John the baptist....Sinner?NONSINNER?

Isdaniel · Nov 11, 2013

God knows the good and the bad people hmmmmmmmm

Job 12

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Behold, he withholdeth the waters, and they dry up: also he sendeth them out, and they overturn the earth.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]With him is strength and wisdom: the deceived and the deceiver are his.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]He leadeth counsellors away spoiled, and maketh the judges fools.

Rockbysea · Nov 11, 2013

God is merciful: “And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.”

It is difficult to understand that God is merciful by that scripture alone. Left by itself it would seem to have the opposite meaning. Which is how many use the scriptures when they want to support their stubborn views. But that scripture shows God’s mercy because this is at the second resurrection. These are all the dead, "great and small" who ever lived from the beginning of creation till the end who were not part of the “elect” of God in the first resurrection. Those in the first resurrection, who were met in the air by those who were alive and changed at Christ coming (1 Thessalonians 4:17), have been alive at this juncture for over 1,000 years (how long over 1,000 years it is not certain by the scripture). Now Christ will judge all of these people at this second resurrection who were not in the first resurrection and there will be many, many who never even heard of the gospel.

And how will Christ judge them? “….the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.” Every soul that has ever lived from the beginning of creation that is not included in the “elect’ of God have their own book kept in heaven by God. Each soul has an individual record of everything they did in their life, all “their works” right down to every single thought and motive of the heart and it is by these works “the things which were written in the books” that Christ the Merciful will judge them.

Now when it says, “And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire”… this does NOT mean everyone at the second resurrection will not be found written in the Book of Life and will all be cast into the lake of fire. There will be many, many found written in the Book of Life and that will be because of what’s written in each one’s book, their works… And not their faith in Christ because many never even heard the gospel, many never heard about Israel and the old covenant…. untold millions of people from all different nations, languages and cultures from remote isolated tribes in South America to great ancient kingdoms from before and after the flood.

Of course works are important if God goes through all the trouble to record the works of each and every soul that ever lived so that by those works He can give mercy or not give mercy. For where there is the Judgement of God there is always mercy. Now will those people at the second resurrection whose names are found written in the Book of Life be there because all the works recorded in their personal records were perfect? Of course not! Then why will they be in the Book of Life? Because the Lamb of God is their just Judge who knows the thoughts and hearts of all men that ever lived and only He alone is able to know all their life’s works, surrounding circumstances and the motives of the heart and from this weigh them with perfect justice. And based upon that He, which only He is able to do because He existed before they were created, will decide to show mercy and not blot them out of His Book of Life. For where there is the Judgement of God there is always mercy because no one is as merciful as God who shows perfect mercy because only He knows the thoughts, motives, the heart and total detail of the surrounding circumstances of every living soul.

So if “works” are necessary for those at the second resurrection who never even heard the gospel in order for them to live, how much more necessary are works for those who have heard the gospel, the good news of the Kingdom of God and its righteousness, who have heard about the suffering of the Lord…. how He was tortured to death so many can live? Do people honestly believe that their works can be less than those who are saved at the second resurrection and still be saved because they took comfort in the faith that Christ was tortured to death on their behalf?

The people who are saved at the second resurrection will marvel when they see all these Christians standing there before God at the second resurrection with all the knowledge they had about Christ and still having a terrible record recorded in their books… a record worse than those who never have even heard the gospel. All this will be the result of these horrible teachings that said they can perpetually sin and their sinful works will be hidden in Christ and counted as righteousness if they have faith that He was tortured to death on their behalf to cover continual sinning. This teaching is evil and shows people how to continuously show contempt for the suffering of Christ… it is a satanic teaching.

Cobus · Nov 11, 2013

It is time to do the post of the SEED of God. I will go to God for assistance, and His wisdom. No need I write it, for it would be my words then. I will pray and ask you to pray with me, that God will help me relate HIS MESSAGE to you.

Idaniel, it is time we lay down our differences. Bookie we should become ONE in this prayer. Rockbysea let us keep the peace in the love we have for eachother. Thecreationest, God said if two or three gather in His Name (in His will) He will be there and give us what we ask....

Come all of us get together and ask God this......

