Question for Hizikyah, or Others

[kennethcadwell]

Grace does not teach or tell anyone that it's okay to live in sin nor will grace condemn the guilty. Jesus Christ through the cross dealt with every one of man's sins on the cross and left no sin 'unjudged'. Christ did not come to judge anyone but to give his life as a ransom for sin. Did you hear that? When we believed and trusted in that ransom that was paid for our sins, our sins were wiped clean, even the ones that would befall us after we first trusted in Christ. Our trust in the cross of Christ when we believed did not only look backwards but our trust in Christ also looked forward. The cross is not only retroactive but is proactive. How could a believer be justified and made complete in Christ if only a part of his sin and sins were judged and not all?

Yes we need to be confessed up to date to partake of the Lord's supper and to have fellowship but the good news is that ALL sin was judged and that is past, present and future for all of us, otherwise it is not good news. Either the finished work is a complete and final work for sin or it is not. Understanding this and trusting in the finished work does not imply that sin is condoned in any way or manner. In fact it encourages us to put off these things that involve all works of the flesh, even the sin that easily besets us. Yes, when we are convicted of sin by the Holy Spirit we are to agree with him quickly so that we do not break fellowship and have to live in those terrible effects of the flesh and be subject to the chastening hand of the Lord. No believer wants to be chastened especially by the hand of God.

This is not a false teaching in any way but many do not understand what our relationship is with the Father through what the Son has done for us. The sin nature that we were born with was not eradicated when we believed in Christ and that is why we have a great need for mercy and grace and why we are thankful that the cross crucified that sin nature so that we can be free from its dominion. But we have to act upon the truth of what has been done on our behalf and no matter how much we fail we need to look to God by faith and continue in the light of the finished work trusting in the Lord with all our heart and not leaning on any understanding contrary to that. If it seems that people are living in unconfessed, unrepented willful sin, God looks upon the heart and deals with the heart because that is where the issues of life are (1 Sam 16:7, Prov 4:23).

The scriptures do say He died for all sins, but in order to receive that remission for our sins by Him then scriptures also make it clear that you have to repent and be baptized first (Acts 2:38). And then it makes it clear that only takes care of the sins of past and present at that time (Romans 3:25, 2 Peter 1:9). Future sins still have to be confessed of to receive that remission and be cleansed by the Lord (1 John 1:9, 2:1).
To many want to cancel out these other parts in the scripture on how to receive that remission of their sins, so that they can be cleansed of all unrighteousness. Because they have been mislead nothing is required of us, but not even the Lord said nothing was required of us. He said the opposite that much is required (Luke 12:48), and that only if you do the Fathers will will you inherit the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 7:21); and everything that Jesus said to do is the Fathers will (John 7:16, 12:49, 14:10, 14:24). Lord Jesus said this more than once in John making a point that whatever He said was to be kept, followed, obeyed, and done.........

 

[kennethcadwell]

You don't get the point with that parable at all, resting to your own ideas rather than receive the record of the scripture in question. The relation was broken, indeed, but the sonship never ended, so there was no new sonship regained at the will of the prodigal son, there was a renewal unto life of his relation with his father. Your concept of sin is utterly shallow and not holding water proof to biblical record. If you think you have no sin, then you are just deceived.

Well then you have and issue with Paul and what he wrote then, because he constantly warned believers in his epistles about continuing in willful sins, and returning to willful sins, and in each case he showed that it does not lead to eternal life. For once again you can not serve sin and the Lord, for it clearly says you will love one and hate the others. So if a person stays in their sins, and will not give them up means they love them and not the Lord.

Matthew 6:24
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Walking in willful sins leads to the lake of fire which is spiritual death, and walking in righteousness as in walking in the Spirit following and obeying what the Lord said leads to eternal life........If you take the other scriptures said by the Lord and Paul you will get the exact context of what being dead or alive is in that scripture, and at no time is the concept when mentioned by the Lord or Paul are they speaking of physical life as people try to twist it. The Lord's teachings were never about physical life on earth, as He said more than once do not worry about things here, but to prepare for your inheritance in heaven. So when He said endure to the end to be saved (Matthew 10:22, Matthew 24:10-13), He is not saying your physical life will be saved. It is your spiritual eternal life that you will inherit...

