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Dude he just quoted Rev 19.10 to you and you say its not true?

[SUP]10 [/SUP]And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Your credibility just got erased.
You missed the point He says that all that prophecy are prophets not all are prophets. Just because one prophecies does not make them in the office(Ephesians 4) Prophet.
 
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kennethcadwell

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I certainly dont know all the symbolism I will always be waiting.. waiting... waiting... on a thing while comparing things out. I need alot of convincing, because I am a professed fencesitter on these things (while everyone else seems so sure of their position) I am not and I am rarely convinced of too much by others.

I am never 100% convinced on certain areas of prophecy as I am always reading and looking for other opinions.
Then I either discard them or take them into consideration based on well they fit or not into the prophecy.
For instance I did at one time in study believe Rome was Babylon, then I saw the talk of New York or United States being Babylon. In studies though their are some descriptions that fit these two, but then there are some that don't fit. People will always try to get things and will make them if they don't go by all the prophetic scriptures.

There is a lot in the world today that is showing the rise of the Roman empire again within the EU.
You have tons of Muslims within the European union countries, the pope has allowed Christians and Muslims to worship together/ symbolic the false prophet ram with two horns, and I just saw that in many European union countries people are yelling out in public death to the Jews. These are just a few that are falling into place.
 
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The_highwayman

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You missed the point He says that all that prophecy are prophets not all are prophets. Just because one prophecies does not make them in the office(Ephesians 4) Prophet.
I agree, but you said what he quoted was not true and its from the Bible.....be mindful of these things....
 
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Not so fast, 1 Cor 14.3 says:
But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
This refers to general prophecy and anyone can edify, exhort or comfort another in the Body of Christ and not be in the Prophets Office.

A man or woman called to the New Testament Prophets office will not only operate consistently in the vocal gifts [prophesy and tongues and interpretation, message in tongues] but should also operate consistently in 1 or more of the revelation gifts: Which are Word of Wisdom, Word of Knowledge and discerning of Spirits...

Above all, someone called to the Prophets office will preach and teach the word of God!
In other words, some people can sing, dance and draw very well.
 
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DesiredHaven

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I am never 100% convinced on certain areas of prophecy as I am always reading and looking for other opinions.
Then I either discard them or take them into consideration based on well they fit or not into the prophecy.
For instance I did at one time in study believe Rome was Babylon, then I saw the talk of New York or United States being Babylon. In studies though their are some descriptions that fit these two, but then there are some that don't fit. People will always try to get things and will make them if they don't go by all the prophetic scriptures.

There is a lot in the world today that is showing the rise of the Roman empire again within the EU.
You have tons of Muslims within the European union countries, the pope has allowed Christians and Muslims to worship together/ symbolic the false prophet ram with two horns, and I just saw that in many European union countries people are yelling out in public death to the Jews. These are just a few that are falling into place.
I have no position on this yet to be honest with you, I cautiously consider things but I am still not convinced, I am difficult to convince of things I just am (even for my own self) I need to prove it more then a couple of ways before I believe its solid.
 

SoulWeaver

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You missed the point He says that all that prophecy are prophets not all are prophets. Just because one prophecies does not make them in the office(Ephesians 4) Prophet.
You are absolutely correct about the underlined... but it is worthwhile to note that not all are prophesying, either. Apostle Paul encourages them to pray that they would all prophesy. So not all prophesy.
1 Corinthians 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
1 Corinthians 14:24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

Maybe that "prophet office" stuff is manmade division that really is about titles? Does the title really matter to God as long as the person is prophesying and therefore doing God's work? Again God knows, just some food for thought... but I'm wondering...
 
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I have no position on this yet to be honest with you, I cautiously consider things but I am still not convinced, I am difficult to convince of things I just am (even for my own self) I need to prove it more then a couple of ways before I believe its solid.

That is understandable as that shows you have an open mind which is a good thing to have, as when it comes to things like this you can never just take and close the door on something. Being closed minded when it comes to prophecy is never a good things so I am glad you say you need to search things out and prove them to yourself.

Daniel was shown another prophecy vision in Daniel 7 of the 4 beast, and the first one is a Lion.
Now the standard well accepted in the past was that this beast was Babylon.