Lord Jesus, we are not one in You. but Lord we all love you in our own way. Lord how can we be one, if You do not SHOW and REVEAL your will for us? Lord how will we EVER see eye to eye if we do not have ONE TEACHER? Lord I BEG you, with all my heart, please reveal to us what it means to have YOUR SEED in us. Lord let us be ONE IN YOU. Then the WORLD will know You are truly in us all. Amen!

I have just asked my Lord Jesus, to do the biggest miricle He has ever done.... To take a few men, and make them PERFECTLY one! That is as feverent as I can go. I am NOT a righteous man, but I am a very Godly Love man. I ask this not because it is my will, but because it is HIS will that all of us will be perfectly one IN HIM. So if you pray and agree with me on this prayer, I believe God will do this for us.

I will ask God for guidence to compile the essay on the SEED OF GOD. I believe He wll give me EXACTLY waht He wants on the essay. God had me type the whole of Psalm 119, without me EVER reading it before,.... one of my greatest experiences. I typed the whole of Psalm 119, even though I NEVER read it even once in my life before....

I was reading through the bible as God said I should. So when I got to Psalm 119, I read up to verse 8. and I had this massive urge to commit my life to God... And I wanted to tell God how I will commit, and how sorry I am of the past, and how I as man CANNOT do it tihout His teaching and guidance, so I started to type all this to God in a word document, om my first laptop... It was about one and a half hours later when I finished, and I typed something so identical to the rest of the 168 verses, that I understood, that both David, and I had the SAME HUNGER FOR GOD'S PRESENCE IN OUR LIVES.... That gave me great hope, and Faith that God's will, will be done in me...

Now I hope God will again lead my heart and fingers to type an essay, so Biblical that you will ALL relate and be fitly joined together FOR HIS GLORY AND WILL....

Isdaniel · Nov 11, 2013

Cobus said:

i think God wanted you to read and meditate on it instead not type it out hmmmmmmmmmmm

Psalm 119

King James Version (KJV)

1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord.
2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
9Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.
10 With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments.
11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

Isdaniel · Nov 11, 2013

Cobus said:

It is time to do the post of the SEED of God. I will go to God for assistance, and His wisdom. No need I write it, for it would be my words then. I will pray and ask you to pray with me, that God will help me relate HIS MESSAGE to you.

Idaniel, it is time we lay down our differences. Bookie we should become ONE in this prayer. Rockbysea let us keep the peace in the love we have for eachother. Thecreationest, God said if two or three gather in His Name (in His will) He will be there and give us what we ask....

Come all of us get together and ask God this......

Lord Jesus, we are not one in You. but Lord we all love you in our own way. Lord how can we be one, if You do not SHOW and REVEAL your will for us? Lord how will we EVER see eye to eye if we do not have ONE TEACHER? Lord I BEG you, with all my heart, please reveal to us what it means to have YOUR SEED in us. Lord let us be ONE IN YOU. Then the WORLD will know You are truly in us all. Amen!

I have just asked my Lord Jesus, to do the biggest miricle He has ever done.... To take a few men, and make them PERFECTLY one! That is as feverent as I can go. I am NOT a righteous man, but I am a very Godly Love man. I ask this not because it is my will, but because it is HIS will that all of us will be perfectly one IN HIM. So if you pray and agree with me on this prayer, I believe God will do this for us.

I will ask God for guidence to compile the essay on the SEED OF GOD. I believe He wll give me EXACTLY waht He wants on the essay. God had me type the whole of Psalm 119, without me EVER reading it before,.... one of my greatest experiences. I typed the whole of Psalm 119, even though I NEVER read it even once in my life before....

I was reading through the bible as God said I should. So when I got to Psalm 119, I read up to verse 8. and I had this massive urge to commit my life to God... And I wanted to tell God how I will commit, and how sorry I am of the past, and how I as man CANNOT do it tihout His teaching and guidance, so I started to type all this to God in a word document, om my first laptop... It was about one and a half hours later when I finished, and I typed something so identical to the rest of the 168 verses, that I understood, that both David, and I had the SAME HUNGER FOR GOD'S PRESENCE IN OUR LIVES.... That gave me great hope, and Faith that God's will, will be done in me...