 

[tribesman]

Well then you have and issue with Paul and what he wrote then, because he constantly warned believers in his epistles about continuing in willful sins, and returning to willful sins, and in each case he showed that it does not lead to eternal life. For once again you can not serve sin and the Lord, for it clearly says you will love one and hate the others. So if a person stays in their sins, and will not give them up means they love them and not the Lord.

Matthew 6:24
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Walking in willful sins leads to the lake of fire which is spiritual death, and walking in righteousness as in walking in the Spirit following and obeying what the Lord said leads to eternal life........If you take the other scriptures said by the Lord and Paul you will get the exact context of what being dead or alive is in that scripture, and at no time is the concept when mentioned by the Lord or Paul are they speaking of physical life as people try to twist it. The Lord's teachings were never about physical life on earth, as He said more than once do not worry about things here, but to prepare for your inheritance in heaven. So when He said endure to the end to be saved (Matthew 10:22, Matthew 24:10-13), He is not saying your physical life will be saved. It is your spiritual eternal life that you will inherit...

You have a big issue with the biblical concept of sin and of righteousness. Not in full understanding what sin is and what the righteousness of God is. You stress the word "willful", without telling people how you arbitrarily define that word and how you relate to it in practice. I am quite sure that you mean only certain external sins, while internal sins are looked over as "mistakes", par for the course of the heresies hypocritically taught by arminians and sinless perfectionist advocates. Having said this, I by no means say that "living in sin" is ever OK, or, if never repented from, is a sign that someone is on right path. By far not. But sin, as such, is not something that deals merely with moralist do's and dont's or with lifestyle, it affects to everything that pertains to the inward man, his heart/mind, his desires...including his beliefs. The prodigal son was a son all along, absolutely under the ability to sin, and even a son while in that miserable state, finally coming under conviction and repenting/confessing his sin, being restored unto life in his relation to his father. You falsely teach that someone can go in and out of his sonship at his own will, par for the course of the man-centered and works based salvation false gospel you advocate. Not yet being convicted of the sin you live in, teaching false doctrine. Heresy being a work of the flesh.

 

[kennethcadwell]

You have a big issue with the biblical concept of sin and of righteousness. Not in full understanding what sin is and what the righteousness of God is. You stress the word "willful", without telling people how you arbitrarily define that word and how you relate to it in practice. I am quite sure that you mean only certain external sins, while internal sins are looked over as "mistakes", par for the course of the heresies hypocritically taught by arminians and sinless perfectionist advocates. Having said this, I by no means say that "living in sin" is ever OK, or, if never repented from, is a sign that someone is on right path. By far not. But sin, as such, is not something that deals merely with moralist do's and dont's or with lifestyle, it affects to everything that pertains to the inward man, his heart/mind, his desires...including his beliefs. The prodigal son was a son all along, absolutely under the ability to sin, and even a son while in that miserable state, finally coming under conviction and repenting/confessing his sin, being restored unto life in his relation to his father. You falsely teach that someone can go in and out of his sonship at his own will, par for the course of the man-centered and works based salvation false gospel you advocate. Not yet being convicted of the sin you live in, teaching false doctrine. Heresy being a work of the flesh.

Well that would be wrong, as I have described over and over again what the bible considers willful sins.
And that is any sins that you do not repent of or confess to receive the Lord's remission for them, and cleanse them of that unrighteousness. People want to falsely take and classify sins differently, but the bible does not do that as the Lord only listed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit as worse then others. The other scripture passage that people misuse on this is 1 John 5:16-17 that states sins leading to death, and sins not leading to death. People take and try to make this that some sins are acceptable, but this is not at all what it is saying.
What it is actually saying is that sins that do not lead to spiritual death are the ones that have been repented and confessed of, that a person may still walk in for a little while do to how hard they are to stop right away. Sins that lead to spiritual death are unrepented and unconfessed of sins.....


