Jesus is God!

[sparkman]

please read my other post which clearly explains why the 3 gods in one does not make sense to me.

No one claims there are three gods in one. That would be a contradiction. One Being in Three Persons. This defines the Trinity. Two separate categories. "One Being" describes what God is, and Three Persons describes who God is.

In our world, there is a one to one correspondence between our physical body and our personality. There is only one person per body. But when we are talking about God, there is one divine essence or being but three Persons. God is different in this manner.

As I said, the Trinity doctrine is the only way all Scriptural assertions about God can be reconciled.

1. There is One God.
2. The Father is God.
3. Jesus Christ is God
4. The Holy Spirit is God.
5. These three are eternally distinct.

Emphatically, there are not three Gods. There is only one God. Your view seems to be the common misrepresentation of the Trinity that Muslims assert.

Read Forgotten Trinity by James White if you are truly seeking a good explanation on this.

Here are two articles as well..one on the Deity of Christ and one on the Trinity.

200 Words: The Deity of Christ | The Cripplegate
200 Words: Why We Believe in the Trinity | The Cripplegate

 

[sparkman]

is there anywhere in the bible that gives more details on "God-Man" or "God the Man"? all i can find close is Nu 23.18 but its the Almighty making it clear He is not a man. maybe i am not reading it right.

This, too, is a common Scripture that Muslims use to claim that Christ could not have been God and Man. It's a silly argument.

In this Scripture, God is saying that he is not wavering like humans are. It is not saying that he could not become a man, as he did in the Incarnation.

Are you sure you are not a Muslim?

 

[sparkman]

Here is a free book in PDF form regarding the deity of Christ by Josh McDowell.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/jmm.us/Books-Downloadable/Jesus+-+A+Biblical+Defense+of+His+Deity.pdf

 

[Bowman]

yes i get confused when man says 3 equals 1 and the bible says there is only one. i posted many things that backs what i am saying yet no one seems to want to explain what i am not seeing. i will re post one and you can explain it to me

3 Persons; 1 Being.

It really is a simple Biblical concept to grasp...don't beat yourself up fighting a strawman...

if Jesus and the Father were the same what would be the point of the temptation? why would the Father need to be tested? the Almighty does not need a refresher course.

The Son and The Father are the same One God.

Each is not the other....but each is the One God.

Look at my avatar...

 

[Bowman]

Study up...

Here we have your belief God himself is an angel based on the belief Christ sting I am ok roves ge is God himself. Even the jws don't go that far

Replying to bowman

I already amply proved my point by showing the full context of your acts 7 example.

Your reply?

Zero.

No surprise.

Ignoring scripture won't make it go away....and it supports my position...NOT yours.

The meaning of Malek is determined by context....

 

[Bowman]

is there anywhere in the bible that gives more details on "God-Man" or "God the Man"? all i can find close is Nu 23.18 but its the Almighty making it clear He is not a man. maybe i am not reading it right.

Your example is the quintessential assertion of a follower is islam.

The OT is full of examples of God being in the form of man.

This was one of the most common ways to communicate with His creation.

You people are jaded to think that all communication with God was from a voice from the sky or through ESP...

 

[posthuman]

what makes people decide to add dimensions when what they're trying to measure isn't distance?

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[jaybird88]

No one claims there are three gods in one. That would be a contradiction. One Being in Three Persons. This defines the Trinity. Two separate categories. "One Being" describes what God is, and Three Persons describes who God is.

In our world, there is a one to one correspondence between our physical body and our personality. There is only one person per body. But when we are talking about God, there is one divine essence or being but three Persons. God is different in this manner.

As I said, the Trinity doctrine is the only way all Scriptural assertions about God can be reconciled.

1. There is One God.
2. The Father is God.
3. Jesus Christ is God
4. The Holy Spirit is God.
5. These three are eternally distinct.

its ether 3 gods or 1. so if its 1 and not 3 then this would mean it was God the Father all along and there was never Jesus the Son.
one God made of 3 persons/beings- for this to work you have to reduce the Lord Almighty Himself to a lesser being/person as he is one of the 3 that make the 1.

This, too, is a common Scripture that Muslims use to claim that Christ could not have been God and Man. It's a silly argument.

In this Scripture, God is saying that he is not wavering like humans are. It is not saying that he could not become a man, as he did in the Incarnation.

i was not using this to prove an argument. I was only saying the the only place about the Father being a man which the Father says He is not.

Are you sure you are not a Muslim?

im not a muslim. would the truth not remain the truth regardless if i was a muslim.

 

[atwhatcost]

​Why do Christians not believe this which is written of the deity of Jesus?

Why are you pulling up post from years ago, especially since everyone was agreeing?

 

[Bowman]

i was not using this to prove an argument. I was only saying the the only place about the Father being a man which the Father says He is not.

