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Tintin

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According to you
God the Father and God the Son
are not equal with each other.

Is this correct?
In the heavenly hierarchy, yes. Jesus Christ sits at the right-hand of God the Father.
 
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jaybird88

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Notice... Jesus said...The Lord OUR God.

He included Himself with them.
yes thats how he refers to the Father, its also how most refer to him.
That's because Jesus isn't the Father, but He is God. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit aren't each other, but they're all God. One God expressed in three persons.
where can i find "God the Son" or "God the Holy Spirit" in the bible?
 
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sparkman

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yes thats how he refers to the Father, its also how most refer to him.


where can i find "God the Son" or "God the Holy Spirit" in the bible?
I don't think you will find those exact words, however Scripture clearly teaches the deity of Christ and that the Holy Spirit is God.

Regarding the deity of Christ:

Matt 1:23 Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name “Immanuel” (which means, God with us).

John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made.

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.


John 20:26-28 Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.”. Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.”. Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”.


Romans 9:5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

Philippians 2:5-6 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.


Colossians 2:8-9 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. For in him the whole fullness of the deity dwells bodily



Titus 2:13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ

Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son he says, Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.

II Peter 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:


Regarding the deity of the Holy Spirit, compare the two underlined statements:

Acts 5: 3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satany has so filled your heartz that you have lied to the Holy Spirita and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?b 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal?c What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”d

Regarding proofs, I highly suggest Forgotten Trinity by James White.
 
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Isaiah 35:4) Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you. 5) Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped. 6) Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert.


Isaiah considered Jesus to be God
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Is 48 “Listen to Me, O Jacob,
And Israel, My called:
I am He, I am the First,
I am also the Last.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth,
And My right hand has stretched out the heavens;
When I call to them,
They stand up together. [SUP]14 [/SUP]“All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear!
Who among them has declared these things?
The Lord loves him;
He shall do His pleasure on Babylon,
And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]I, even I, have spoken;
Yes, I have called him,
I have brought him, and his way will prosper.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“Come near to Me, hear this:
I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
From the time that it was, I was there.
And now the Lord God and His Spirit
Have[SUP][a][/SUP] sent Me.”

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer,
The Holy One of Israel:
“I am the Lord your God,
Who teaches you to profit,
Who leads you by the way you should go.

Yes he did, he was the God of Israel. the creator of the universe, and it is by his voice the heavens are layed out. He is also their (and our) redeemer, and was SENT BY THE FATHER.

IE, He was the God of moses, who spoke to himself. who called himself I AM, and as Jesus admitted openly, before abraham was, I am (I existed)
 
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jaybird88

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Regarding the deity of the Holy Spirit, compare the two underlined statements:

Acts 5: 3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satany has so filled your heartz that you have lied to the Holy Spirita and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?b 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal?c What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”d
the way i read it, Holy Spirita and God are the same just different titles used to describe him. the Father, the Almighty, the Creator, the All High, thse are all titles meaning the same, each one does not become an aditional god or part of him.

i will reply to the rest later, i just got home.
 

p_rehbein

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the way i read it, Holy Spirita and God are the same just different titles used to describe him. the Father, the Almighty, the Creator, the All High, thse are all titles meaning the same, each one does not become an aditional god or part of him.

i will reply to the rest later, i just got home.
Yeah, that's what we call an "easy out." (sigh)

Guess when Jesus said "before Abraham was, I am" He was really referring to God the Father and not Himself huh?

Guess when He said that the Holy Spirit "proceeded from God" He meant it was really God coming down and not the Holy Spirit...........

"easy outs" sigh
 

p_rehbein

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yes thats how he refers to the Father, its also how most refer to him.


where can i find "God the Son" or "God the Holy Spirit" in the bible?
Where can you find that the Apostles were water baptized?

Where can you find what the thorn in Paul's flesh was?

Where can you find.............aw, never mind............some folks just don't get it.......or, don't want to
 

p_rehbein

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One could start with reading Isaiah, Chapter 35, vs. 4-6 I suppose though.

Isaiah prophesies of Jesus................AND HE CALLS HIM..........."your God."
 
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sparkman

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I sometimes wonder if people who deny the Trinity do it for attention.

