Revelation 12 Sign: September 23,2017

[DaveWatchman]

if you search the above,there are tons of videos showing that the alignment of the stars in september 23 is the sign of Rev. 12.

Jesus did said to watch the signs, I would like to know your opinion?

I think that it's a good idea to watch the signs. Jesus said if we don't, He'll come upon us as a thief.

And you will not know the hour when I will come upon you.

What I think about it is spooky. I think that it shows how we are at the end, how we are at the third watch of the night. But I don't think anything is going to happen on 9/23. Something might happen on that day, but if it doesn't, don't stop watching.

So I don't mind if the debunkers make fun. I laughed at the guy who brought up the age of aquarius song. Now that song is going to be stuck in my head.

Let the sunshine,
let the sunshine in,
the sunshine in

 

[watcher2013]

remember the three kings who followed the star...how could the star show the location of the new born king and yet it did.

john specifically said great wonders/sign in heaven....
and why would john describe that the moon was under her feet....unless it was shown to him that way.

and asked, “Where is the one who was born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him.”

 

[hornetguy]

Well.... I'm as ready as Jesus can make me.

Guess I should comb my hair.... oh, wait....

 

[watcher2013]

THE CONCEPTION COMET....

The 42 week gestation of Jupiter
It was also discovered that the apparent retrograde of Jupiter in the womb of Virgo was preceded by C/2017 E1 (Comet Borisov) which is being called the Conception Comet. This comet traveled from the loins of the constellation Leo to the womb of the constellation Virgo just before the entrance of Jupiter into the womb. Some proponents of the Revelation 12 Sign are suggesting that this comet represented the divine insemination of the woman, which subsequently produced the male child (Jupiter). This will be the comet's only trip through our solar system as it is not a solar orbital.

 

[watcher2013]

I think that it's a good idea to watch the signs. Jesus said if we don't, He'll come upon us as a thief.

And you will not know the hour when I will come upon you.

What I think about it is spooky. I think that it shows how we are at the end, how we are at the third watch of the night. But I don't think anything is going to happen on 9/23. Something might happen on that day, but if it doesn't, don't stop watching.

So I don't mind if the debunkers make fun. I laughed at the guy who brought up the age of aquarius song. Now that song is going to be stuck in my head.

Let the sunshine,
let the sunshine in,
the sunshine in

let us remember that a sign is shown prior to the event...so the event might take few days after that sign to be notice.

there is also a sign which probably we cannot see for it relates to war in heaven/ war of angels...if war on heaven start and end that day. i expect to see bright falling stars (angel) from heaven like meteorites

 

[watcher2013]

I would suggest that gazing at the stars is not a source of Christian faith..

Christ said its an evil generation, the generation of natural man who does walk by sight requiring a sign before they will believe as those that do seek after signs. And the last sign as a wonder (a faith principle) has been given and fulfilled the sign of Noah. He will come as a thief in the night.

diffirence between astronomy and astrology..
luke 21:25
“There will be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars, and there will be distress on earth among the nations that are confused by the roaring of the sea and its waves.

 

[loveme1]

actually it destroys the 1st assumption of pre tribbers the rapture of rev 4.
now those pre tribbers are shifting to the man child who was caught up...and argued that jesus wad not caught up but ascend.

pre tribbers will do anything to match their belief.

I think fear leads people to want to escape whatever comes to pass.. and I understand that somewhat.. but When GOD is for you nothing comes against you unless it is suppose to for whatever reason. The concern is that those that are expecting to be took before Great troubles will not be Spiritualy prepared with GOD's full armour on.. but we all have to be strengthened by GOD through whatever we face while in our mortal abiding on earth waiting to go home but know patience is a must...

 

[Bogadile]

Feel free to respond to this message on September 24th after nothing happened.

 

[Ahwatukee]

actually it destroys the 1st assumption of pre tribbers the rapture of rev 4.
now those pre tribbers are shifting to the man child who was caught up...and argued that jesus wad not caught up but ascend.

pre tribbers will do anything to match their belief.