Yahweh is a Man of war; Yahweh is His name. (Exo 15.3)

 

[p_rehbein]

its ether 3 gods or 1. so if its 1 and not 3 then this would mean it was God the Father all along and there was never Jesus the Son.
one God made of 3 persons/beings- for this to work you have to reduce the Lord Almighty Himself to a lesser being/person as he is one of the 3 that make the 1.



i was not using this to prove an argument. I was only saying the the only place about the Father being a man which the Father says He is not.



im not a muslim. would the truth not remain the truth regardless if i was a muslim.

What's sad is, I actually decided to believe you were serious, and to respond with relative information. You said you were serious, and not a troll, and yet, the more of your comments I read...........well.............

So, go ahead and tell me how I'm being snarky or childish, but I do not believe you are doing anything more than what is incessant on this Forum currently. Denying the Deity of Christ and the existence of the Holy Trinity.

Please just go away...............

 

[jaybird88]

Acts 7.30 - 39


Acts 7 informs the reader that The Messenger of The Lord appeared and spoke to Moses from the burning bush.

Thus…The Messenger of The Lord is God.

this makes no sense if the Lords messenger was the Lord, why insert messenger in the passage in the first place?

Hebrews 1:2-3
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, [SUP]2 [/SUP]but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

this would make no sense had it been Jesus speaking to them all along

 

[posthuman]

this makes no sense if the Lords messenger was the Lord, why insert messenger in the passage in the first place?

Hebrews 1:2-3
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, [SUP]2 [/SUP]but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

this would make no sense had it been Jesus speaking to them all along

if i post something to you here on the forum,
and i also send you an IM through some service,
and then i skype with you,
and i email you,
and i call you on the phone and talk,
and i send a text to you with a phone,
and we chat through a game via xbox or ps4 or something,
and i send you a letter in the mail,
and we also meet at the grocer and speak face to face --

am i nine different people because you've heard from me in 9 different guises?

 

[p_rehbein]

if i post something to you here on the forum,
and i also send you an IM through some service,
and then i skype with you,
and i email you,
and i call you on the phone and talk,
and i send a text to you with a phone,
and we chat through a game via xbox or ps4 or something,
and i send you a letter in the mail,
and we also meet at the grocer and speak face to face --

am i nine different people because you've heard from me in 9 different guises?

Wasting time Brother..............there is an agenda in play here.........reminds me of Mac Davis's hit song.......

"Oh the games people play now........."

 

[Bowman]

this makes no sense if the Lords messenger was the Lord, why insert messenger in the passage in the first place?

The burning bush event occurred in the OT, and is recorded in Hebrew, thus, we must consult the Hebrew to see what went down.

When we look at the OT, we see The Triune God revealed in the burning bush event.

These are the critical details that you miss when you fail to study scripture...

Hebrews 1:2-3
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, [SUP]2 [/SUP]but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

this would make no sense had it been Jesus speaking to them all along

If only you knew your scripture.

The book of Hebrews is named as such because the material contained in it comes from OT Hebrew!

Come on.

Further, even in the Greek, Heb 1.1 declares that God revealed Himself in various forms - thus, another accurate account for His Triune Being.

It is only in the NT that Malek Yahweh is known as The Son.


A perfect fit.

 

[jaybird88]

if i post something to you here on the forum,
and i also send you an IM through some service,
and then i skype with you,
and i email you,
and i call you on the phone and talk,
and i send a text to you with a phone,
and we chat through a game via xbox or ps4 or something,
and i send you a letter in the mail,
and we also meet at the grocer and speak face to face --

am i nine different people because you've heard from me in 9 different guises?

i would say its you and only you and no one else. not 9 versions of you, not you in 9 beings, just you.

 

[jaybird88]

The burning bush event occurred in the OT, and is recorded in Hebrew, thus, we must consult the Hebrew to see what went down.

When we look at the OT, we see The Triune God revealed in the burning bush event.

These are the critical details that you miss when you fail to study scripture...

so was this a messenger or not a messenger?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Jesus using the phrase I AM does not prove he is God. An angel met Moses in the burning bush, the angel actually spoke the words of God from the bush. We would not say God is an angel. Therefore Jesus-who spoke the words of God on this earth cannot be called God himself on the evidence of him using the words I AM

GOD was in CHRIST reconciling the world.
No one has seen GOD.
GOD is a Spirit
You can't perceive GOD with your five senses.Faith pleases GOD.
You will not believe it if you can't see it if you try to use human reasoning.

 

[Bowman]

so was this a messenger or not a messenger?

'Malek' literally means messenger....and when coupled to Yahweh, in the numerous OT examples, it refers to God, Himself.

Even in the NT, Jesus is referred to as a Messenger, amongst numerous other epithets.

 

[michael56]

GOD was in CHRIST reconciling the world.
No one has seen GOD.
GOD is a Spirit
You can't perceive GOD with your five senses.Faith pleases GOD.
You will not believe it if you can't see it if you try to use human reasoning.

Human reasoning and logic are indeed stumbling blocks to spiritual understanding