And no my teaching is not false as there are multiple scriptures they say that only if you continue to walk properly do you receive eternal life. Look at the Galatians once again as they turned from God's grace back to sin by justification of the law. Paul tells them Christ has become of no effect to them ( not remission of sins ), and they have fallen from grace ( only being under God's grace is one saved to eternal life )......

 

[tribesman]

...What it is actually saying is that sins that do not lead to spiritual death are the ones that have been repented and confessed of, that a person may still walk in for a little while do to how hard they are to stop right away. Sins that lead to spiritual death are unrepented and unconfessed of sins.....

And no my teaching is not false as there are multiple scriptures they say that only if you continue to walk properly do you receive eternal life. Look at the Galatians once again as they turned from God's grace back to sin by justification of the law. Paul tells them Christ has become of no effect to them ( not remission of sins ), and they have fallen from grace ( only being under God's grace is one saved to eternal life )......

You are still teaching that someone who is truly saved can lose their salvation. And that those who are saved but get overtaken in some sin loses his salvation at that point and then regains his salvation again at his own mere will when he stops (repent from and confess) that sin. Overall you teach a salvation conditioned on the efforts and works of the sinner, not on the person and work of Christ alone. And that is not biblical. As much as you look in the Bible in its entirety you will not find support for such absurd ideas, going in and out of salvation at one's own will. You got that teaching from somewhere else, where? Your self or someone else's? How many times did you get saved so far?

 

[Sirk]

You are still teaching that someone who is truly saved can lose their salvation. And that those who are saved but get overtaken in some sin loses his salvation at that point and then regains his salvation again at his own mere will when he stops (repent from and confess) that sin. Overall you teach a salvation conditioned on the efforts and works of the sinner, not on the person and work of Christ alone. And that is not biblical. As much as you look in the Bible in its entirety you will not find support for such absurd ideas, going in and out of salvation at one's own will. You got that teaching from somewhere else, where? Your self or someone else's? How many times did you get saved so far?

I'm confused as to who Kenneth is even arguing with????

 

[tribesman]

I'm confused as to who Kenneth is even arguing with????

With the Bible, ultimately.

 

[gotime]

I don't know if someone has already mentioned this because I have not read every post.

But the Idea that Belief and obedience are connected is also communicated by John himself:

Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Clearly the concepts are within the word.

Blessings.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

And no my teaching is not false as there are multiple scriptures they say that only if you continue to walk properly do you receive eternal life. Look at the Galatians once again as they turned from God's grace back to sin by justification of the law. Paul tells them Christ has become of no effect to them

Galatians 5:1-4 NASB
It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery. 2Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law.4 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

Could it be that Galatians 5 is a warning not to waiver out of faith in Christ (but faith working through love.) by being mislead by false doctrines of men that attempt to put a man under the yoke of slavery by teaching that a man is justified by the works of the law? (9A little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough.)

Verse 4 doesn't prove that a believer can loose God's grace, but it does prove that a believer can be mislead by false doctrines of men regarding faith even after Christ's work of salvation has begun in them....... Paul goes on to say......

Galatians 5:7 NASB
You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth?

Paul doesn't imply in this verse that they lost God's grace or that they lost their salvation here; but instead tells them they were hindered in their faith by false doctrine that taught justification by works of the law performed in faith other than "faith working through love".

Galatians 5:10 NASB
I have confidence in you in the Lord that you will adopt no other view; but the one who is disturbing you will bear his judgment, whoever he is.

"Will adopt no other view",....... Paul didn't say to them...... game over, you lost God's grace and your salvation.......

