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K
Where did I attack or threaten anybody ?
I did not judge anybody, I showed scripture and what it says.
Nowhere did I condemn or judge anybody.
I said we are called to help the unbelievers, and lost sheep to come back to Christ.
The lost sheep are the ones walking as goats. They either are lost do to falling to false teaching, or a trial or tribulation has caused them to faulter, or sin has taken back control of their life.
All I have ever done is what our Lord has shown us in His word.
A saved person can not continue to walk in willful sin, and stay saved.
If one walks in willful sin they serve that sin, not God.
I did not judge anybody, I showed scripture and what it says.
Nowhere did I condemn or judge anybody.
I said we are called to help the unbelievers, and lost sheep to come back to Christ.
The lost sheep are the ones walking as goats. They either are lost do to falling to false teaching, or a trial or tribulation has caused them to faulter, or sin has taken back control of their life.
All I have ever done is what our Lord has shown us in His word.
A saved person can not continue to walk in willful sin, and stay saved.
If one walks in willful sin they serve that sin, not God.
Nothing teaches that a saved person can be lost. There are numerous scriptures warning of those who are not sanctified because they sin and do not seek forgiveness but even these are never seen a lost.
Do you understand that the Holy Spirit is the One Who makes evident to the person if they are saved or not? God is not dealing with His creation on a corporate basis here. God deals with each and every soul on an individual basis. God is not concerned what others think but what He has with each soul.
You are still endeavoring to wrest from God the job of judge of each mans life. Christ will judge the believers works and the Father will condemn the lost but we have no authority or commandment to assume that responsibility.
Gods grace is exceedingly great as His wrath is exceedingly terrible. Man can do nothing to effect either.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Do you understand that the Holy Spirit is the One Who makes evident to the person if they are saved or not? God is not dealing with His creation on a corporate basis here. God deals with each and every soul on an individual basis. God is not concerned what others think but what He has with each soul.
You are still endeavoring to wrest from God the job of judge of each mans life. Christ will judge the believers works and the Father will condemn the lost but we have no authority or commandment to assume that responsibility.
Gods grace is exceedingly great as His wrath is exceedingly terrible. Man can do nothing to effect either.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
K
So the scripture where our Lord Jesus says that many will fall away is a lie ?
Or the scripture where the Lord Jesus said that He did not lose any of the original 12 except Judas ?
Or how about the one in Revelations where He tells them that if they do not repent and come back to Him, He will remove their lampstand ( no longer saved )
Or the scripture where the Lord Jesus said that He did not lose any of the original 12 except Judas ?
Or how about the one in Revelations where He tells them that if they do not repent and come back to Him, He will remove their lampstand ( no longer saved )
You again misinterpret Revelation the lampstand is not salvation but the presence of the Lord in the congregations.
Judas you might note did not believe in Christ as a Savior for his sins but as a savior for the Jewish people to overthrow the Romans. Judas was with Christ for earthly gain not knowledge of God.
Scripture says that many will not endure sound doctrine but these are not saved people. Your doctrine is all over the place perhaps you need to go back and start over. Check what it is that you believed when you asked Christ to save you from your sins.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Judas you might note did not believe in Christ as a Savior for his sins but as a savior for the Jewish people to overthrow the Romans. Judas was with Christ for earthly gain not knowledge of God.
Scripture says that many will not endure sound doctrine but these are not saved people. Your doctrine is all over the place perhaps you need to go back and start over. Check what it is that you believed when you asked Christ to save you from your sins.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
K
No that is their place in heaven, not His presence in their congregation.
Judas was one of the Lords disciples/apostles ( Follower of Christ, he then betrayed Jesus )
Jesus Himself says in scripture that He lost him. Judas decided to stop following Jesus, and followed the world instead.
Romans 11:19-22
Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.
Judas was one of the Lords disciples/apostles ( Follower of Christ, he then betrayed Jesus )
Jesus Himself says in scripture that He lost him. Judas decided to stop following Jesus, and followed the world instead.
Romans 11:19-22
Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.
For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome,
after they have escaped ....were they not saved? how can one escape defilement except through Christ?
