Revelation 12 Sign: September 23,2017

[Ahwatukee]

This is the kind of hysteria that I have come to expect from mellinialists. Like all of the predictions of mellinnialists in the past, that day will come and go and nothing will happen which means they will have to readjust their interpretations of scripture find some other event they can attach to their new reading of the text. What do they think Rev 12 is talking about?

Well, when you are watching your news and a seven year agreement is made with Israel, which allows them to build their temple, they you will know what time period you are in.

I will tell you exactly what is going to happen and I don't need to adjust anything and never have.

* The church is going to be gathered according to the Lord's promise in John 14:1-3 and 1 Thes.4:13-18

* That ruler, the antichrist, will make his seven year agreement with Israel in fulfillment of that last seven years of the seventy sevens found in Dan.9:24 and which will allow them to build their temple

* The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will continue throughout that entire seven years, God's wrath!

* In the middle of that seven years, the antichrist/beast is going to set up that abomination, which is synonymous with the image of the beast referred to in Revelation 13:14-15

* In the middle of that seven is also when Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth. During this time the beast will have authority over the great tribulation saints and the woman/Israel will be cared for out in the desert for that same last 3 1/2 years.

* Shortly after the 7th bowl is poured out, Jesus will return to the earth and the church with him, where the beast and the false prophet will be captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire.

* At that same time, an angel will seize Satan and thrown him into the Abyss and seal it over him for a literal thousand years

* The great tribulation saints who will have died during that seven year period, will be resurrected and along with the church and the 144,000, will rule the earth with Christ during that same literal thousand years in their immortal and glorified bodies.

I have never veered from my understanding of scripture in over the 40 years that I have been studying it, as taught by the Holy Spirit.

So when you see a very large number of people missing from the earth and a charismatic political leader who makes a seven year agreement with Israel, then you will understand that everything that I have been proclaiming to you and others is the truth. And it is coming regardless of what you believe.

 

[IamWhoIam]

This is the kind of hysteria that I have come to expect from mellinialists. Like all of the predictions of mellinnialists in the past, that day will come and go and nothing will happen which means they will have to readjust their interpretations of scripture find some other event they can attach to their new reading of the text. What do they think Rev 12 is talking about?

it's happened a few times lets go back just 1000 years, when the same chanting was being spewed out in these years below as well, The end times.

The basic arrangement happened in sept 1827, sept 1483, sept 1293, sept 1056

 

[Locutus]

Good find Mr. Who.


Biblical signs in the sky? | Astronomy Essentials | EarthSky

 

[watcher2013]

Good find Mr. Who.

Biblical signs in the sky? | Astronomy Essentials | EarthSky

the only difference this time:

Israel are in Jerusalem to see the visible stars...

 

[shrume]

Good find Mr. Who.

Biblical signs in the sky? | Astronomy Essentials | EarthSky

Fortunately, I am a community college professor! Community college people are the ‘A-Team’ of the academic world (as in B.A., Hannibal, and the crew from the TV show and the movie — who are tougher than anyone else and able to save the day using duct tape, PVC pipe, and a butane lighter). We thrive on diversity! No question phases (sic) us!

Not impressed with his credentials (although I realize he probably said that tongue-in-cheek).

And despite his claim, the sign has NOT "happened at least four times already, in 1827, 1483, 1293, and 1056." In his previous "occurrences", the three planets making up the 12 stars "over her head" are not over her head, and in a couple of them, Jupiter is in the wrong place, and did not spend 9 months in Virgo's "womb" by going through retrograde motion.

There are many articles and Youtube videos claiming to debunk the Rev 12 sign. So far I haven't been impressed with any of them.

I'm convinced that the alignment happening on 9/23 will indeed be the sign of Rev 12:1-2.

What it specifically means, and if anything will happen, remains to be seen.

 

[Wild]

Well, when you are watching your news and a seven year agreement is made with Israel, which allows them to build their temple, they you will know what time period you are in.