 

[BradC]

The scriptures do say He died for all sins, but in order to receive that remission for our sins by Him then scriptures also make it clear that you have to repent and be baptized first (Acts 2:38). And then it makes it clear that only takes care of the sins of past and present at that time (Romans 3:25, 2 Peter 1:9). Future sins still have to be confessed of to receive that remission and be cleansed by the Lord (1 John 1:9, 2:1).
To many want to cancel out these other parts in the scripture on how to receive that remission of their sins, so that they can be cleansed of all unrighteousness. Because they have been mislead nothing is required of us, but not even the Lord said nothing was required of us. He said the opposite that much is required (Luke 12:48), and that only if you do the Fathers will will you inherit the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 7:21); and everything that Jesus said to do is the Fathers will (John 7:16, 12:49, 14:10, 14:24). Lord Jesus said this more than once in John making a point that whatever He said was to be kept, followed, obeyed, and done.........

Your conclusion makes the atonement based upon our confession of sin and not based in our confession of the finished work of the cross. We are to confess our sin in relationship to the cross and its atonement and not in relationship to ourselves and what we have done. Yes we are the ones who have been convicted by the Holy Spirit and we agree with him on that, but all sin has been wiped away. If we sin (and we may or may not) we have an advocate with the Father, one who pleads our case letting the Father know that sin can not be laid to our charge for it was laid upon Him, Jesus Christ the righteous, and he crucified it. Our confession of sin is not made to say that we are guilty, even though we are, but our confession of sin is made to make acknowledge of the atonement and upon whom our sin was charged to.

That is what the passage is saying in (1 John 1 & 2), it is encouraging us not to sin but if we do we have an advocate and our confession is based upon that advocacy and not upon our guilt for all sin was placed upon and charged to Jesus. We have been accepted in the beloved and we are complete in Him when we first believed in Christ and the cross. That accepted position never changes and we have been sealed and locked in by grace through faith and not through a confession of sin. It is Christ's confession about us that we confess in this life and we abide in that confession for it is the truth. The more we abide in that confession of the finished work the more we put off sin and hate those things of the flesh.

 

[Eva1218]

It is very wise to reseach words to their original language. A good way is using a Concordance. I prefer Strong's whileothers like Vine's or other sources. Also there are resources that can be downloaded as well, again I prefer Esword, this will enhance your studies tremendously. Most importantly always Pray first seek DIVINE REVELATION.

Blessings!!!!!!!

 

[newbirth]

Your conclusion makes the atonement based upon our confession of sin and not based in our confession of the finished work of the cross. We are to confess our sin in relationship to the cross and its atonement and not in relationship to ourselves and what we have done. Yes we are the ones who have been convicted by the Holy Spirit and we agree with him on that, but all sin has been wiped away. If we sin (and we may or may not) we have an advocate with the Father, one who pleads our case letting the Father know that sin can not be laid to our charge for it was laid upon Him, Jesus Christ the righteous, and he crucified it. Our confession of sin is not made to say that we are guilty, even though we are, but our confession of sin is made to make acknowledge of the atonement and upon whom our sin was charged to.

you are try to say future sins are already forgiven before they are committed...scripture does not teach that...
2 Peter 1:9
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
if you commit a sin how can you say you are not guilty of that sin??if you confess that you sinned you are admitting guilt..your future sins are not charged to Christ ...your future sins are your sins and you need to confess them and he forgives you..

That is what the passage is saying in (1 John 1 & 2), it is encouraging us not to sin but if we do we have an advocate and our confession is based upon that advocacy and not upon our guilt for all sin was placed upon and charged to Jesus. We have been accepted in the beloved and we are complete in Him when we first believed in Christ and the cross. That accepted position never changes and we have been sealed and locked in by grace through faith and not through a confession of sin. It is Christ's confession about us that we confess in this life and we abide in that confession for it is the truth. The more we abide in that confession of the finished work the more we put off sin and hate those things of the flesh.