Now I hope God will again lead my heart and fingers to type an essay, so Biblical that you will ALL relate and be fitly joined together FOR HIS GLORY AND WILL....

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Hmmmm and i was praying that God does not answer your prayer hmmmm i wonder who He will answer hmmmmmmmmm

Bookends · Nov 12, 2013

Bookends said:

The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: [SUP]10 [/SUP]“Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. [SUP]11 [/SUP]The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. [SUP]12 [/SUP]I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ [SUP]13 [/SUP]And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ [SUP]14 [/SUP]I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

Cobus, How was this man Justified? What do you pull out of this parable personally for you?

Cobus, I ask again. How was this man Justified?

Hint: Titus 3:7.

Cobus · Nov 12, 2013

Sorry I though I did answer so let us answer with the Word of God... With the ONE sacrifice God perfects ALL whom he sanctify. Like I preach... ALL men God sanctify he also GLORIFY. Like I am justified, by FAITH and GRACE...

So there is the 100% Biblical answer.

Now BOOKIE will you answer me this, people avoid this question... You have the Holy Spirit in you? If yes you have the Holy Spirit in you, where does He go when you sin?

If you are committing adultery with your neighbours wife, where is the Holy Spirit then, still in you? And where is he when you and the neighbours wife is worshipping in church on Suday? Is He then back in both of you?

Where is the Holy Spirit in a sinner when he sins? PLEASE answer me ths question!

Isdaniel · Nov 12, 2013

Cobus said:

we sin in thoughts and in the heart , Jesus said we commit adultery in our hearts hmmm so lets see just thinking evil is a sin hmmm could you count how many thoughts run through your mind . so all us who have God Holly Spirit He goes in out of us hmmmm this is not a game anyhow the bible says grieve not the Holy Spirit . The Holy Spirit makes prayers for us hmmmm

Isdaniel · Nov 12, 2013

Cobus said:

Lets see what the bible says when i sin what also happens hmmmmm

Romans 8

[SUP]25 [/SUP]But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

[SUP]26 [/SUP]Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God

Cobus hmmm The Holy Spirit dwells in the believer not outside hmmmmm just a thought you cannot twist god word to fulfill you fantasy

thecreationtutor · Nov 12, 2013

Cobus said:

Sorry I though I did answer so let us answer with the Word of God... With the ONE sacrifice God perfects ALL whom he sanctify. Like I preach... ALL men God sanctify he also GLORIFY. Like I am justified, by FAITH and GRACE...

So there is the 100% Biblical answer.

1 Corinthians 6

12“All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be enslaved by anything. 13“Food is meant for the stomach and the stomach for food”—and God will destroy both one and the other. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14And God raised the Lord and will also raise us up by his power. 15Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Never! 16Or do you not know that he who is joined[SUP]d[/SUP] to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, “The two will become one flesh.” 17But he who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him. 18Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin[SUP]e[/SUP] a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. 19Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, 20for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

Now BOOKIE will you answer me this, people avoid this question... You have the Holy Spirit in you? If yes you have the Holy Spirit in you, where does He go when you sin?

If you are committing adultery with your neighbours wife, where is the Holy Spirit then, still in you? And where is he when you and the neighbours wife is worshipping in church on Suday? Is He then back in both of you?

Where is the Holy Spirit in a sinner when he sins? PLEASE answer me ths question!

The epistles are the apostles trying to correct Christians, who at various times and ways were living in the flesh rather than living by the Spirit. Now can we definitively say that these were are were not Christians doing these - no - some repented, some did not: showing themselves to be tares

Francis Chan talks about this - your forcing the Holy Spirit in you to be present in your sin = and if that phrase isn't convicting in itself, then examine yourself

how long will you go about this wrangling of words? Shall I post all of the epistles for you?

thecreationtutor · Nov 12, 2013

thecreationtutor said:

The epistles are the apostles trying to correct Christians, who at various times and ways were living in the flesh rather than living by the Spirit. Now can we definitively say that these were are were not Christians doing these - no - some repented, some did not: showing themselves to be tares

Francis Chan talks about this - your forcing the Holy Spirit in you to be present in your sin = and if that phrase isn't convicting in itself, then examine yourself

how long will you go about this wrangling of words? Shall I post all of the epistles for you?

darn somehow i messed this post - the 1 Corinthians 6 is supposed to be part of my answer

Cobus · Nov 12, 2013

Isdaniel said:

You sin in your heart because you reject the heart God wants to give you, and because you reject the heart God also does not give the Spirit....