Now ...are these still saved?
For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them.
Can't see OSAS here.....Saved people he was talking about going back to vomit.....
after they have escaped ....were they not saved? how can one escape defilement except through Christ?
Now ...are these still saved?
For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them.
Can't see OSAS here.....Saved people he was talking about going back to vomit.....
Just how did you get saved? The longer you go the less confident I am in your profession.
You use verses on national election to teach loss of salvation. Oh my more than I can deal with.
Are you really certain you are saved? The scripture about the natural man not being able to receive the things of the Spirit because they are foolishness to him is really being used by the Holy Spirit right now as I read your post. I know what I got and it doesn't appear to be what you got so that is not good.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You use verses on national election to teach loss of salvation. Oh my more than I can deal with.
Are you really certain you are saved? The scripture about the natural man not being able to receive the things of the Spirit because they are foolishness to him is really being used by the Holy Spirit right now as I read your post. I know what I got and it doesn't appear to be what you got so that is not good.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
K
I am saved because I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior
I repented of my past sins and turned to Christ, learning to walk the way the Holy Spirit guides me each day.
Walking in love and forgiveness, asking for forgiveness when I back slide, asking and forgiving others for their trespasses.
Knowing that through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit that no matter what trials and tribulations I face I will not waver and stop believing and trusting in Him.
Also knowing not to turn a blind eye to others that are in need, and to help them to turn from their sins and to follow Jesus.
Giving them the same warnings that Jesus gave the apostles to give to us about willful sin.
There is nothing wrong with pointing out the sins of others if you do it in a loving and caring manner, and help them to turn from that sin. Even Paul pointed out to Peter and corrected him for doing wrong.
I repented of my past sins and turned to Christ, learning to walk the way the Holy Spirit guides me each day.
Walking in love and forgiveness, asking for forgiveness when I back slide, asking and forgiving others for their trespasses.
Knowing that through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit that no matter what trials and tribulations I face I will not waver and stop believing and trusting in Him.
Also knowing not to turn a blind eye to others that are in need, and to help them to turn from their sins and to follow Jesus.
Giving them the same warnings that Jesus gave the apostles to give to us about willful sin.
There is nothing wrong with pointing out the sins of others if you do it in a loving and caring manner, and help them to turn from that sin. Even Paul pointed out to Peter and corrected him for doing wrong.
Praise God for his glorious mercy and his wondrous ways. That he show us the truth in the midst of bold declarations that seek to weave confusion.
That text, from 2nd Peter chapter 2, and verse 20 does not say what you hope to convey of it. However, Verses 1 through 2 that precede it, certainly do warn of the spirit behind the conveyance. So that context within God's word be achieved in matters related to those who would hope to convince us that Christ and his salvation is not eternal.
[h=1]2 Peter 2:1-22[/h] But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. (Full Text 1Peter 1:1-22)
That text, from 2nd Peter chapter 2, and verse 20 does not say what you hope to convey of it. However, Verses 1 through 2 that precede it, certainly do warn of the spirit behind the conveyance. So that context within God's word be achieved in matters related to those who would hope to convince us that Christ and his salvation is not eternal.
[h=1]2 Peter 2:1-22[/h] But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. (Full Text 1Peter 1:1-22)
No it is not, if you mean by Christian a person who is saved, instead of a professor of religion. Heb 6:9 absolutely proves it. But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation,
Taste can be used where nothing is swallowed. We are not left to come to our own conclusions, Heb 6:9 says:
But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation,
[quote]"made partakers of the Holy Ghost" cf Rom 8:9. These Christian Hebrews are said to be "partakers of the heavenly calling" Heb 3:1. Both phrases representing a saved position.[/quote]
In Hebrews 6:9 the Lord tells us,
But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation,
I believe the Lord; I do not believe you, Seabass.
They cannot renewed again to repentance, that is to a change of mind. The change of mind that saves is from non-belief to belief, but there are other changes of mind beside that one. It may be that they had a factual belief, which is not saving faith. They will not be renewed to thinking that X is true again. Note that the text does not say, save, saved, or salvation. You are reading things in that are not there. Whatever gnat you want to strain in the passage, the Lord tells us:
But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation,
I believe the Lord; I do not believe you, Seabass.