Christ takes responsibility for the sins you committed before you answered his call....when you repented you were also making a pledge not to sin again(to follow Christ)....you promised to turn away from sin...the onus is upon you to keep your promise(to follow him)...he helps us in our weakness if we sin when we confess he forgives us.....your doctrine is false Christ does not lock you in ....one is free in Christ...one of the biggest word in the gospel is.. if....

 

[newbirth]

Galatians 5:1-4 NASB
It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery. 2Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law.4 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

Could it be that Galatians 5 is a warning not to waiver out of faith in Christ (but faith working through love.) by being mislead by false doctrines of men that attempt to put a man under the yoke of slavery by teaching that a man is justified by the works of the law? (9A little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough.)

Verse 4 doesn't prove that a believer can loose God's grace, but it does prove that a believer can be mislead by false doctrines of men regarding faith even after Christ's work of salvation has begun in them....... Paul goes on to say......

Galatians 5:7 NASB
You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth?

Paul doesn't imply in this verse that they lost God's grace or that they lost their salvation here; but instead tells them they were hindered in their faith by false doctrine that taught justification by works of the law performed in faith other than "faith working through love".

Galatians 5:10 NASB
I have confidence in you in the Lord that you will adopt no other view; but the one who is disturbing you will bear his judgment, whoever he is.

"Will adopt no other view",....... Paul didn't say to them...... game over, you lost God's grace and your salvation.......

the potency of verse 4 rests in the fact that twice in the verse he make it clear you are no longer a part of Christ...You have been severed from Christ.....you have fallen from grace.....There is no way one can have salvation severed from Christ and there is no way one can be saved fallen from grace...

vs 7 is also clear ...they were running well...but were hindered from obeying the truth...

In verse 10-13 he is showing the position can be reversed....

 

[BradC]

you are try to say future sins are already forgiven before they are committed...scripture does not teach that...
2 Peter 1:9
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
if you commit a sin how can you say you are not guilty of that sin??if you confess that you sinned you are admitting guilt..your future sins are not charged to Christ ...your future sins are your sins and you need to confess them and he forgives you..


Christ takes responsibility for the sins you committed before you answered his call....when you repented you were also making a pledge not to sin again(to follow Christ)....you promised to turn away from sin...the onus is upon you to keep your promise(to follow him)...he helps us in our weakness if we sin when we confess he forgives us.....your doctrine is false Christ does not lock you in ....one is free in Christ...one of the biggest word in the gospel is.. if....

Christ takes responsibility for the sins you committed before you answered his call....when you repented you were also making a pledge not to sin again(to follow Christ)....you promised to turn away from sin...the onus is upon you to keep your promise(to follow him)...he helps us in our weakness if we sin when we confess he forgives us.....your doctrine is false Christ does not lock you in ....one is free in Christ...one of thle biggest word in the gospel is.. if....

This is where you err. We never make a pledge to never sin again, but we do put our trust in the power of God and through his grace to keep us from sin and to restore us when we sin. To follow Christ does not mean to refrain from sin but to continue in our faith to follow hard after the Lord no matter what happens in our life despite our sin and faults. We are not to be occupied with sin for it has been crucified, we are to be occupied with Christ and confess the finished work. Believers who are taught the finished work are always having a problem with sin and are never free from its power to dominate their life. The finished work sets the believer free from the bondage of sin having dominion in the life of the believer. Many are not free from the effects of sin in their life even when they confess and repent from sin. Why is that! The reason is because they do not have the doctrine of the finished work established in their heart through the Spirit of GRACE. They are not free from the law of sin and death in their experience and live in condemnation. We can not legislate repentance or confession of sin without providing God's provision of grace through the finished work.​

 

[BradC]

Christ takes responsibility for the sins you committed before you answered his call....when you repented you were also making a pledge not to sin again(to follow Christ)....you promised to turn away from sin...the onus is upon you to keep your promise(to follow him)...he helps us in our weakness if we sin when we confess he forgives us.....your doctrine is false Christ does not lock you in ....one is free in Christ...one of thle biggest word in the gospel is.. if....