Read this then please explain to me how BOTH the hearts will sin Ok!

Ezek 36... A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Please look God will TAKE AWAY THE SINNING HEART OF STONE... and god will give a heart THAT CANNOT SIN. and give a Spirit that CANNOT sin, and then.... GOD WILL CUASE ME TO WALK IN HIS STATUTES... WOW... how can I ain then?

Isdaniel you have not won ONE of our discussions, NOT ONE..I have proved to over and over again GOD WILL CAUSE US TO BE PERFECT.,... There is NOTHING you can do to stop God doing it NOTHING... Not you, not Satan, not the whole of CC or the World.... God will save sinners to HIS PERFECT MEN OF GOD.... Nothing will stop Him, it is HIS WILL!!!!

Cobus · Nov 12, 2013

thecreationtuter, My friend God says if the righteous BARELY makes it what chance does the sinner have. I know the epistles like I know the rest of the Bible, as GOOD as God can write it on a heart. I really have hope for you.

Let me give you this... There is only TWO ways to walk, and we CANNOT walk on both ways. There is those that walk the narrow, and there is the ones that walk the wide road. Those on the wide road are sinners, and those on the narrow road is one of three people... Repenting sinner, saint, or perfect men of God. They are where God wants them to be every second of their lives.

Paul calls it the GROWTH... I may seed, Ramon may water, But GOD LET GROW.... Growth is 100% in God's hands...

Bookends · Nov 12, 2013

Cobus said:

I think Isdaniel and thecreationtutor answered adequately and correctly. Just because the Holy Spirit resides in us doesn't mean He controls us. When we sin, He is grieved and convicts us, He is drawn away but does not depart. Our communion with Him suffers but not our union with Him. A genuine Christian will repent and draw near to Him again, and He will draw near to us, but He will never forsake us.

We are the temple of the Holy Spirit, our spirit does not become His Spirit, His Spirit molds to become like His Spirit.

Ephesians 4
Do Not Grieve the Spirit

[SUP]25 [/SUP]Therefore, putting away lying, “Let each one of you speak truth with his neighbor,”[SUP][e][/SUP] for we are members of one another. [SUP]26 [/SUP]“Be angry, and do not sin”:[SUP][f][/SUP] do not let the sun go down on your wrath, [SUP]27 [/SUP]nor give place to the devil. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. [SUP]30 [/SUP]And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. [SUP]31 [/SUP]Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. [SUP]32 [/SUP]And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.

Now let me ask you this, if what you say is true, that one who is born of God can't sin because the Holy Spirit is in him, why would Paul tell those folks not to grieve the Holy Spirit, in whom they were sealed (PAST TENSE) for the day of redemption? For if they were sealed (the Holy Spirit being our guarentee Ephesians 1:13,14), the Paul would have known it's impossible to grieve the Holy Spirit, thus saying "do not grieve the Holy Spirit" would have been pointless to say, according to your doctrine. If fact, there would be no reason for Paul to write any of his letters to the saints, unless they weren't saints. But Paul in many cases, called them saints in Romans 1:7, Romans 15:25, Ephesians 1:1, Philippians 1:1 and much much more examples I could give.
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Ephesians 1

[SUP]13 [/SUP]In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, [SUP]14 [/SUP]who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Cobus · Nov 13, 2013

Bookends thank you for asking, and I hope this time you will see the Truth as I relay it to you...

Bookie, the chosen once that will BE MADE PERFECT here os earth were SEALED even before the EARTH was made. Get this BOOKIE, the SEAL was done when God entered your name in the BOOK of LIFE....

Bookie ALL who will be in heaven are HOLY TO GOD.... From the day He wrote their names in the bok, God DESTINED them to be what? HOLY SPIRIT FILLED MEN OF GOD THAT ARE FILLED WITH HIS SPIRIT AND THEY CANNOT SIN AND THEY CANNOT EVEN GRIEF THE SPIRIT.... But!!!!! They ALL became sinners and God had to RESTORE them to what HE MADE THEM...