I will tell you exactly what is going to happen and I don't need to adjust anything and never have.

* The church is going to be gathered according to the Lord's promise in John 14:1-3 and 1 Thes.4:13-18

* That ruler, the antichrist, will make his seven year agreement with Israel in fulfillment of that last seven years of the seventy sevens found in Dan.9:24 and which will allow them to build their temple

* The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will continue throughout that entire seven years, God's wrath!

* In the middle of that seven years, the antichrist/beast is going to set up that abomination, which is synonymous with the image of the beast referred to in Revelation 13:14-15

* In the middle of that seven is also when Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth. During this time the beast will have authority over the great tribulation saints and the woman/Israel will be cared for out in the desert for that same last 3 1/2 years.

* Shortly after the 7th bowl is poured out, Jesus will return to the earth and the church with him, where the beast and the false prophet will be captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire.

* At that same time, an angel will seize Satan and thrown him into the Abyss and seal it over him for a literal thousand years

* The great tribulation saints who will have died during that seven year period, will be resurrected and along with the church and the 144,000, will rule the earth with Christ during that same literal thousand years in their immortal and glorified bodies.

I have never veered from my understanding of scripture in over the 40 years that I have been studying it, as taught by the Holy Spirit.

So when you see a very large number of people missing from the earth and a charismatic political leader who makes a seven year agreement with Israel, then you will understand that everything that I have been proclaiming to you and others is the truth. And it is coming regardless of what you believe.

When do you think is the time frame for the rapture, based on where we stand ?

 

[Locutus]

Not impressed with his credentials (although I realize he probably said that tongue-in-cheek).

The article is a reprint and written by:

Christopher M. Graney is professor of physics and astronomy at Jefferson Community & Technical College in Louisville, Kentucky (USA), where he helps keep the college’s observatory running. For some years now his research focus has been the history of astronomy, especially the late 16th and early 17th centuries. He is the author of the 2015 book Setting Aside All Authority: Giovanni Battista Riccioli and the Science Against Copernicus in the Age of Galileo, and the forthcoming book Mathematical Disquisitions: The Booklet of Theses Immortalized by Galileo, both published by the University of Notre Dame Press

 

[Locutus]

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

The above is symbolic language - nothing to do with the stars and planets.

 

[tanakh]

I read somewhere that this happened before around 2003 or so. It wasn't picked up then because U Tube wasn't as popular as it is now. We only have a week to go before we find out whether there is anything significant about the date. One thing is certain and that is those who who are making a fuss about it have already cooked up some reason for it to be a false alarm and are preparing for the next major 'sign' for the best sellers list.

 

[shrume]

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

The above is symbolic language - nothing to do with the stars and planets.

Disagree.

Time will tell.

 

[shrume]

I read somewhere that this happened before around 2003 or so.

It didn't.

It wasn't picked up then because U Tube wasn't as popular as it is now. We only have a week to go before we find out whether there is anything significant about the date.

Not necessarily. John calls it a sign, and signs generally precede things.

One thing is certain and that is those who who are making a fuss about it have already cooked up some reason for it to be a false alarm and are preparing for the next major 'sign' for the best sellers list.

Not everybody is in it for the money.

 

[Wild]

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

The above is symbolic language - nothing to do with the stars and planets.

Right, tell the 3 wise men that very same thing. They followed a literal star that led them to Christ.

 

[garee]

The above has nothing to do with what I was talking about. It is a knee-jerk reaction to interpret the male child as being Jesus, for one, because that is what everyone else claims and 2, because it's a male child who comes out of Israel, then it must be Jesus.

You're not even talking about the same subject garee!

Its not what everybody else says .What do you say the parable informs us as to the spiritual understanding according to the principle of faith (the unseen.

Jesus as the Son of man is the male child given birth by the chaste virgin bride the church. Just as was Timothy and every child of God. Look for the spiritual meaning hid in parables without parables Christ spoke not.