This is where you err. We never make a pledge to never sin again, but we do put our trust in the power of God and through his grace to keep us from sin and to restore us when we sin. To follow Christ does not mean to refrain from sin but to continue in our faith to follow hard after the Lord no matter what happens in our life despite our sin and faults. We are not to be occupied with sin for it has been crucified, we are to be occupied with Christ and confess the finished work. Believers who are taught the finished work are always having a problem with sin and are never free from its power to dominate their life. The finished work sets the believer free from the bondage of sin having dominion in the life of the believer. Many are not free from the effects of sin in their life even when they confess and repent from sin. Why is that! The reason is because they do not have the doctrine of the finished work established in their heart through the Spirit of GRACE. They are not free from the law of sin and death in their experience and live in condemnation. We can not legislate repentance or confession of sin without providing God's provision of grace through the finished work.​

Believers who are taught the finished work...

should be... Believers who are NOT taught the finished work

 

[newbirth]

This is where you err. We never make a pledge to never sin again, but we do put our trust in the power of God and through his grace to keep us from sin and to restore us when we sin. To follow Christ does not mean to refrain from sin but to continue in our faith to follow hard after the Lord no matter what happens in our life despite our sin and faults. We are not to be occupied with sin for it has been crucified, we are to be occupied with Christ and confess the finished work. Believers who are taught the finished work are always having a problem with sin and are never free from its power to dominate their life. The finished work sets the believer free from the bondage of sin having dominion in the life of the believer. Many are not free from the effects of sin in their life even when they confess and repent from sin. Why is that! The reason is because they do not have the doctrine of the finished work established in their heart through the Spirit of GRACE. They are not free from the law of sin and death in their experience and live in condemnation. We can not legislate repentance or confession of sin without providing God's provision of grace through the finished work.
​

1 Peter 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
Romans 6:1
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?




Romans 6:6
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

the potency of verse 4 rests in the fact that twice in the verse he make it clear you are no longer a part of Christ...You have been severed from Christ.....you have fallen from grace.....There is no way one can have salvation severed from Christ and there is no way one can be saved fallen from grace...

vs 7 is also clear ...they were running well...but were hindered from obeying the truth...

In verse 10-13 he is showing the position can be reversed....

You caught that verse 10-13 shows the position can be reversed but could it also show that Paul has confidence in them;that they will adopt no other view, because Paul knows that Christ saves to the uttermost once the process of salvation has begun?
If you fall off a bike does it disappear?...... no, and neither does salvation once the process has started. When a believer falls out of God's graces, it's just like falling off a bike. The bike is still there it doesn't disappear when we fall off it. In regards to our salvation; one doesn't jump back on the bike but Christ puts him right back on the bike. God spoke this correction through Paul via/dia the Spirit to bring edification to the Galatians just like picking someone up and putting them back on a bike and back on track.
We always do well to warn our brothers and sisters to walk in a upright and loving Christian way and that's fine and commendable we should all do our best to turn from our sins in repentance and walk in faith in Christ but to suggest that a person will lose the salvation of their souls completely by making a mistake in faith other than blaspheming the Holy Spirit is erroneous and says God can not save you without you being perfect and sinless. Who here has ever been perfect and without sin present in them?......you? me? the apostles?......no, the only perfect man without sin present in Him is Christ Jesus, and guess what? He loved us first, and gave us this mind and heart to trust in Him completely for our salvation through faith and not to be put under the yoke and slavery of carnal minded doctrines and laws of works dictated by man's reasoning's that teach us to fear for imminent death and that we will lose our salvation,His Holy Spirit, or graces because we made a mistake here or there. That is what is being promoted here, a carnally dictated doctrine that says if we sin and aren't perfect we will all die and lose our salvation. Christ says if you believe in me you will not die (John 11:26). We call Him our Savior because He saves us from our sins completely. What kind of hope does the kind of teaching that says if you sin you will die offer to all of us sinners and believers in Christ trusting in Him to save us? Be a good boy or girl or you will die?