It's pretty plain to understand and is the only way the Scriptures can be reconciled.

1. God is One.
2. The Father is God.
3. The Son is God.
4. The Holy Spirit is God.
5. The Holy Spirit is a Person.
6. These three Persons are distinct.

Get James White's book Forgotten Trinity. It is simply the best laymen level book on the topic.
 
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Jesus using the phrase I AM does not prove he is God. An angel met Moses in the burning bush, the angel actually spoke the words of God from the bush. We would not say God is an angel. Therefore Jesus-who spoke the words of God on this earth cannot be called God himself on the evidence of him using the words I AM
 
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Jesus using the phrase I AM does not prove he is God. An angel met Moses in the burning bush, the angel actually spoke the words of God from the bush. We would not say God is an angel. Therefore Jesus-who spoke the words of God on this earth cannot be called God himself on the evidence of him using the words I AM
That was Malek Yahweh (i.e. what we now know as The Son), not an angel....and He spoke as God, Himself....
 
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Acts7:35 states Moses was sent to lead the Israelites by God himself THROUGH the angel who appeared to him in the bush
 
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That would make The Father of Jesus the God of Jesus.

Is this correct?
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John 20:17
king James version(kjv)

17.)JESUS said unto her,touch me not;for I am not yet ascended to my father:but go to my brethren,and say unto them,I ascend unto my father,and your father;and to my GOD,and your GOD.
 
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sparkman

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Jesus using the phrase I AM does not prove he is God. An angel met Moses in the burning bush, the angel actually spoke the words of God from the bush. We would not say God is an angel. Therefore Jesus-who spoke the words of God on this earth cannot be called God himself on the evidence of him using the words I AM
I AM is the self existent one.

By the way the angel of the Lord is widely considered to be a christophany or theophany.
 
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Jesus is God! The Bible teaches this in First John!
JESUS is/was GOD in the flesh

100% GOD and 100% man

The earth was under the dominion of man.
Somewhere in the bible it says we don't yet see all things on earth under the subjection of man but we see JESUS.

Later JESUS said that all power in heaven and earth is his.
 
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I believe Jesus is God in flesh.
And also in the Spirit.
100% GOD and 100% man

CHRIST was the Messiah and to be in this world legally you have to have a body.
GOD was in CHRIST

GOD who is a Spirit was in the flesh reconciling the world.

Sometimes people feel like it's a put-down when they here GOD was in the flesh.
 
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Acts7:35 states Moses was sent to lead the Israelites by God himself THROUGH the angel who appeared to him in the bush


Here we have scriptural confirmation that the One God who spoke to Moses from the burning bush is actually The Messenger of The Lord, The Second Person of The Trinity, The Son…


Mark 12.26


But concerning the dead, that they are raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, as God spoke to him at the Bush, saying, "I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob"?

Mark 12 informs the reader that that God spoke to Moses from the burning bush.






Acts 7.30 - 39


And forty years being fulfilled to him, The Messenger of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire in a bush in the wilderness of Mount Sinai.And seeing, Moses marveled at the sight. And he coming up to look, a voice of the Lord came to him: "I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob." Ex. 3:6, 15 But becoming trembly, Moses did not dare to look.And the Lord said to him, "Loosen the sandal from your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground. I surely saw the affliction of My people in Egypt, and I have heard their groan, and I came down to pluck them out. And now, come, I will send you to" Egypt. Ex. 3:5, 7, 8a, 10a This Moses, whom they denied, saying, Who appointed you a ruler and a judge, this one God has sent as ruler and redeemer by the hand of the Messenger who appeared to him in the Bush. This one led them out, having worked wonders and miraculous signs in the land of Egypt and in the Red Sea, and forty years in the wilderness. This is the Moses who said to the sons of Israel, " The Lord your God will raise up a Prophet to you" "from your brothers, One like me." You shall hear Him. Deut. 18:15 This is the one who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the Messenger who spoke to him in Mount Sinai, and with our fathers, who received living Words to give to us, to whom our fathers did not desire to be subject, but thrust him away, and turned their hearts back to Egypt,


Acts 7 informs the reader that The Messenger of The Lord appeared and spoke to Moses from the burning bush.


Thus…The Messenger of The Lord is God.