OSAS supporters, explain these, if you will please.

[dcontroversal]

Again, no biblical refutation from you. You are only able to give me your man-made doctrine.

(The name calling is very telling that you are unable to defend your man-made theology)

Name calling? and the above bolded is a farce coming from someone who has swallowed a man made Campbellite doctrine......So tell me, when exactly did CAMPBELL come up with his heresy that you propagate? Like how many years after Jesus and the truth given by Jesus and MEN actually Led by God.....

Seems to me that you are the one standing on the teachings of ONE man and I have refuted you numerous times and you still fail to acknowledge truth over your COC doctrine!

By the way you are COC right? As I seen in one of your posts......SO...why would you be offended by CAMPBELLITE doctrine as you would think you would be proud to be named after your FATHER and what he propagated!

SEE it is like this...

Jesus Christ<---followers of are called CHRISTIAN
Campbell<----followers of called CAMPBELLITES

Pretty simple to me..........................

 

[SeaBass]

How do you know that "but the son of perdition" is not an exception clause to all of the above? Note that prayer that Christ made:

[/FONT][/COLOR]"Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are."

A petition Christ makes to the Father cannot be denied Him by the Father. So if "those whom you gave me" included Judas, then the Father would have kept Judas and made Him part of the Church (one as we are). Thus Judas was not one of the ones the Father gave to Christ. Thus Judas is not one of those that the Father gave to Christ. "None of them is lost [present tense] but Judas, the "son of perdition." Son of implies to have the nature of. Judas has the nature of a lost person.

The exception phrase, "but the son of perdition," applies to all of the above. Judas is excepted from those given Him by the Father.

None of them is lost, but the son of perdition is lost.

Lk 6:13 "And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles"

"His" is a possessive pronoun and one who was ALWAYS lost can never have belonged to Christ.


Jn 17:11,12 Judas was one "given" and "kept" by Christ. This does not describe an ALWAYS lost person. You cannot lose something that has ALWAYS been lost. So Judas must first have been given and kept in order to become lost. In Acts 1;25 Luke says Judas by transgression fell. One who is ALWAYS fallen, ALWAYS in transgression can never fall for he is ALREADY fallen.. So one must be kept in a saved position, (as Judas was by Christ), in order to fall from that saved position by transgressing.

God foreknew what Judas would choose of his own will to BECOME. God did not predetermine against Judas' will that Judas would always be lost.

 

[SeaBass]

What you don't understand, and perhaps it is because you have not yet found the Holy Spirit within you, is that a person who has been born again is a new creature. They can not help but to have the Holy Spirit inside them. They can not help but to hear the word of Christ after redemption. Because, referring back to the scripture that relates this, as his sheep who's name he knew before the foundation of the world, he called them to him. And being they are one with Christ they clearly heeded the call and were saved.
After that, there is no going back. There is no falling away. The Holy Spirit is within and they are reborn by the grace of God in Christ.

What you are arguing is the condition of those who are nominal christians. Those who do not hear the voice of Christ.

This, has no relation whatever to what Christ actually says: The lie would be that God UNCONDITIONALLY holds anyone in His hand even if that person does NOT continually hear and follow Christ.

The scripture already posted tells us that his sheep know his voice. What you are speaking of are nominal Christians. Those who attach the name, Christian, to themselves when they are not of the flock of Christ.

I am just pointing out those that try and use Jn 10:28 to "prove" eternal security do not look at verse 27.

Verse 27 tells us "who" God's holds in His hand and "why" God will not allow them to be snatched away.

The "who" is Christ's sheep.

The "why" God will not allow those sheep of Christ to be snatched away is because they are faithful in their hearing and following of Christ.

Eternal security is nowhere at all to be found in verse 27. The faithful "hearing and following" is what put them in God's hand and what keeps them in God's hand.

 

[chubbena]

maybe forums are made for battling i don't know much about cyber world, only how to get in it. so sorry, you all carry on. its your world, i'm just passing through.

I frequent auto mechanics forums and no, they seldom fight, they reason and share thoughts and experiences. At the end of the day, they usually come up with a solution to a problem. I'm glad they are not Christians. Understand what I'm saying?

 

[SeaBass]

Of course persons outside are not sealed. But if the group is sealed, so are the individuals. For they are part of the sealed group.

Logic:
If all apples are red,
and if Joe is an apple,
Joe is red. QED

It is nonsense to say that if the group is red, the individuals may not be red.

