Revelation 12 Sign: September 23,2017

[shrume]

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

It has nothing to do with stars,and planets,or any ordinances of heaven.

All you're doing is giving your opinion.

I think the world is getting tired of all the predictions that people give,Jesus is coming back on this date,and the antichrist will appear on this date,and the resurrection will happen on this date,and the Jews will rebuild their temple on this here date.

The more they do that,and it does not happen,the more the world says,those silly Christians,and altogether want nothing to do with them,especially when the new age movement says people are still evolving,and can evolve through the power of nature,and be more than their current position,and evolution is already a big belief among many people,so this will sound logical,and right,to them.

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People have to stop putting dates on this,and dates on that,as if they know,and let them happen,if they happen,because it will be disappointing to the world if it does not happen,and eventually they will not want to hear anymore.

This is somewhat true. People who assert with certainty that Jesus Christ will return on such-and-such a date are wrong, and their continually being wrong does hurt the credibility of Christians, and Christianity.

Nothing is going to happen this month,and we should take some bets concerning this,at least we can make a little money from it.

The Rev 12:1-2 sign will be fulfilled. What it specifically means, and whether or not anything will happen on that date remains to be seen.

 

[watcher2013]

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

The above is symbolic language - nothing to do with the stars and planets.

vs 1, clearly said it...great wonder in heaven...

its true that sun with moon and twelve stars symbolize israel. but on this case it shows the position of the constellations with the woman.

the problem with pre tribbers is they relate this to rapture which isnt.
the importance about this sign is the coming war on heaven after that the war Israel will have to face and persecution of believers.

 

[dcontroversal]

Well.... I'm as ready as Jesus can make me.

Guess I should comb my hair.... oh, wait....

You can get some insta-hair in a can and spray it on HAHAHHA JOKES of course

 

[Locutus]

This 12 stars are symbolic of the 12 tribes.

We see similar use of symbols in Joseph's dream:


Gen 37:9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.

Gen 37:10 And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?

More figurative language

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

2 Pet 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

 

[dcontroversal]

This is the kind of hysteria that I have come to expect from mellinialists. Like all of the predictions of mellinnialists in the past, that day will come and go and nothing will happen which means they will have to readjust their interpretations of scripture find some other event they can attach to their new reading of the text. What do they think Rev 12 is talking about?

Kind of like the following.....

This study explores Alexander Campbell’s response to the bold claims of William Miller and other nineteenth-century prognosticators that the return of the Lord was imminent. Campbell criticized the audacious certainty of their predictions and challenged their interpretations of these prophecies. Nevertheless, he did publish his belief that significant prophetic events were likely to be fulfilled in 1847 and then in 1866

 

[Locutus]

Just waiting for Pete's sake....

 

[posthuman]

And she gave birth to a son, a male child,
who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron
(Revelation 12:5)
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so Jesus is going to be born on September 23??

hooray, Christmas comes early this year!

 

[jb]

if you search the above,there are tons of videos showing that the alignment of the stars in september 23 is the sign of Rev. 12.

Jesus did said to watch the signs, I would like to know your opinion?

Dream On....!

 

[mj007]

I think signs happen coincidentally and somewhat in the moment, rather than pre-defined alignments.

 

[MarcR]

No one can say it will happen this day or that, but neither can anyone really say that it won't happen either, considering that WILL happen one day, as promised.

The odds that any one of us get one day in however many thousands right are slim, however, but they can be narrowed down by these scriptural c(l)ues, or so I would think.

Especially considering the recent roaring of the sea and surging of the waves, Luke 21:25-28 provides another hint to the day, or at least the season...

There will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and on the earth dismay among the nations, bewildered by the roaring of the sea and the surging of the waves.

Men will faint from fear and anxiety over what is coming upon the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

When these things begin to happen, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

I'm certainly NOT saying it will happen on that day. I an saying that this sign in light of current events tells us that it is not far off.

 

[dcontroversal]

I'm certainly NOT saying it will happen on that day. I an saying that this sign in light of current events tells us that it is not far off.

I agree...and to make the statement of Jesus about an evil and adulterous generation seeking after a sign as a go to or FIT ALL is ridiculous.....because in other places he said clearly when you all shall see ----------- in the heavens then look up for your redemption draweth nigh......They were seeking a sign from God as to who he was....it was not indicative of the end of the age and what transpires in that time frame........

 

[watcher2013]

And she gave birth to a son, a male child,
who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron
(Revelation 12:5)
​

so Jesus is going to be born on September 23??

hooray, Christmas comes early this year!