Greetings watcher2013,

Interpreting Jesus as the male child is a knee jerk interpretation. The fact is that, the male child is "caught up" which is the same word "Harpazo" used regarding the living church at the time of the resurrection when they are caught up. The word is defined as "properly, seize by force; snatch up, suddenly and decisively."

In keeping with the context, Jesus was not snatched up, but was devoured/crucified, buried, resurrected and later ascended to the Father's right hand. Jesus does not fit the criteria of the male child.

I do not do anything to match my belief. I don't follow the crowd. But I pay attention to the details and interpret scripture at face value.

The events of Revelation 12 are literal future events that will take place.

The woman clothed with sun, with the moon under her feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars, is revealed to be the nation Israel (Gen.37:9-10).

The woman gives birth to a male child, which is a collective name for the 144,000 who will be those who come out of Israel who will recognize Jesus as their Messiah, which is what the woman "gives birth to" is referring to. Unbelieving Israel gives birth to 144,000 believers in Jesus as Messiah. As further support of this, the 144,000 are identified as being all males, ergo, male child.

Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth, which is the on-going process of the authority of the

After Satan is cast to the earth, the woman who give birth to the male child will flee out into the desert where she will be cared for by God during the last 3 1/2 where at which time Christ will return.

I hope that you will truly look into and consider this without bias.

 

[KALYNA18]

No rapture. Bible says no man knows the day or the hour. But Revelation LT and every island disappeared and all the mountains were leveled. Ezekiel 13:13 I will make a stormy wind break out in my wrath,. I will make a violent wind break out in my wrath, There will also be in my anger a flooding rain, and hailstones to consume it in wrath.

 

[watcher2013]

Greetings watcher2013,

Interpreting Jesus as the male child is a knee jerk interpretation. The fact is that, the male child is "caught up" which is the same word "Harpazo" used regarding the living church at the time of the resurrection when they are caught up. The word is defined as "properly, seize by force; snatch up, suddenly and decisively."

In keeping with the context, Jesus was not snatched up, but was devoured/crucified, buried, resurrected and later ascended to the Father's right hand. Jesus does not fit the criteria of the male child.

I do not do anything to match my belief. I don't follow the crowd. But I pay attention to the details and interpret scripture at face value.

The events of Revelation 12 are literal future events that will take place.

The woman clothed with sun, with the moon under her feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars, is revealed to be the nation Israel (Gen.37:9-10).

The woman gives birth to a male child, which is a collective name for the 144,000 who will be those who come out of Israel who will recognize Jesus as their Messiah, which is what the woman "gives birth to" is referring to. Unbelieving Israel gives birth to 144,000 believers in Jesus as Messiah. As further support of this, the 144,000 are identified as being all males, ergo, male child.

Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth, which is the on-going process of the authority of the

After Satan is cast to the earth, the woman who give birth to the male child will flee out into the desert where she will be cared for by God during the last 3 1/2 where at which time Christ will return.

I hope that you will truly look into and consider this without bias.

before this rev 12 signs became famous...it is always interpreted that the church is the bride....not the male child.

rev 12 is identifying the woman..
who is this woman;
-by the way this woman has male child who now is in the throne in heaven
- her children are those who keep the commandments of God; (to whom God gave the commandment)
yes it was Israel.

but also as part of her children are those who keep the testimony of Jesus Christ. (believers)

however to put the moon under her feet is a diffetent thing. it os a great sign in heaven....

 

[garee]

diffirence between astronomy and astrology..
luke 21:25
“There will be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars, and there will be distress on earth among the nations that are confused by the roaring of the sea and its waves.

No sign as a law to seek after as a source of faith will be given other than the sign of Noah .It has come to pass .

The signs you offered I believe would be signs of observation .Not that which we are required seek after as a source of faith or wonder. . It s simply speaking about things that have been going on since the moment God corrupted this creation just as it was in Noah s time .. then like a thief in the night on the last in Spirit he comes. The end of this creation as the new incorruptible heaven and earth appear. The Sun and moon needed as signs to help us understand prophecy will be under the feet of His new bride. The end of time as we know it has come. The wedding supper begins.

There is a difference between signs alone. and signs and wonders(one thing) .... wonders are the faith principle that draw us to believe God .