Scripture uses two woman in parables .One to represent the generation of Adam every person born born of the fleshly seeds of man called the strange woman typified as the queen of heaven and the other the free woman the chaste virgin bride of Christ as those who had oil to trim their lamps and came into the wedding supper as the generation of Christ through the spiritual seed (one).

Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Not children of the flesh.They are not considered the mother of us all

 

[jenniferand2]

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

This has nothing to do with the the actual sun,moon,and stars,but is the nation of Israel,and the 12 tribes of Israel.

Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

The woman was with child,and pained to be delivered.

Which it is obvious that it has nothing to do with the ordinances of heaven,for how could they give birth.

But it is the nation of Israel,which the child Christ Jesus came through the nation of Israel.

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

The woman brought forth a man child,and how can the ordinances of heaven bring forth a human,who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron,who is Jesus Christ.

Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Israel is protected from physical attack for three and one half years,and this refers to the future.

Israel will be turned to the truth when salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles.

The man of sin will establish peace in the Middle East,and it will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel,and the Jews,and the Gentiles,will be separated.

The Gentile nations will come together,and say,Peace and safety,and will try to establish peace on earth.

For three and one half years the world will operate by the ten horn kingdom,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section.

The 6 trumpets are 6 disasters that occur on earth as warnings to the world to repent,and turn to God,but after the 6th trumpet which is a terrible war where one third of the population of the world dies,God said the world will not repent of their wicked ways,and turn to Him,but they keep trying to solve their problems by their own methods,so God gives the world the man of sin to rule over them.

The ten horns failed at providing peace,so they hand their power over to the man of sin,and he gets control of the world.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

God gives the world the man of sin to rule over them,and war breaks out in heaven,and the devils are cast to earth,and Satan appears as the beast,and deceives all people who do not love God.

Babylon represents human religion,and the kingdom of man,and in Daniel chapter 7 when physical Babylon fell she will never have physical dominion again,but her life is prolonged for a time and a season,which means her ways are still on earth.

So this is Babylon in spirit,for the beast kingdom represents human religion,and the kingdom of man.

Babylon is responsible for all that was slain upon earth,so it could not refer to physical Babylon,but Babylon in spirit,and a person either belongs to the kingdom of God,or Babylon,the kingdom of man.

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Israel is protected from physical attack for another three and one half years.

Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Israel is protected from physical attack for the 7 years period,and the beast and the world persecute all people who opposed their kingdom,and hold the testimony of Jesus.

There will not be any signs of the stars in heaven concerning Revelation 12 because it speaks of Israel,which is still in the future,for the 7 years period has not begun yet.

thank you for posting the scripture now i will read it lol.. I think God did say to watch for signs for sure... but to think that every weird thing that happens is going to be the end or the beging of the end etc... although interesting to think about maybe this could be or maybe that could be etc... God also said no one will know the time He will come back not even the Angels so I am pretty sure no one will ever predict the time that God will come he said he will come when people least expect it so... there is your answer

 

[tanakh]

It didn't.


Not necessarily. John calls it a sign, and signs generally precede things.


Not everybody is in it for the money.

Those who shout the loudest and write the books are. If not then they would be giving them away free. Signs do precede things but how long do you need to wait and find out ? Is it one week one year or a millennium? Most of revelation is symbolic and can be understood by studying the OT. Thats how John and the rest understood the scriptures guided by the holy spirit not by U Tube and major Publishers

 

[shrume]

Right, tell the 3 wise men that very same thing.

It is only tradition that says there were "three" wise men. It probably comes from the fact that there were three gifts given, gold, frankincense, and myrrh. There were probably many more than just three of them. The "wise men" were magi from the east, descended from people who lived during the time of Daniel, and were knowledgeable as to the things that Daniel knew and taught, including biblical astronomy.

They followed a literal star that led them to Christ.