Rev 1:19
Therefore, write down what you have seen, what is, and what is going to happen after this

past, present, future

 

[watcher2013]

And she gave birth to a son, a male child,
who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron
(Revelation 12:5)
​

so Jesus is going to be born on September 23??

hooray, Christmas comes early this year!

5 She gave birth to a son, a boy, (past) who is to rule all the nations with an iron scepter (future). But her child was snatched away (past) and taken to God and to his throne (present).

 

[posthuman]

5 She gave birth to a son, a boy, (past) who is to rule all the nations with an iron scepter (future). But her child was snatched away (past) and taken to God and to his throne (present).

your supposed sign in the heavens just dissipated, dude.

if here appearance came before giving birth, and giving birth is past
then . . .
we're definitely not looking to a future arrangement of stars and planets etc in the sky to signify what has already happened thousands of years ago.

*poof*

 

[DaveWatchman]

Well.... I'm as ready as Jesus can make me.

Guess I should comb my hair.... oh, wait....

You can get some insta-hair in a can and spray it on HAHAHHA JOKES of course

That is so funny. You guys are cool. It's good to have a sense of humor.

I see this Revelation 12 sign a bit different than anyone else. I doubt that anything is going to happen on the 23rd. I think that whatever is going to happen is going to be big, but it should be between the middle weekend of November and the last day of the year. I could very well be wrong, but even with what I looked at today, I don't know what else we would need to know to be able to be 100% sure that this is for real.

Text isn't good enough to explain, it needs to be seen with the astronomy software. There's a couple new videos that do a pretty good job of showing this new comet. The data for c/2017e has to be downloaded and added to Stellarium. They're calling it the conception comet. It comes from out of deep space past, never been seen by a human before. And once you have it in your sights, it's just a dot right in front of Leo the Lion. And it looks like it's just sitting there, as far back as you want to set the date. 9999 years ago was fine for me.

Then it finally comes in and swings around and runs almost parallel with Jupiter in August and September 2016. They BOTH stop for a while and do a mini retrograde dance together before resuming their normal travel across the screen. Then in October 2016, the comet begins to get ahead of Jupiter and then enters into the Body of Virgo about 21 days before Jupiter does. Then just as Jupiter enters into the Virgins body, c/2017e exits and heads back out into deep space never to return. And then it just sits there on the screen in one spot as it goes back deeper and deeper into space. I ran it for 9999 years into the future.

My date calculator prints out triple sevens on the day that Jupiter enters, while the comet exits Virgo, I kid you not. If it ever does come back here, we will have become very comfortable in our new bodies and new homes in the earth made new by then. Watching c/2017e moving back out into space is remarkable. It remains in the same spot moving away from us while the date indicator is advanced to the year 9999. That was enough for me. I'm as close as I can be to 100% sure. Seeing this one time comet come right in and be a part of this once in 7000 year sign, if anybody had any doubts, I don't know what to tell you. Watching it all makes me weep.

Peaceful Sabbath.


[video=youtube;PRNKK_W2Cg4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRNKK_W2Cg4[/video]

 

[Ahwatukee]

5 She gave birth to a son, a boy, (past) who is to rule all the nations with an iron scepter (future). But her child was snatched away (past) and taken to God and to his throne (present).

Good day watcher2013! Actually it is as follows:

Tense: Aorist
Mood: Indicative
Voice: Active

In keeping with the meaning of the word "Harpazo" Jesus wasn't snatched away but was crucified, buried, resurrected and later ascended to the right hand of the Father. Therefore the word Harpazo does not fit with what happened with Jesus. I would also point out that the male child is snatched up before the dragon/Satan can devour/kill it. This was not the case with Jesus, for He was crucified.


Also, There are three that are mentioned as "ruling with a rod of iron:"

1). The church, as promised in the letter to Tyatira - (Rev.2:27)

2). The Male Child/144,000 - (Rev.5)

3). Jesus - (Rev.19:15)

The information regarding the woman, her giving birth, the dragon/Satan and his stars/angels being cast to the earth and the woman fleeing out into the desert to be cared for during that last 3 1/2 years, are all future events. The reference to the woman giving birth to a male child is a future event, not a flashback to the past. In fact everything from Revelation chapter 4 onward are future events, for they all fall under the "what must take place later" part of the what Jesus told John to write.

 

[Mem]

Yep, I'm lost again.

And that's without even looking through any of the Youtube videos.

 

[Ahwatukee]

When do you think is the time frame for the rapture, based on where we stand ?

Hey Wild!