So if the individual in the group falls away from the group then that individual is no longer sealed being outside the group. OSAS tries to make the sealing UNCONDITIONAL whether one is in or out of the group.

Wrong, the sealing has NO CONDITIONS except being a believer. All believers are sealed.

No one is added to the group unconditionally so the sealing cannot be unconditional. As I just said above, OSAS tries to make the sealing UNCONDITIONAL whether one is in or out of the group.

Those verses say nothing about being removed from a sealed group. If the group is sealed, you can't unseal it no matter how hard you try. Stop adding to God's word.

Eph 1:13 was addressed to this sealed group at Ephesus and Rev 2:1-7 show this sealed group had fallen, left their first love and was commanded, threatened to repent or else have their candlestick (church, Rev 1:20) removed and not be recognized by God.

 

[SeaBass]

No...you accept part of it and fail to acknowledge the truth of.....but the son of perdition <<<<<<as ap[plied unto Judas!

And in so doing reject the truth as usual in favor or Campbellite doctrine which is heretical!

Do you accept that Judas was His (possessive pronoun) disciple? So far you have not.

There is no such thing as a "Campbellite" for it is just a made up name used by those that find themselves on the losing end of a bible debate and they have nothing left in their arsenal but name calling.

(Even if there was such a thing as a "Campbellite doctrine" you have shown yourself unable to refute it anyway)

 

[tono77]

OSAS is a false doctrine, the only way to be saved is to remain in Jesus till He comes or you die,

Jesus the True Vine

1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and everybranch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and castthem into the fire, and they are burned. 7If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. 9As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 11These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and thatyour joy might be full.12This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

 

[notuptome]

OSAS is a false doctrine, the only way to be saved is to remain in Jesus till He comes or you die,

Jesus the True Vine

1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and everybranch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and castthem into the fire, and they are burned. 7If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. 9As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 11These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and thatyour joy might be full.12This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

This passage is not about salvation. It is about bearing fruit. Salvation is not fruit. Fruit is produced by God and the branches bear it. To bear fruit you must be graft into the vine. If you are not in the vine you cannot bear fruit. The wineskin does not produce the wine but the wineskin bears the wine.

Saved by God's perfect eternal grace allows for nothing but eternal security of the believer. God does not change even if we change. God's love is constant even when we loose sight of Him and our love wanes.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[BlackPlatypus]

Salvation is not attained through works. One has but to have faith in Christ to be saved. And having that faith, that achieved is an example of heeding the calling. Once there no one can remove the faithful from the bosom of Christ. Once saved always saved. Salvation is eternal.


[h=3]John 3:16“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.[/h]

I am just pointing out those that try and use Jn 10:28 to "prove" eternal security do not look at verse 27.

Verse 27 tells us "who" God's holds in His hand and "why" God will not allow them to be snatched away.

The "who" is Christ's sheep.

The "why" God will not allow those sheep of Christ to be snatched away is because they are faithful in their hearing and following of Christ.

Eternal security is nowhere at all to be found in verse 27. The faithful "hearing and following" is what put them in God's hand and what keeps them in God's hand.

 

[dcontroversal]

Do you accept that Judas was His (possessive pronoun) disciple? So far you have not.

There is no such thing as a "Campbellite" for it is just a made up name used by those that find themselves on the losing end of a bible debate and they have nothing left in their arsenal but name calling.

(Even if there was such a thing as a "Campbellite doctrine" you have shown yourself unable to refute it anyway)

What ever dude....Keep following a man made doctrine straight to hell if you want.....Works do not save...They are evidence of salvation....

Answer the following applied unto Judas but the son of perdition and John 6:70!

And until you receive this about Judas you will remain in your sins and in a state of rejection!<-----LOST is a key word

And to address the rest of your statement....

ARE you COC...YES so.....YOU follow CAMPBELL...makes you a CAMPBELLITE.....simple!

 

[BlackPlatypus]

I like this article. We can debate back and forth here, but the Christians among us that know salvation in Christ is eternal, not temporary, may also not be respected by the critics of that knowledge, that truth, that fact. As a consequence they may not respect our position in arguing the fact.
This article is quite detailed and shares scripture that support the unalterable fact of OSAS doctrine.

Once Saved, Always Saved – The Biblical Evidence

(Excerpt) Once Saved, Always Saved – The New Creation
Critics of the “once saved, always saved” doctrine claim that it gives Christians a license to sin. They presume that those who believe in eternal security intend to accept salvation, and then continue to willingly sin. This is inaccurate, because anyone who has been truly saved is a new creature (2 Corinthians 5:17), has the conviction of the Holy Spirit (John 14:26; 1 Thessalonians 4:8), and now wants to live for Christ. Someone who continues to willingly and blatantly live in sin has not truly accepted Christ (1 John 2:19; 1 John 3:6; James 1:26). While this false belief may be held by some, it is not a part of the teachings of any true Christian church (Romans 3:8).