Bookie it is like this.... When God wrote your name in the Book of Life your holiness, your salvation and your PERFECT Life was already in Christ. Get this PLEASE BOOKIE... When God knew you, you were not even BORN yet.... Where were you when God wrote your name in the Book? And tell me who were you when God wrote your name in the BOOK? You were the SON OF GOD when He wrote yuor name in the Book of life. BUT! For a short time, you will be sinner and need to be TAUGHT how God saves...

One of those teachings is NOT TO GRIEF THE HOLY SPIRIT... Do not grief God He is your Father.... Do as your FATHER says...And He says.... BE PERFECT! Why? Because when He wrote your name in the book YOU WERE MADE PERFECT!

That should REALLY be enough to show you WHO THE ONES ARE THAT DO NOT GRIEF GOD.... The ones that are not sealed in the BOOK OF LIFE, ARE NOT FROM GOD... THEY CANNOT GRIEF GOD. Ony the ones that are made sinners for a SHORT while can grief God, but they WILL STOP.... that is the thing.... ALL WHOM GOD WROTE IN THE BOOK TURN OUT AS THEY WERE SEALED.... HOLY, GLORIOUS AND PERFECT/////

Remember Bookie not the ones that HEAR... BE PERFECT is His children, the ones that DO...Be perfect IS HIS CHILDREN.

Not hte hearers, the doers.. so Bookie are you going to STOP grieving God? I did! I heard and done.... By the CALLING and the WORK and the GRACE, of God I STOPPED GRIEVING MY FATHER IN HEAVEN.... Praise God for HE STILL CAUSE US TO OBEY. Amen!

Cobus · Nov 13, 2013

Anout the Spirit draw away but not out... WOW! I do not get that in the Bible.... Draw near to God is still not IN GOD...

There is only ONE place where the spirits go when God puts HIS SPIRIT in us... They go INTO GOD.... Not near, IN GOD.

Let me show you one thing that is so evident in the Bible....
Let us say your spirit is AIR, and the Spirit of God is WATER, and your flesh is the VESSEL, name it A GLASS. When God startes with you you are FILTHY AIR. but as the Truth of God comes into the glass, the Truth CHASETH OUT THE FILTHY AIR... and it even cleanse the Glass from outside and INSIDE.... And so the Truth will continue to do unti the glass as is pure as ALL the glasses God washed before. Bookie this glass is SAINT PURE....Only then does God take that PURE AIR IN THE GLASS and He puts it in HIMSELF... ALL the pure air in that glass God takes out of the glass, and He puts it in HIMSELF in the KINGDOM OF GOD.... Then HE FILS THAT GLASS WITH WATER.... The Holy Spirit FILLS THAT PURE GLASS and the water KEEPS ALL AIR OUT, pure and impure... That glass is now HOLY, GLORIFIED, and PERFECTLY GODLY by the WATER IN THE GLASS...

One more thing, the PURE AIR that God TOOK IS PURE OXIGEN, and GOD ADDS HIS TWO NITROGEN ATOMS FATHER AND SON TO THE AIR, TO MAKE IT ALSO PURE WATER..... So where is the AIR, THe Filty air is Gone, and the PURE Air is GODLY WATER NOW....

That is how salvation works....

Bookends · Nov 13, 2013

Cobus said:

Because you don't know your bible, you don't know how to interpret your bible, you can't make logical and biblical deductions, and frankly I believe your insight is derived straight from Satan himself.

For one, the bible doesn't say we where born or made before the foundations of the earth (but I sure God knew of us), the Bible teaches we were born into sin and that doesn't sound perfect to me.

At this point I'll have to plead Titus 3:10.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Nov 13, 2013

Bookends said:

I concur.

Bookends said:

Unless someone has been totally blinded by satan, it's really difficult to see how someone can think the flesh has been perfected. Paul plainly said:

I know that good does not live in me, that is, in my flesh. For the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. Romans 7:18

capumetu · Nov 13, 2013

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