Joyce Meyer

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trofimus

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Snoozy said:
willie why are u applauding joyce meyer's open disobedience to clear scriptures? isnt that what the pharisees did? made void God's word by their own traditions?
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God can use anybody to help us. If she helped him, nobody can change that.

Even unbelievers can help us. Movies can. A book can. Even a woman can :))
 
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Snoozy said:
willie why are u applauding joyce meyer's open disobedience to clear scriptures? isnt that what the pharisees did? made void God's word by their own traditions?
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IMO Joyce was a great, full of the spirit preacher many years back. this is the Joyce many remember including my soon to be wife who is a better servant to the Lord than i am. Copeland was also a good preacher, but Meyer and Copeland IMO have been tested and both have failed and fallen.
all these property preachers are tightly connected, one will be using some new fundraising gimmick and then they are all doing it. and they always seem to be trying to outspend the other as if its some kind of game. million dollar mansions, luxury cars, private jets, its gone way to far these days.
 
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Willie-T said:
She speaks on TV. Plain and simple. She has made it very clear that she is under the authority of her pastor. Not a thing she does violates any command of God or Jesus......... You just get upset because she may not believe all the things you believe... or think that she should believe.
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why would she need to be under the authority of a pastor?
 
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Willie-T said:
She speaks on TV. Plain and simple. She has made it very clear that she is under the authority of her pastor. Not a thing she does violates any command of God or Jesus......... You just get upset because she may not believe all the things you believe... or think that she should believe.
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So she has a pastor. Doesn't really mean much unless he's giving her the material she's presenting.

You haven't demonstrated much discernment. You seem to be very ecumenical and as such do not place a high value on doctrinal fidelity.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Willie-T said:
She speaks on TV. Plain and simple. She has made it very clear that she is under the authority of her pastor. Not a thing she does violates any command of God or Jesus......... You just get upset because she may not believe all the things you believe... or think that she should believe.
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under the authority of a pastor. i dont care about pastors. all kinds of pastors walking around these days. i could become a pastor right now and start my tv show. i posted a bible verse. in context. same in all translations.
 
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notuptome said:
So she has a pastor. Doesn't really mean much unless he's giving her the material she's presenting.

You haven't demonstrated much discernment. You seem to be very ecumenical and as such do not place a high value on doctrinal fidelity.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Given the fact Joyce was brutally sexually abused by her own Father from the age of 8 to 19 and her mother let it go on and never stopped it and the fact Joyce chose to forgive them instead of holding bitterness in her heart and given the fact both her parents came to Jesus because of her testimony, I think we know the real Jesus lives in Joyce.
 
Dude653

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Willie-T said:
It simply reads that "HE" didn't do something.... NOT that God said a word about it. Yep, the very words of that same translation.
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I don't think Paul's letters are intended to be taken as Doctrine. Paul said "I do not permit a woman to speak... and so on and so forth.. he didn't say anything about God or Jesus.....
Anyway.... Battlefield of the Mind was a pretty good book.
 
notuptome

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beastslayer1970 said:
Given the fact Joyce was brutally sexually abused by her own Father from the age of 8 to 19 and her mother let it go on and never stopped it and the fact Joyce chose to forgive them instead of holding bitterness in her heart and given the fact both her parents came to Jesus because of her testimony, I think we know the real Jesus lives in Joyce.
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I'm not addressing her salvation only concerned that she uses Christianity for profit, excess profit. Right up there with Joel Olsteen and Creflo Dollar. Billy Graham had a very weak gospel and built a large worldwide ministry. Billy never made himself rich at the expense of those who followed him.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Dude653 said:
I don't think Paul's letters are intended to be taken as Doctrine. Paul said "I do not permit a woman to speak... and so on and so forth.. he didn't say anything about God or Jesus.....
Anyway.... Battlefield of the Mind was a pretty good book.
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Excellent point. Some of what Paul wrote was his own opinion based on his own personal preference and bias. The key words are as you pointed out, "I do not permit...". Does not say that God does not permit.
 
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notuptome said:
I'm not addressing her salvation only concerned that she uses Christianity for profit, excess profit. Right up there with Joel Olsteen and Creflo Dollar. Billy Graham had a very weak gospel and built a large worldwide ministry. Billy never made himself rich at the expense of those who followed him.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Actually Joyce pretty much does what John and Lisa Bevere do and puts all her proceeds right back into her ministry. Stop reading the lies and seek truth and it will set you free.
 
Dude653

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tourist said:
Excellent point. Some of what Paul wrote was his own opinion based on his own personal preference and bias. The key words are as you pointed out, "I do not permit...". Does not say that God does not permit.
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Paul only met Jesus briefly on the road to Damascus. It's not like he hung out with Jesus everyday like the disciples did.
 
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beastslayer1970 said:
Actually Joyce pretty much does what John and Lisa Bevere do and puts all her proceeds right back into her ministry. Stop reading the lies and seek truth and it will set you free.
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thats what any good business person does, they invest profits back into the biz to make the biz bigger and more profitable.
cha ching!
 
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Dude653 said:
Paul only met Jesus briefly on the road to Damascus. It's not like he hung out with Jesus everyday like the disciples did.
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Not true.

Galatians 1:11-17 says Paul received direct Revelation from Jesus and probably when he was in the Arabian wilderness.
Some suggest these missing years of Paul; amounted to 13-14 years of receiving direct revelation from Jesus.
 
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Dude653 said:
Paul only met Jesus briefly on the road to Damascus. It's not like he hung out with Jesus everyday like the disciples did.
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Paul met Jesus in a vision like millions of other believers have, but only 12 were personally trained by the living Jesus.
 
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jaybird88 said:
Paul met Jesus in a vision like millions of other believers have, but only 12 were personally trained by the living Jesus.
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Twelve, true. But really only eleven got the message.
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Actually twelve probably is correct. I suspect Matthias knew Jesus personally since he was one of Jesus' closest followers who wasn't one of the original twelve. :)
 
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Prov910 said:
Twelve, true. But really only eleven got the message.
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Actually twelve probably is correct. I suspect Matthias knew Jesus personally since he was one of Jesus' closest followers who wasn't one of the original twelve. :)
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i have always believed it was more of a community with twelve disciples, three elders and one leader. i get your point with Mat, he wasnt hand picked like the other 11.
 
SovereignGrace

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tourist said:
Excellent point. Some of what Paul wrote was his own opinion based on his own personal preference and bias. The key words are as you pointed out, "I do not permit...". Does not say that God does not permit.
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However, Paul was under the inspiration of the Spirit while he wrote or has it dictated.

This is eerily akin to 'red letter christians' where they put more emphasis on the words of Jesus than the rest of the bible. Whatever Paul wrote or dictated is inspired scripture.
 
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