Your take was unusual and had its advantages. However, the issue still boils down to what the ground of Abraham's election is. Did God's "foreknowledge" of Abraham's actions have any "part" in His choosing of Him - or not? Is foreseeing of the "right choices" an integral part of God's election or is right choices made as a result of God working in those He has chosen, without any foreseeing of "right choices"?
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That would be an assumption. I would not want to even go there..
If you just had a dream from someone you did not know. would you immediately obay? Human nature says we only obey those we already trust, or those put in charge over us.. And then,, if their is really no trust, we will only obey what we want, we did this as kids.
If you just had a dream from someone you did not know. would you immediately obay? Human nature says we only obey those we already trust, or those put in charge over us.. And then,, if their is really no trust, we will only obey what we want, we did this as kids.
I say what is right. That I don't accept that doctrine is not the same thing as not accepting anything than what I think. And, fine with me. You don't need to talk to me at all. Just drop it. I am not interested in your agreement. I can also say enough as I have already seen through your despising and scorning (which you have tried to hide) is just showing what you are up to. Serious stuff. Hopefully you'll repent and come out of the cave.
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Yes youve noticed me the last couple days after you went off on everyone.
Dont call it scorn, nor make it into some creepy despising dealy. Or say im hiding it
after ive made it very clear publically. Your acting above your paygrade and not
Ill say it again NOT obeying scripture in your actions. OK? you clear now?
Dont call it scorn, nor make it into some creepy despising dealy. Or say im hiding it
after ive made it very clear publically. Your acting above your paygrade and not
Ill say it again NOT obeying scripture in your actions. OK? you clear now?
You are still not getting it. Your use of the term "foreseeing" and "foreknowledge" indicate that you do not understand my argument.
God knows all truth as part of His nature. Knowing Truth is as much a part of His nature as omniscience and omnipotence. In fact, it fits in that word "omniscience".
God does not view time as we do. He sees Truth. It is part of His nature to know all events in time. It is not something that He views or foresees. It is our nature to sin. We don't have to learn to sin. It comes naturally. It is God's nature to know all Truth. He doesn't have to learn it, or foresee it.
God chose Abraham because of the truth He knew to be that Abraham would respond to grace the way that he did.
This is a difficult concept. But it is more difficult for me to believe that God created certain people with the express purpose of sending them to Hell.
That may be true. And God can do as He wishes and He doesn't have to explain Himself to me, but it goes against what I believe to be God's nature of love and justice.
God knows all truth as part of His nature. Knowing Truth is as much a part of His nature as omniscience and omnipotence. In fact, it fits in that word "omniscience".
God does not view time as we do. He sees Truth. It is part of His nature to know all events in time. It is not something that He views or foresees. It is our nature to sin. We don't have to learn to sin. It comes naturally. It is God's nature to know all Truth. He doesn't have to learn it, or foresee it.
God chose Abraham because of the truth He knew to be that Abraham would respond to grace the way that he did.
This is a difficult concept. But it is more difficult for me to believe that God created certain people with the express purpose of sending them to Hell.
That may be true. And God can do as He wishes and He doesn't have to explain Himself to me, but it goes against what I believe to be God's nature of love and justice.
It wasn't "everyone" and it wasn't without a reason. You looked for a reason to go against me and thought you find an excuse to do so. Then your despise, scorn and envy (that was only subtly seen or hinted at in earlier posts) came out in the open. Your colors showed off as no "friend" at all, though you wanted to masquerade as such. The purpose of your activity here at cc is clear to me now and I see it as meaningless to further discuss with you. You speaking of "obeying scripture" I can not take seriously seeing this. Sad as that is. But let's drop this then.
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Tribesman theres not a thing i can do about your imagination. Ill admit i dont like your doctrine ok?
But you know ive been kind to you.
No im not gunning for you. Im not even in total disagreement with some here who have
some error in their teaching to be admonished, even slight rebuke. But you did go way
too far...then started on the ladies, then some elders....think what you want.
Im not doing whatever spooky thing your describing.
You see my purpose huh? ok then.
But you know ive been kind to you.
No im not gunning for you. Im not even in total disagreement with some here who have
some error in their teaching to be admonished, even slight rebuke. But you did go way
too far...then started on the ladies, then some elders....think what you want.
Im not doing whatever spooky thing your describing.
You see my purpose huh? ok then.
God is fully justified in sending anyone to Hell as everyone has broken His Law. But when you combine His love in sending His Son to die on the cross to justify our sins, it seems that if everyone is guilty, and God is no respecter of persons, why would He choose to limit the atonement to only a few?
I am not claiming to know the answers. I do know that God is Holy and just in all that He does, whether or not I understand it. I am just trying to find something that makes sense to me and does not contradict the Word of God. If my idea is unbiblical, then show me. I will accept it and move on.
I am not claiming to know the answers. I do know that God is Holy and just in all that He does, whether or not I understand it. I am just trying to find something that makes sense to me and does not contradict the Word of God. If my idea is unbiblical, then show me. I will accept it and move on.
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WOW!!! I'm fairly new here, these kind of conversations have their difficulties...and their pleasures.
I am on the other side of the world from most of you, so I go to bed and when I wake up - over a hundred posts to respond to. I wish I could take the time to respond to each one that deserves a response but....that would be an impossible task. So I lose control of 'my' thread....Which also has its advantages, I suppose.
I am on the other side of the world from most of you, so I go to bed and when I wake up - over a hundred posts to respond to. I wish I could take the time to respond to each one that deserves a response but....that would be an impossible task. So I lose control of 'my' thread....Which also has its advantages, I suppose.