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Hizikyah

Hizikyah

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p_rehbein said:
And, as I continue to read..............people have strayed far from the intent of the OP, but that's no big surprise. They have gone directly into Theological Ideology of certain churches/groups...........

The sole intent of the OP was to focus on the ONE WORD "believeth," and it's various uses/meanings in the original text. Not to justify any Theological Ideology, or disprove any..............

From what you have Brother Hizikyah, the only way I see to have the words of Jesus agree in John and Matthew is by the usage of believeth as meaning "to continue in/never stopping."

But that's just me.............

Thank you for your efforts...............and sorry to have caught you up in argumentative ideology........

God bless
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I felt like Yah taught me a lesson in this because I need a daily reminder of "keep the faith" and "endure till the end" so ty and supreme thanks to Yah!

and we all need a daily reminder of "keep the faith" and "endure till the end"! :)
 
p_rehbein

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(will avoid any argumentative commentary............)


this part of my comment was not directed at you Brother............oops, sorry...........sigh........should have made that more clear.
 
Hizikyah

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p_rehbein said:
(will avoid any argumentative commentary............)


this part of my comment was not directed at you Brother............oops, sorry...........sigh........should have made that more clear.
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np brother.

1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."
 
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psychomom

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Hizikyah said:
it np :) P_rehbein is my loving brother I know he meant no ill will, the other time.... im not so sure but IDK. TY though you are very kind!
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no, i could see right away that P_r meant no ill.
but it must be startling to see. ;)
 
p_rehbein

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sadly, I wasn't even aware that there was another thread..............goodness...........nothing gets past me does it....... :(
 
Hizikyah

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psychomom said:
no, i could see right away that P_r meant no ill.
but it must be startling to see. ;)
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when i read the title yeah, in my mind i thoulg "ohhh man not this again", but when I realized he was thread started, I thought "well lets see?" so yeah at first i was :eek: "eek"

when I read it :)
 
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p_rehbein said:
sadly, I wasn't even aware that there was another thread..............goodness...........nothing gets past me does it....... :(
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you're good, psr. ♥

some things are better left unknown. lol
 
p_rehbein

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considering the question in the OP, I thought my Brother Hiz best to ask............


(next time I'll use his "code name....." hehe)
 
Hizikyah

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I am honored.......and scared and humbled!

I honestly think it was a lesson for me also.
 
dcontroversal

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newbirth said:
Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
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πιστεύω= Formally in the N.T. and in classical Greek the word mean and denotes reliance, trust, and belief and or to believe...the verb is often used for believing God's word....some uses also sets forth the following principles...

To believe is to obey
To believe is to trust into
To believe is to hope and or have hope

The verb follows much of the same pattern of the noun...and carries the idea...to receive the message and my denote to be believing and or to believe and or hope.......

Combined with aorist tense verb of (is having everlasting life) to me sets to rest what has been said.....
 
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Good thread guys it was a learning experience to sharpen your tools I see this glorifies Christ when minds be edyfied
 
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Kaycie

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It's been maybe fifteen years since I studied the original language on that. I remember something about how it meant belief was the door, but that more was needed to enter it. I remember something about the instructor saying if he walks up to a house door, that that doesn't mean he's inside the house.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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the greek word for 'believe' is actually the same greek word for 'faith' being used as a verb...literally when you are saying 'i believe' in greek you would be saying 'i faith'...
 
crossnote

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All this theological smoke and mirrors.

Believe: (as found in Jn 3:16)
πιστεύω : pisteúō ( G4100 ) code: art,pap Definite Article (also see Anarthrous ); Present Active Participle (also see Active Voice , Participle )

As Rehbein initially said it is in the present tense and indicates a continuing 'believing'.
 
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crossnote said:
All this theological smoke and mirrors.

Believe: (as found in Jn 3:16)
πιστεύω : pisteúō ( G4100 ) code: art,pap Definite Article (also see Anarthrous ); Present Active Participle (also see Active Voice , Participle )

As Rehbein initially said it is in the present tense and indicates a continuing 'believing'.
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I dont think anyone said the definition of true belief meant anything but continued.
 
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newbirth

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RachelBibleStudent said:
the greek word for 'believe' is actually the same greek word for 'faith' being used as a verb...literally when you are saying 'i believe' in greek you would be saying 'i faith'...
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and scripture says ...

Romans 10:17

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.





James 1:21-23King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

[SUP]22 [/SUP]But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:



it is clear those who think that they are eternally saved the moment they believe are in error...
 
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newbirth

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crossnote said:
All this theological smoke and mirrors.

Believe: (as found in Jn 3:16)
πιστεύω : pisteúō ( G4100 ) code: art,pap Definite Article (also see Anarthrous ); Present Active Participle (also see Active Voice , Participle )

As Rehbein initially said it is in the present tense and indicates a continuing 'believing'.
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and what is the point of believing if you don't do and continue doing what you believe????
it is like saying ...faith without works is dead...
 
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newbirth

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dcontroversal said:
πιστεύω= Formally in the N.T. and in classical Greek the word mean and denotes reliance, trust, and belief and or to believe...the verb is often used for believing God's word....some uses also sets forth the following principles...

To believe is to obey
To believe is to trust into
To believe is to hope and or have hope

The verb follows much of the same pattern of the noun...and carries the idea...to receive the message and my denote to be believing and or to believe and or hope.......

Combined with aorist tense verb of (is having everlasting life) to me sets to rest what has been said.....
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then the question is do you think that belief is simply in the mind or is it combined with your actions....

James 1:21-23King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

[SUP]22 [/SUP]But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
 
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P_R.

thanks so much for asking such a productive question -
my wife and I totally enjoyed reading the comments.
You certainly asked the 'right-person'.

no matter what theological ground we each may stand-on,
our inter-action with each other and how we bring ourselves across
hopefully our purpose will always be to speak with loving, good, manners...
we all love to see another's Light shine.:)

the lessons and the producing of Spiritual Fruit in the thread,
they speak for themselves and we would love to see more
like-minded conversations in Christ - even though we may
disagree on certain points of beliefs.



Bottom Line =
for those of us who claim Christ's Love -
we should certainly always Love one another -
For out of the mouth proceeds the abundance of the HEART.'
 
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Hizikyah said:

This, belief and faith is a life long thing, not I woke up one morning and believed and im fully sealed now, done I can do anything now, and then I changed my mind but Im still saved.
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This just show how reckless you and others are in your thinking to describe such a person to justify your error in doctrine. That is a terrible way of establishing the truth. I don't care if what you describe exists or not (and I doubt it) because you are not dealing with people like that on this site who believe in positional truth and salvation by grace through faith. I have been saved for (40+) years and been exposed to thousands of professing believers from all over the world and never met one who lives that way that you have described, not even in the Jesus movement in the early 70's. Some of you need to grow up and stop being so juvenile in your thinking about what we have in Christ. If this offends you, then be offended and seek out the truth through the Spirit under a man of God who has been raised up. You have not got it right on your own so maybe it's time to submit yourself under the mighty hand of God. You won't get the truth any other way. The meek shall He teach (Psalm 25:8,9).
 
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