 

[watcher2013]

10 And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?

even Jacob rebuked joseph....now how you gonna explain that the moon was under her feet

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I would suggest that gazing at the stars is not a source of Christian faith..

Christ said its an evil generation, the generation of natural man who does walk by sight requiring a sign before they will believe as those that do seek after signs. And the last sign as a wonder (a faith principle) has been given and fulfilled the sign of Noah. He will come as a thief in the night.

I don't think anyone here is seeking a sign before they will believe - they are already believers.

It also says there will be signs in the sun, moon, stars - no one sought that as a sign but God Himself pronounced it. So I think it's okay to wonder.

 

[garee]

Interpreting Jesus as the male child is a knee jerk interpretation. The fact is that, the male child is "caught up" which is the same word "Harpazo" used regarding the living church at the time of the resurrection when they are caught up. The word is defined as "properly, seize by force; snatch up, suddenly and decisively."

I think knee jerking would be the beginning of birth pains. The caught up is the first resurrection that followed in the twinkling of the eye .”It is finished “the graves were opened and the saints that did have the Spirit of Christ in them entered in .Witnessed by many angels when their souls entered the Holy City of many mansions prepared as the bride of Christ.

Those on earth witnessed the darkening of the Sun and the earth quake revealing he who has no form did come in the flesh for a demonstration .(the first resurrection ). .

The spiritual meaning in that parable(Revelation 12) is hidden from those who walk by sight. The woman is the bride of Christ .

I would offer the scriptures inform us to compare the spiritual not seen understanding to the same not seen, the faith principle found in 2 Corithian 4:18..

Remember the bride of Christ is considered the segregate mother of us all . We as new creatures are no longer are required to know each other after the flesh. When studying in order to seek the approval of our God we do not look at male or female , Jew nor gentile. but a new creature ,the bride.Christ our husbands wife.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Paul understood by faith that as a segregate mother who did suffer as in pains of birth how much work offering the gospel to Timothy was needed until Christ was formed in Timothy the work of evangelism can cause pain in that way

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

In that way holding out the gospel in a hope God would apply to the heart of Timothy .He too would be a member as a chaste virgin bride as one who did not fornicate with other gods in anticipation by faith of the wedding supper in the new heavens and earth.

Timothy like all believers would be one of the virgins that did have oil (the gospel)

Like all mothers making good decisions zealous for the love of her husband Christ they offer the gospel the incorruptible seed by which all who hear and believe become member as the bride of Christ. .

2Co 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

 

[garee]

I don't think anyone here is seeking a sign before they will believe - they are already believers.

It also says there will be signs in the sun, moon, stars - no one sought that as a sign but God Himself pronounced it. So I think it's okay to wonder.

I am not accusing anyone of seeking after a sign, only God can see into our heart . Its the principle I was thinking of. It has nothing to with the stars and star gazers as a source of Christian faith in there arrangement on September 23. That's another gospel. Called the gospel of the stars. Christians walk by faith (the unseen ) .

 

[Ahwatukee]

I think knee jerking would be the beginning of birth pains.

The above has nothing to do with what I was talking about. It is a knee-jerk reaction to interpret the male child as being Jesus, for one, because that is what everyone else claims and 2, because it's a male child who comes out of Israel, then it must be Jesus.

You're not even talking about the same subject garee!

 

[oldhermit]

Wait,,, back in y2k several of our members went into underground shelters and sealed themselves off. Just a thought did anyone go to their shelter in 2001 and beat on the door and tell them it was a dud or are they still there?...

This is the kind of hysteria that I have come to expect from mellinialists. Like all of the predictions of mellinnialists in the past, that day will come and go and nothing will happen which means they will have to readjust their interpretations of scripture find some other event they can attach to their new reading of the text. What do they think Rev 12 is talking about?

 

[IamWhoIam]

Just curious how would a person actually see all the planets lined up in row?

 

[Yahweh_is_gracious]

Hopefully I remember to get online the 24th to see all the retractions from the date-setters and to see what kind of leaps of logic the folks making videos on YouTube use to explain how they were "wrong but not wrong". Might be very entertaining.