A person who willingly, humbly, repents of sin and turns towards the cross, trusting Christ as their Savior, will be saved (Acts 16:31; John 6:37; John 14:6). That salvation is once and for all, eternal, and secure. Those who truly trust in Christ are saved once, and saved always.

 

[kennethcadwell]

1 Corinthians 12:3
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost


Look at this scripture and what it says, especially what I underlined.

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


Now see how Jesus says not all who call Him Lord will see the kingdom of heaven, in other words not all who believe He is the Lord will enter heaven. Only the ones who do Gods will.

Now lets look at Matthew 25;

Matthew 25:31-46
[SUP]31 [/SUP]When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
[SUP]33 [/SUP]And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
[SUP]35 [/SUP]For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
[SUP]37[/SUP]Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
[SUP]38 [/SUP]When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
[SUP]42 [/SUP]For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
[SUP]43 [/SUP]I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


See how both groups believe Him to be our Lord, but only one group gets salvation ( life eternal ).

 

[notuptome]

1 Corinthians 12:3
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost


Look at this scripture and what it says, especially what I underlined.

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


Now see how Jesus says not all who call Him Lord will see the kingdom of heaven, in other words not all who believe He is the Lord will enter heaven. Only the ones who do Gods will.

Now lets look at Matthew 25;

Matthew 25:31-46
[SUP]31 [/SUP]When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
[SUP]33 [/SUP]And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
[SUP]35 [/SUP]For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
[SUP]37[/SUP]Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
[SUP]38 [/SUP]When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
[SUP]42 [/SUP]For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
[SUP]43 [/SUP]I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


See how both groups believe Him to be our Lord, but only one group gets salvation ( life eternal ).

All you have done is to misunderstand these passages. One group knows Christ and Christ knows them. The other group never knew Christ and Christ never knew them. One group falsely professes changing Christ into something He is not. the other group accepts Christ for Who He is and receives Him as Savior.

Salvation by grace is wholly complete or it is not salvation by grace but some other means. In short it's all or nothing.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[mailmandan]

Ezekiel 33
12. Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.

13. When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.

18. When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby

Ezekiel 33:13 - When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his own righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die. Did you read that? "If he trust in his OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS." This is the heart of the matter here. This is describing a righteousness which is by the law rather than that which is by faith.

The New Testament states in Romans 10:3-4 - “For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one who believes.”

 

[kennethcadwell]

All you have done is to misunderstand these passages. One group knows Christ and Christ knows them. The other group never knew Christ and Christ never knew them. One group falsely professes changing Christ into something He is not. the other group accepts Christ for Who He is and receives Him as Savior.

Salvation by grace is wholly complete or it is not salvation by grace but some other means. In short it's all or nothing.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

What I showed was that scripture says that nobody can call Jesus Lord unless the Holy Spirit guides them to know He is the Lord.

Just knowing Him to be Lord and Savior is not enough as the goats found out.

You must also take up your cross and follow Him, which includes His teachings.
One can not say that they believe Jesus Christ is Lord, but then show hatred and not help those in need.

You are not a true follower of Christ if hatred and a unhelpful attitude resides in you.

 

[kennethcadwell]

I like this article. We can debate back and forth here, but the Christians among us that know salvation in Christ is eternal, not temporary, may also not be respected by the critics of that knowledge, that truth, that fact. As a consequence they may not respect our position in arguing the fact.
This article is quite detailed and shares scripture that support the unalterable fact of OSAS doctrine.

Once Saved, Always Saved – The Biblical Evidence

(Excerpt) Once Saved, Always Saved – The New Creation
Critics of the “once saved, always saved” doctrine claim that it gives Christians a license to sin. They presume that those who believe in eternal security intend to accept salvation, and then continue to willingly sin. This is inaccurate, because anyone who has been truly saved is a new creature (2 Corinthians 5:17), has the conviction of the Holy Spirit (John 14:26; 1 Thessalonians 4:8), and now wants to live for Christ. Someone who continues to willingly and blatantly live in sin has not truly accepted Christ (1 John 2:19; 1 John 3:6; James 1:26). While this false belief may be held by some, it is not a part of the teachings of any true Christian church (Romans 3:8).

