Much of what you wrote in the OP is Biblical, it was just presented in a very bad way. I will explain that later. And, you are not the only one here to present Biblical Truth in such a negative way.....there are many here that do this by accident or on purpose, and it does not represent the Truth of the Gospel of Christ as Christ Himself taught.

Now, there are only two groups that I am aware of that believe one can be saved at birth. Catholics and the disciples of Calvin. I do not believe either are correct. As for your description of what salvation means, Jesus Himself said there are only TWO options.........Heaven or Hell. The wheat or the chafe. So, based on His teachings, I have to disagree with you.

As for your broad brush condemnation of all churches, that is not from God in my opinion. For I have personally witnessed God - The Holy Spirit moving in wondrous ways in many church congregations, and seen the evidence of His Word being preached and received, lives changed, healed, and forever redeemed.

I do not believe Jesus would tell anyone to not read His Written Word, for He and the Disciples taught the exact opposite. The Apostle Paul himself was anointed by Christ, and Christ revealed Himself and His Gospel to Paul, yet Paul remained a student of the Scriptures for all of his life.

As for there being a church headship...........the Head of the Church is Christ Himself, and only Him. This is how my church believes.

Back to the broad brush condemnation of churches............there are an untold number of church congregations around the world............I do not believe anyone even knows the exact number except for God Himself. There is no way you, I, or any other living human being could possibly know what each and every one of them are teaching. And to suggest that Jesus would tell you that NOT a single one of them is teaching the Truth, is to suggest that Jesus Christ IS NOT powerful enough or Sovereign to assure that His Word/Truth is being taught in His Church. To suggest that EVERY Minister/Pastor/Evangelist anointed by God to teach/preach the Gospel is not doing so is beyond reality. To believe that only you have been revealed the Truth from Christ Himself goes against the very Gospel you say you preach.

Now, as for the OP itself. Your mistake in the OP was the using the wrong pronoun. Go back to the OP and everywhere you find the pronoun "you," change it to "we." Then read the OP and see the difference it makes. As I said, you are not the only person to make this mistake here. It is a daily occurrence.

God, Jesus does not teach through a Spirit of condemnation.........He teaches through the Spirit of Love and undeserved Grace, and He extends this love and grace to ALL MANKIND.

As for "pointing a finger," yes, the Prophets did so, but they were not pointing the finger at God's Church.

As for what you said about what the Church should be teaching.......if those few verses are all you believe are required to be taught, you are excluding 99% of the Gospel of Christ, and you would be in grave error.

Ephesians 4:32 - And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

2 Corinthians 5:18 - And all things [are] of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;


Hebrews 12:14
- Follow peace with all [men], and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

The spirit of condemnation is not the Spirit of reconciliation we are blessed with.

Your understanding that there is only two places people will go does not mean saved means one will go to heaven. Also don’t try to tell me how I am giving the word that Jesus has me give. I am doing just what Jesus want me to do, and in the way he wants it done.
You do what you believe is right, but don’t try and tell me what I should do.
 

p_rehbein

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Your understanding that there is only two places people will go does not mean saved means one will go to heaven. Also don’t try to tell me how I am giving the word that Jesus has me give. I am doing just what Jesus want me to do, and in the way he wants it done.
You do what you believe is right, but don’t try and tell me what I should do.
.......and, yet you wish to tell us what we should do?

In all honesty, I believe you have fallen prey to the deceiver himself. He is able to take on the appearance of an angel, and his mission is to create divisions and confusion within the church. Neither God, Christ, or the Holy Spirit will do this. Only the deceiver!

I will leave you to your mission, and I will pray that you actually experience the REAL PRESENCE of the Holy Spirit!
 
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.......and, yet you wish to tell us what we should do?

In all honesty, I believe you have fallen prey to the deceiver himself. He is able to take on the appearance of an angel, and his mission is to create divisions and confusion within the church. Neither God, Christ, or the Holy Spirit will do this. Only the deceiver!

I will leave you to your mission, and I will pray that you actually experience the REAL PRESENCE of the Holy Spirit!
I don’t wish to tell you anything. I am giving a word. You will believe what you want to believe. If you had anything to say that was truth about God then do so with the written Word of God, and not your opinion.
Jesus Christ came in the flesh, and is God. Jesus Christ is my Lord and God and I have seen him, and he has called me out by name, and it is only Jesus Christ our Lord and God whom I follow.
 

John146

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So you limit God to be only in one place?


Jesus told us that he would show himself to those who love him, and also make a home in them. How could he do that if he had to stay in heaven?


Also Jesus said he would call out his own by name, and they would follow him. Does Jesus do that all from heaven?


(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.”

(John 10:1-5)"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice."

Scripture has "limited" Jesus as seated at the right hand of the Father. If the Lord has shown you anything, it came from His written word as the Holy Spirit lead.