 

[kennethcadwell]

Your conclusion makes the atonement based upon our confession of sin and not based in our confession of the finished work of the cross. We are to confess our sin in relationship to the cross and its atonement and not in relationship to ourselves and what we have done. Yes we are the ones who have been convicted by the Holy Spirit and we agree with him on that, but all sin has been wiped away. If we sin (and we may or may not) we have an advocate with the Father, one who pleads our case letting the Father know that sin can not be laid to our charge for it was laid upon Him, Jesus Christ the righteous, and he crucified it. Our confession of sin is not made to say that we are guilty, even though we are, but our confession of sin is made to make acknowledge of the atonement and upon whom our sin was charged to.

That is what the passage is saying in (1 John 1 & 2), it is encouraging us not to sin but if we do we have an advocate and our confession is based upon that advocacy and not upon our guilt for all sin was placed upon and charged to Jesus. We have been accepted in the beloved and we are complete in Him when we first believed in Christ and the cross. That accepted position never changes and we have been sealed and locked in by grace through faith and not through a confession of sin. It is Christ's confession about us that we confess in this life and we abide in that confession for it is the truth. The more we abide in that confession of the finished work the more we put off sin and hate those things of the flesh.

The passage in 1 John says you have to confess that future sin first in 1:9 before our advocate in the Lord cleanses us of that sin. It has confession first, which is what I said previously that you have done like others and want to cancel the confession first part out. The finished work on the cross was just the debt for sins paid in full by His own blood, so that no more sacrifices are needed. However to receive that remission by His blood He says we still need to repent, confess, and yes even baptized. I showed you also by Peter and Paul how they both said only previous and present time and repentance were wiped out, and future sins still have to be confessed so that they can receive remission. That is the whole point of times of refreshing that come in our life is all about that Acts 3:19 talks about. The bible clearly says that as a born again believer if you do sin again, you should fell Godly sorrow for that sin, which would be the Holy Spirit convicting you.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Galatians 5:1-4 NASB
It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery. 2Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law.4 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

Could it be that Galatians 5 is a warning not to waiver out of faith in Christ (but faith working through love.) by being mislead by false doctrines of men that attempt to put a man under the yoke of slavery by teaching that a man is justified by the works of the law? (9A little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough.)

Verse 4 doesn't prove that a believer can loose God's grace, but it does prove that a believer can be mislead by false doctrines of men regarding faith even after Christ's work of salvation has begun in them....... Paul goes on to say......

Galatians 5:7 NASB
You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth?

Paul doesn't imply in this verse that they lost God's grace or that they lost their salvation here; but instead tells them they were hindered in their faith by false doctrine that taught justification by works of the law performed in faith other than "faith working through love".

Galatians 5:10 NASB
I have confidence in you in the Lord that you will adopt no other view; but the one who is disturbing you will bear his judgment, whoever he is.

"Will adopt no other view",....... Paul didn't say to them...... game over, you lost God's grace and your salvation.......

Keep reading in chapter 5 as Paul is saying they can come back in repentance, and are not completely lost yet do to him being there to warn them. But still states to them that if they continue to walk in the flesh, which is sins, and theirs was justification by the law. Then he tells them in verse 21 they will not inherit the kingdom of heaven, because walking in sins is contrary to walking in the Spirit, and Paul says you can not do both.

 

[BradC]

1 Peter 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
Romans 6:1
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?




Romans 6:6
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

You are being 'knit picky' about what you have highlighted in blue. To follow Christ means that we follow by faith just as we are, with weaknesses, failures, sin, shortcomings, immaturity, wrong understanding, maladjustments, small faith, little knowledge but with a heart that is after God. In all these areas we learn to take up our cross in the love of God. The disciples were just like that and they walked with the living God. Blessed are those who have not seen him yet believe. If you are mature in Christ you should understand that and concur with it wholeheartedly.