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What I would really like to know is if someone wanted real answers on this matter without all the blame and shame. Is there a book written by a good authority where one might find Biblical answers to these kinds of question? Who does one ask when they want real answers without being condemned to hell?
This entire post is directly plagiarized from a book by Ellen G. White called "Mind, Character, and Personality."
Ellen G. White is a famous false prophet, and was an early leader of the Seventh Day Adventists.
RemembertheSabbathday,
It is extremely deceptive, and dishonest, to be quoting a controversial figure without attributions, giving everyone the impression you just said these things yourself.
If you are ashamed to admit your quotes come from Ellen G. White, then you shouldn't be quoting her.
Note: any time you aren't giving proper attributions, and pretend to be saying the words of someone else... that's called plagiarism.
I think this is a consequentialist look at morality, whereas I believe the Bible teaches quite differently. Consider what Jesus says here,
"Many rich people put in large sums. And a poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which make a penny. And he called his disciples to him and said to them, “Truly, I say to you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the offering box. For they all contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on." - Mark 12:41-44
It's not about the results of ones actions. The women here is not judged by the quantity which she gives, but by the strength it took to give. As a side note, married people may not be able to serve the Church as much, but by raising a Godly family they serve God in an equally important way.
Indeed, masturbation is no different from any old sin that a married person commits, but if a married man said, "I have given my entire life to Christ, but occasionally I lie to my wife because I like to get drunk at pubs with friends from work" I would say the same thing of him; he has not given his entire life to Christ.
"Many rich people put in large sums. And a poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which make a penny. And he called his disciples to him and said to them, “Truly, I say to you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the offering box. For they all contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on." - Mark 12:41-44
It's not about the results of ones actions. The women here is not judged by the quantity which she gives, but by the strength it took to give. As a side note, married people may not be able to serve the Church as much, but by raising a Godly family they serve God in an equally important way.
Indeed, masturbation is no different from any old sin that a married person commits, but if a married man said, "I have given my entire life to Christ, but occasionally I lie to my wife because I like to get drunk at pubs with friends from work" I would say the same thing of him; he has not given his entire life to Christ.
I can suggest two good sources (though there are many more). One costs $10 on Kindle... it's just a book. But a fantastic book: Eyes of Honor by: Jonathan Welton.
And the other is a video course that really should be taken with at least 6 other men. It is online at Conquerseries.org (I might have that a little wrong, but you can locate it.), and the DVD's (6) cost $130, and the workbooks (there are two) run about $20 each.
And the other is a video course that really should be taken with at least 6 other men. It is online at Conquerseries.org (I might have that a little wrong, but you can locate it.), and the DVD's (6) cost $130, and the workbooks (there are two) run about $20 each.
Inever claim them to be my words..u just assumed they were. I feel no embarrassment for posting this. As u can see how this issue has effected so many bedrooms. The lights have been turned on. If you have an issue with it..take it up with God. What we don't know can be destructive to our Christian walk. If people who read this want to take what is written here with a grain of salt..then so b it..If I had said Ellen White..it would have been denounced from the beginning...she has given good counsel here. What is injurious to you?
Well, personally, it never seemed to me that those were her own words... and, it really didn't matter. No matter if they were Whites words or not, I would either agree with them, or disagree. I am sure she is correct in believing that certain closed minds would not have even read them if it had been attributed to White.
But, I am different from most of CC. I read things from people I already know I disagree with.... at least "some" of their writing, till I get tired of it.
But, I am different from most of CC. I read things from people I already know I disagree with.... at least "some" of their writing, till I get tired of it.
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I see. So you must be one of those people who do not give any info out unless a specific question is asked.
People generally do that so that they can say this:
"Well you did not ask me if I plagerized the text, so your ignorance is to blame."
I don't think the issue has affected anyone other then causing some to take off their reading glasses. That's some big type you have going on.
I just love it when someone says that because I am immediately relieved of any concern I may have had deciding whether or not they have something to say I should pay attention to
Why should God answer for a book written by a woman in the 19th C?
People generally do that so that they can say this:
"Well you did not ask me if I plagerized the text, so your ignorance is to blame."
I don't think the issue has affected anyone other then causing some to take off their reading glasses. That's some big type you have going on.
I just love it when someone says that because I am immediately relieved of any concern I may have had deciding whether or not they have something to say I should pay attention to
Why should God answer for a book written by a woman in the 19th C?
Why didn't you tell us what else Ellen G. White said on the subject?
As in:
As in:
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Children who practice self-indulgence (masturbation) previous to puberty, or the period of merging into manhood or womanhood, must pay the penalty of nature's violated laws at that critical period. Many sink into an early grave, while others have sufficient force of constitution to pass this ordeal. If the practice is continued from the age of fifteen and upward, nature will protest against the abuse she has suffered, and continues to suffer, and will make them pay the penalty for the transgression of her laws, especially from the ages of thirty to forty-five, by numerous pains in the system, and various diseases, such as affection of the liver and lungs, neuralgia, rheumatism, affection of the spine, diseased kidneys, and cancerous humors. Some of nature's fine machinery gives way, leaving a heavier task for the remaining to perform, which disorders nature's fine arrangement, and there is often a sudden breaking down of the constitution; and death is the result." (Solemn Appeal, 1870, p.63)."
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Although I do think that she should have referenced the author, I don't think that it is dishonest to not do so. If she was writing a book, it would be plagiarism, and dishonest, because she would then be claiming that it was her own work. But I don't think that it is necessary to quote arguments, which is what I consider this quote to be. She is essentially putting forth an argument against masturbation, and it is either valid or it isn't, and I don't think it is important to the discussion to know where each argument comes from. The goal here is to find the truth, not to win a Nobel prize for the brilliance and originality of our thoughts.
Thanks Willie you covered for the guys, but I think that some women may have this problem too so I went online and Googled a Biblical based book for women and this is what I found.
The Good Girls Guide to Great Sex written by Sheila Wray Gregiore
Looks like it can be purchased on Amazon.com for about $9.52.
Perhaps this is why she didn't quote the author in the first place. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
If the argument that the OP put forth is invalid one should argue that it is invalid in itself, not because of where it comes from.
If the argument that the OP put forth is invalid one should argue that it is invalid in itself, not because of where it comes from.
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I think a lot of this has to do with the protesters possibly feeling over- matched by someone who has spend months or years researching a topic, and has subsequently penned something quite impressive. It's hard to go up against that when instead of trying to learn, you may just want to come out the winner in an argument.
Regardless of her motive,
hiding the authorship of a quote, and thereby implying you wrote it yourself, is incredibly deceptive and dishonest on many levels.
By her actions, she has pushed things far beyond issues with the original author.
By her actions she has now shown herself to be deceptive.
Starting out by engaging in deception is a poor way to start debates about morality.
hiding the authorship of a quote, and thereby implying you wrote it yourself, is incredibly deceptive and dishonest on many levels.
By her actions, she has pushed things far beyond issues with the original author.
By her actions she has now shown herself to be deceptive.
Starting out by engaging in deception is a poor way to start debates about morality.
I agree with both of you. The intent of the OP was not to deceive but used that what was previously written to bolster her argument in a topic that she feels has great moral consequences.
In the absence of wisdom the truth is often a casualty in the search for knowledge.
The OP had a bad day. It is now time to back off on the attacks as these serve no useful purpose but only to hurt.
In the absence of wisdom the truth is often a casualty in the search for knowledge.
The OP had a bad day. It is now time to back off on the attacks as these serve no useful purpose but only to hurt.