A person who willingly, humbly, repents of sin and turns towards the cross, trusting Christ as their Savior, will be saved (Acts 16:31; John 6:37; John 14:6). That salvation is once and for all, eternal, and secure. Those who truly trust in Christ are saved once, and saved always.

Well they need to show this article to the churches that teach OSAS, because the ones I have visited do teach you can keep sinning willfully and it doesn't matter as long as you have confess Jesus as your Lord.

 

[KJV1611]

I live my life based on this rule.

1Co 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

 

[SeaBass]

Salvation is not attained through works.

Obedient works save, Heb 5:9. Those that hear and follow are Christ's sheep so no following/obeying = not a sheep of Christ.

One has but to have faith in Christ to be saved. And having that faith, that achieved is an example of heeding the calling. Once there no one can remove the faithful from the bosom of Christ. Once saved always saved. Salvation is eternal.

Faith is a work, 1 Thess 1:3; Mk 2:1-5

 

[The_highwayman]

I like this article. We can debate back and forth here, but the Christians among us that know salvation in Christ is eternal, not temporary, may also not be respected by the critics of that knowledge, that truth, that fact. As a consequence they may not respect our position in arguing the fact.
This article is quite detailed and shares scripture that support the unalterable fact of OSAS doctrine.

Once Saved, Always Saved – The Biblical Evidence

(Excerpt) Once Saved, Always Saved – The New Creation
Critics of the “once saved, always saved” doctrine claim that it gives Christians a license to sin. They presume that those who believe in eternal security intend to accept salvation, and then continue to willingly sin. This is inaccurate, because anyone who has been truly saved is a new creature (2 Corinthians 5:17), has the conviction of the Holy Spirit (John 14:26; 1 Thessalonians 4:8), and now wants to live for Christ. Someone who continues to willingly and blatantly live in sin has not truly accepted Christ (1 John 2:19; 1 John 3:6; James 1:26). While this false belief may be held by some, it is not a part of the teachings of any true Christian church (Romans 3:8).

A person who willingly, humbly, repents of sin and turns towards the cross, trusting Christ as their Savior, will be saved (Acts 16:31; John 6:37; John 14:6). That salvation is once and for all, eternal, and secure. Those who truly trust in Christ are saved once, and saved always.

This seems like OSAS propaganda, because every church I have ever attend that believe in OSAS, say they got there fire insurance and it does not matter how you live, even if you fall away and back slide and commit any kind of sin, you will still be saved...

They also believe in re-dedication to Jesus, which to me is nothing more than getting saved again...We visited a OSAS church for a month and without fail every Sunday Night during their so called "evangelism" meetings, we watched in horror as most of the church would come down to get re-dedicated when the Pastor made an altar call for re-dedication.....

There is no difference in re-dedication and losing your salvation and those that teach this heresy are wrong.

 

[notuptome]

What I showed was that scripture says that nobody can call Jesus Lord unless the Holy Spirit guides them to know He is the Lord.

Just knowing Him to be Lord and Savior is not enough as the goats found out.

You must also take up your cross and follow Him, which includes His teachings.
One can not say that they believe Jesus Christ is Lord, but then show hatred and not help those in need.

You are not a true follower of Christ if hatred and a unhelpful attitude resides in you.

Rather than repent and admit you were inaccurate you choose to attack the poster. You judge and threaten.

You are simply making up your theology as you go along and when confronted by the truth of Gods word you deflect onto someone else.

You cannot judge who is and who is not as you put it a true follower of Christ. You simply cannot because you are not God. So please stop it.

Gods grace is wholly completely and eternally able to save or else it is not Gods grace. Gods grace lacks nothing. You nor I could never merit grace nor can we repay grace besides which God needs nothing from us so we have nothing to offer Him. those who have tasted of the grace of God are so completely changed by it that they can never go back nor would they ever want to go back.

Instead of focusing on goats and tares lets focus on Christ and loving Him with all our might. Lets be yoked together with Him and not with the prince of this world. Grace is not a license to sin. Where sin abounds grace does much more abound. Those who are in Christ do not want to sin they want to live close to the Lord for that is love.

Sorry for dumping on you but I find it insulting that because I'm saved and I know it that I want to live like the devil. My salvation is secure in the Lord. I know I'm saved because the Holy Spirit has witnessed with my spirit that I am His. Now for those who do not have this evidence in their lives and are using works to convince themselves that they are saved I concur that you have reason to worry.

For the cause of Christ
Roger