I have come across a few that here recently have been changing that approach because of the full description given of this beast.
First it says it is a lion with eagles wings, and Daniel watched as the wings separated from the lion.
Now history tells us that Great Britain has the symbol lion, and American who's symbol is the eagle broke away from Britain in 1776.
Then it says it were made to stand up like a man and given a heart, and the other symbolism is for America is Uncle Sam and have you ever heard the phrase the heart of America.....
 

presidente

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A man or woman called to the New Testament Prophets office will not only operate consistently in the vocal gifts [prophesy and tongues and interpretation, message in tongues] but should also operate consistently in 1 or more of the revelation gifts: Which are Word of Wisdom, Word of Knowledge and discerning of Spirits...
Why don't you cite a source for this from the Bible. My guess is it's from the book of Kenneth Hagin, right after the book of Opinions. :)
 
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Dude he just quoted Rev 19.10 to you and you say its not true?

[SUP]10 [/SUP]And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Your credibility just got erased.
I think you missed the point i was making. Just because someone Prophecies does not mean there in the office of an (Eph. 4) Prophet. All have the spirit of Prophecy in them but not all are called with an ephesians 4 mandate.
 
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The_highwayman

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I think you missed the point i was making. Just because someone Prophecies does not mean there in the office of an (Eph. 4) Prophet. All have the spirit of Prophecy in them but not all are called with an ephesians 4 mandate.
Ok brother I did misunderstand, sorry I see the point now that you have explained it
 
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DesiredHaven

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That is understandable as that shows you have an open mind which is a good thing to have, as when it comes to things like this you can never just take and close the door on something. Being closed minded when it comes to prophecy is never a good things so I am glad you say you need to search things out and prove them to yourself.

Daniel was shown another prophecy vision in Daniel 7 of the 4 beast, and the first one is a Lion.
Now the standard well accepted in the past was that this beast was Babylon.

I have come across a few that here recently have been changing that approach because of the full description given of this beast.
First it says it is a lion with eagles wings, and Daniel watched as the wings separated from the lion.
Now history tells us that Great Britain has the symbol lion, and American who's symbol is the eagle broke away from Britain in 1776.
Then it says it were made to stand up like a man and given a heart, and the other symbolism is for America is Uncle Sam and have you ever heard the phrase the heart of America.....
I have heard of similar yes.
 
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The_highwayman

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Why don't you cite a source for this from the Bible. My guess is it's from the book of Kenneth Hagin, right after the book of Opinions. :)
Agabus operated in the gift of the word of Wisdom and word of Knowledge. If you look through 1 Cor 12 you will see that even Jesus operated in the 9 gifts mentioned there....there are many other examples found in the Bible..

Hagin!?!?! LOL wow... :rolleyes: I dont need Hagin, and never have...., even when he was alive...the WOF movement has serious deception about a lot of things....that are not even remotely Biblical...I am not a WOF follower and never have been....I am a BIble follower....
 
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The_highwayman

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Why don't you cite a source for this from the Bible. My guess is it's from the book of Kenneth Hagin, right after the book of Opinions. :)
Why dont you cite sources from the Bible that tell me I am wrong...:cool:
 

DiscipleDave

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Did not Jesus state clearly that the LAW and the PROPHETS were until JOHN? Let us just chunk this verse under the table and IGNORE the validity of the very WORD of GOD!
That statement is NOT teaching there are no longer any prophets. If that is what you believe then your belief is in error. The Bible itself teaches that there were prophets even after John the Baptist. The Apostle Paul even taught us what order the Prophets should be placed in the Church. if you understand that the above statement means there are no more prophets, then do you discard all the verses which teach there is prophets? do you discard the verses that one of the gifts of the Holy Ghost is the Gift of prophesy, Strange that the Holy Ghost would give out the gift of prophesy if there are no prophets to give those prophesies. You do error in not understanding that when Jesus said the Law and the prophets were until John, He was most assuredly referring to All the law and prophets concerning Himself, and His death and resurrection. There are no more prophesies concerning Jesus Christ death and resurrection after JOHN the Baptist, Because Jesus fulfilled all of them, there are no more prophesies concerning His death and resurrection. He said "It is finished"
But you do error in saying there are no more prophets because Jesus said that statement above.

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DiscipleDave

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If one prophesies, then that makes them a prophet. Does that however, make them a true prophet of God? Only through the testimony of Jesus can we separate the two. In another place in the bible, this is called testing the spirits or the words that precedes from them.
Scriptures teach us how you can tell a false prophet.