The gathering of the church is the next prophecy to be fulfilled and that with no signs preceding it, except for the fact that we can see the stage being set for the events that will take place during the time of the beasts reign. Since believers in Christ are not appointed to suffer wrath and are rescued from it (Rom.5:9, 1 Thes.1:10, 5:9, Rev.3:10), then believers must be removed from the earth prior to God's coming wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which is initiated by the first seal being opened by the Lamb/Jesus.

Jesus said: "I will build my church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. Consequently, the building of the church is still in progress.

Once God has determined that the church has been completed, then the Lord will descend to the atmosphere with 1 Thes.4:13-17 taking place in fulfillment of Jesus' promise to come back and takes believers to the Father's house as found in John 14:1-3.

The key to understand the timing of events is found in Rev.1:19 Where Jesus told John to write:

What you have seen = Everything written from Rev.1:1 to Rev.1:19

What is now = Represented by the letters to the churches and which represents the entire church period

What will take place later = What will take place after the "what is now," i.e. after the church period

In Rev.4:1 John hears "a voice that sounds like a trumpet," which I believe is a clue to the reader, being synonymous with the "trumpet call of God" found in 1 Thes.4:16. That and the fact the end of chapter 3 is the last time we see the word church.

Throughout chapters 1 thru 3 the word "Ekklesia" translated as "church" is used 18 times. Within those same chapters you will not see the word "hagios" translated as "Saints," i.e. the two words are not used interchangeably. Likewise, from chapter 4 onward and beginning in 5:8, we see only the word "Hagios/Saints, but the word Ekklesia/Church is never used again.

I believe that when John is told "come up here and I will show you what will take place after this" that this is prophetic of the church being gathered at this point, which again, would also fit with the fact that the word church is never used again from this point forward. The next time we see the word church used is in Rev.22:16, which is outside of the narrative of God's wrath.

Therefore, in answer to your question, the gathering of the church is the next event to take place and is imminent, for there are no signs preceding it. Following that, the fulfillment of that last seven years of the decree and the wrath of God.

I hope this was helpful and that it answered your question.

 

[Wild]

Hey Wild!

The gathering of the church is the next prophecy to be fulfilled and that with no signs preceding it, except for the fact that we can see the stage being set for the events that will take place during the time of the beasts reign. Since believers in Christ are not appointed to suffer wrath and are rescued from it (Rom.5:9, 1 Thes.1:10, 5:9, Rev.3:10), then believers must be removed from the earth prior to God's coming wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which is initiated by the first seal being opened by the Lamb/Jesus.

Jesus said: "I will build my church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. Consequently, the building of the church is still in progress.

Once God has determined that the church has been completed, then the Lord will descend to the atmosphere with 1 Thes.4:13-17 taking place in fulfillment of Jesus' promise to come back and takes believers to the Father's house as found in John 14:1-3.

The key to understand the timing of events is found in Rev.1:19 Where Jesus told John to write:

What you have seen = Everything written from Rev.1:1 to Rev.1:19

What is now = Represented by the letters to the churches and which represents the entire church period

What will take place later = What will take place after the "what is now," i.e. after the church period

In Rev.4:1 John hears "a voice that sounds like a trumpet," which I believe is a clue to the reader, being synonymous with the "trumpet call of God" found in 1 Thes.4:16. That and the fact the end of chapter 3 is the last time we see the word church.

Throughout chapters 1 thru 3 the word "Ekklesia" translated as "church" is used 18 times. Within those same chapters you will not see the word "hagios" translated as "Saints," i.e. the two words are not used interchangeably. Likewise, from chapter 4 onward and beginning in 5:8, we see only the word "Hagios/Saints, but the word Ekklesia/Church is never used again.

I believe that when John is told "come up here and I will show you what will take place after this" that this is prophetic of the church being gathered at this point, which again, would also fit with the fact that the word church is never used again from this point forward. The next time we see the word church used is in Rev.22:16, which is outside of the narrative of God's wrath.

I hope this was helpful and that it answered your question.

Very concise and easy to understand. Thank you

 

[watcher2013]

your supposed sign in the heavens just dissipated, dude.

if here appearance came before giving birth, and giving birth is past
then . . .
we're definitely not looking to a future arrangement of stars and planets etc in the sky to signify what has already happened thousands of years ago.

*poof*

rev 12 was describing the woman that she-
gave birth to a boy
this boy was caught up by God to hia throne
- her children are those who keep the commandments of God.

now read the signs is also related to the war in heaven and what the dragon will do after h qas cast out of heaven
the dragon will persecute the woman and her children.
..boom