The text doesn't say anything about hoping. What is tells us is:
But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation,
Better things. The things of salvation are better than the things of professors who have a connection to Christianity (like Judas) without ever being saved.
You must interpret the passage not privately, but in harmony with the promises of God. You must interpret Heb 6:4-8 in the light of 6:9. We are not left to guess at the meaning.
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.
Taste can be used where nothing is swallowed. We are not left to come to our own conclusions, Heb 6:9 says:
But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation,
[quote]"made partakers of the Holy Ghost" cf Rom 8:9. These Christian Hebrews are said to be "partakers of the heavenly calling" Heb 3:1. Both phrases representing a saved position.[/quote]
In Hebrews 6:9 the Lord tells us,
But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation,
I believe the Lord; I do not believe you, Seabass.
They cannot renewed again to repentance, that is to a change of mind. The change of mind that saves is from non-belief to belief, but there are other changes of mind beside that one. It may be that they had a factual belief, which is not saving faith. They will not be renewed to thinking that X is true again. Note that the text does not say, save, saved, or salvation. You are reading things in that are not there. Whatever gnat you want to strain in the passage, the Lord tells us:
But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation,
I believe the Lord; I do not believe you, Seabass.
The text doesn't say anything about hoping. What is tells us is:
But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation,
Better things. The things of salvation are better than the things of professors who have a connection to Christianity (like Judas) without ever being saved.
You must interpret the passage not privately, but in harmony with the promises of God. You must interpret Heb 6:4-8 in the light of 6:9. We are not left to guess at the meaning.
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.
You cannot show us one verse that says you are saved because of "accepted" Jesus Christ." Neither can you show a verse that says one is saved for accepting Christ as Lord.
And you have denied salvation. If you had trusted the Lord Jesus as Savior with your eternal destiny, not written him off as a mere chance-giver, not trusted in your works, like water baptism, you would indeed be saved & assured of eternal life.
Repent, and actually trust Him as Savior.
But is it not a fact that while you speak of trusting in Him, you trust is in your own good works, not Him. You really regard Him only as a chance-giver and expect that your good works will save you.
Who do you resemble most? The Pharisee who bragged on his righteousness and pointed out the sins of the Publican (nothing wrong with that?), or the Publican who cried, "God be merciful to me a sinner"?
And you have denied salvation. If you had trusted the Lord Jesus as Savior with your eternal destiny, not written him off as a mere chance-giver, not trusted in your works, like water baptism, you would indeed be saved & assured of eternal life.
Repent, and actually trust Him as Savior.
But is it not a fact that while you speak of trusting in Him, you trust is in your own good works, not Him. You really regard Him only as a chance-giver and expect that your good works will save you.
Who do you resemble most? The Pharisee who bragged on his righteousness and pointed out the sins of the Publican (nothing wrong with that?), or the Publican who cried, "God be merciful to me a sinner"?
NewB, if you would know about salvation, start on passages which are on topic, passages that have save, saved, salvation, or receive the gift of eternal life. Salvation is about this loving Savior who takes the wretched, vile sinner, cleanses Him, gives Him new life, and eternal life. Note that your passage is not about that at all.
Do you have a pink highlighter? Try reading through the Bible and marking those passages. See what you find. BTW NewB, have you ever read the Bible through even once?
Do you have a pink highlighter? Try reading through the Bible and marking those passages. See what you find. BTW NewB, have you ever read the Bible through even once?
Where does the scripture say God gave you power to become a butterfly?
A butterfly does not start out as a caterpillar ...The butterfly life cycle consist of four different life stages. Those four stages are egg, caterpillar, pupa and adult or imago.
The scripture does not teach morphing it teaches....And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
A butterfly does not start out as a caterpillar ...The butterfly life cycle consist of four different life stages. Those four stages are egg, caterpillar, pupa and adult or imago.
The scripture does not teach morphing it teaches....And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.