1) if what they say does not come to pass
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2) if what they say contradicts Scriptures

You test them by seeing if what they say comes to pass and by what they are saying if it contradicts the Word of God.

Anyone who professes to hear from God and teach things that are contrary to Scriptures is a false prophet. This is the True way to tell a false prophet. Many false prophets can predict the future, that is to say what they say a great percentage of the time comes to pass, This is because they have the spirit of divination. But all spirits of divination have their own agenda, you can see this agenda by the words that are spoken by the one who has said spirit, their words will be contradictory to Scriptures.

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That statement is NOT teaching there are no longer any prophets. If that is what you believe then your belief is in error. The Bible itself teaches that there were prophets even after John the Baptist. The Apostle Paul even taught us what order the Prophets should be placed in the Church. if you understand that the above statement means there are no more prophets, then do you discard all the verses which teach there is prophets? do you discard the verses that one of the gifts of the Holy Ghost is the Gift of prophesy, Strange that the Holy Ghost would give out the gift of prophesy if there are no prophets to give those prophesies. You do error in not understanding that when Jesus said the Law and the prophets were until John, He was most assuredly referring to All the law and prophets concerning Himself, and His death and resurrection. There are no more prophesies concerning Jesus Christ death and resurrection after JOHN the Baptist, Because Jesus fulfilled all of them, there are no more prophesies concerning His death and resurrection. He said "It is finished"
But you do error in saying there are no more prophets because Jesus said that statement above.

^i^ Responding to Post #62
This coming from someone who states that they carry on conversations with God, have been told we will all get our own planet and a few other such things of like caliber and order....maybe know what I actually believe before you start assuming and accusing home slice!
 

DiscipleDave

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I know plenty of people who have been given prophetic words by God for all sorts of things, in my church a few people have prophetic words for our church, but that does not make them prophets of God. As I said prophet is used all too easy to elevate and self promote. The way I see it a true prophet of God is someone who God has given the responsibility to try and guide or speak to nations and populations, how many prophets are there in the Bible and what did they do to be called prophets?
A prophet, is one who has communicated with God, or had visions from God, or had dreams from God, concerning that which is to come.

Here is a prophesy told to me by God, ONE day you will see a man on TV during a time of great tribulation upon the Earth, Earthquakes, Tsunamis, Volcanoes, Asteroid impacts, And he will say "Where is your God now?" And many will fall from their faiths, not only the Christian Faith, { because they thought Jesus would come before all that stuff happens and He did not come when they thought He should have } But all faiths in the entire world will fall away from their belief in God. Oh by the way that man on the TV is the antichrist.

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DiscipleDave

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I suggest you look up the word and what it actually means and meant to a 1st century Christian as opposed to a modern translation!
Are we not in the last days? How is a modern translations BETTER? Modern = Those from the LAST DAYS Generation.

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DiscipleDave

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Here's a good teaching by my Apostle Steve Foss
Watch "Guidlines For Practical Prophetic Ministry Part 1 August 19th 2014" on YouTube
Guidlines For Practical Prophetic Ministry Part 1 August 19th 2014: http://youtu.be/2EG8gcaol9o
An Apostle is one who has actually SEEN Jesus Christ. Has Steve Foss actually seen Jesus Christ in order to be called an Apostle? Note: i am not saying that He did not see Him, Jesus could appear to whomever Jesus wants to appear to, He is God. He has never appeared to me, but that is not saying He could not appear to another, only asking if this Steve Foss has seen Jesus Christ?

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Scriptures teach us how you can tell a false prophet.

1) if what they say does not come to pass
and
2) if what they say contradicts Scriptures

You test them by seeing if what they say comes to pass and by what they are saying if it contradicts the Word of God.

Anyone who professes to hear from God and teach things that are contrary to Scriptures is a false prophet. This is the True way to tell a false prophet. Many false prophets can predict the future, that is to say what they say a great percentage of the time comes to pass, This is because they have the spirit of divination. But all spirits of divination have their own agenda, you can see this agenda by the words that are spoken by the one who has said spirit, their words will be contradictory to Scriptures.

^i^ Responding to Post #82
How can something come to pass and not come from God? And here, everyone says that everyone else is contrary to scripture. If not, then who here is correct?