I do not believe they saw a singular star, meaning a bright phenomena that led them to where Jesus was born. If that was true everyone else would have seen it too. I believe they saw a series of conjunctions that led them to believe the messiah had been born, hence they set out for Jerusalem. The people in Jerusalem were oblivious, meaning they had lost the knowledge the magi had about what to look out for to indicate the birth of the messiah. Also, the magi did not show up the night of Jesus' birth, as is commonly thought. It was probably 18 months or so after his birth, which is why Herod commanded all children 2 and under to be killed.

 

[shrume]

Its not what everybody else says .What do you say the parable informs us as to the spiritual understanding according to the principle of faith (the unseen.

Jesus as the Son of man is the male child given birth by the chaste virgin bride the church. Just as was Timothy and every child of God. Look for the spiritual meaning hid in parables without parables Christ spoke not.

Scripture uses two woman in parables .One to represent the generation of Adam every person born born of the fleshly seeds of man called the strange woman typified as the queen of heaven and the other the free woman the chaste virgin bride of Christ as those who had oil to trim their lamps and came into the wedding supper as the generation of Christ through the spiritual seed (one).

Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Not children of the flesh.They are not considered the mother of us all

Not everything in the Bible is a parable, garee.

 

[MattforJesus]

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

It has nothing to do with stars,and planets,or any ordinances of heaven.

I think the world is getting tired of all the predictions that people give,Jesus is coming back on this date,and the antichrist will appear on this date,and the resurrection will happen on this date,and the Jews will rebuild their temple on this here date.

The more they do that,and it does not happen,the more the world says,those silly Christians,and altogether want nothing to do with them,especially when the new age movement says people are still evolving,and can evolve through the power of nature,and be more than their current position,and evolution is already a big belief among many people,so this will sound logical,and right,to them.

The nations will come together as one eventually,because it is inevitable that it will happen,because of the problems on earth,and wars,and possible wars,and threats,and conflicts,especially when nuclear weapons are involved,and natural disasters.

A lot of people believe that there is a resurrection that will happen before the nations do come together.

But when it does not happen,that will probably be the final straw for the world,they have heard enough,and had enough,and say,the Bible was not interpreted correctly all those hundreds of years,and give heed to the new age interpretation of the Bible,and they will proceed ahead and try to solve their problems on earth,and try to achieve peace,and leave the interpretation that was believed for many years behind.

People have to stop putting dates on this,and dates on that,as if they know,and let them happen,if they happen,because it will be disappointing to the world if it does not happen,and eventually they will not want to hear anymore.

Like the boy who cried wolf.

Nothing is going to happen this month,and we should take some bets concerning this,at least we can make a little money from it.

 

[shrume]

Those who shout the loudest and write the books are.

Not necessarily. You're too cynical.

If not then they would be giving them away free.

It costs money to publish a book. Sometimes quite a bit of money.

Also, many people do offer teachings and videos (and books) for free.

Signs do precede things but how long do you need to wait and find out ? Is it one week one year or a millennium?

We don't know. The sign given to the Pharisees was "the sign of the prophet Jonah", which happened ~700 years before Christ.

Most of revelation is symbolic

I believe many people dismiss too much of Revelation as "symbolic".

and can be understood by studying the OT. Thats how John and the rest understood the scriptures guided by the holy spirit not by U Tube and major Publishers

They did not have YouTube and major publishers in those days.

 

[posthuman]

the only difference this time:

Israel are in Jerusalem to see the visible stars...

visible.

interesting for you to mention that.

the only time of day that all these celestial objects will be in the sky simultaneously, the sun will be washing them all out so that the only thing visible will be the sun, and *maybe* the crescent moon - but probably not.

so nevermind that revelation 12 isn't supposed to be a sign in the sky for us to look for - it's a symbol of Israel - and nevermind that the math is all completely wrong because Leo has more than 13 visible stars, not 9, and nevermind that the planets aren't stars so it doesn't make any sense to ad them to an edited version of Leo in order to come up with a mystical total of 12, and nevermind that the constellation Virgo has never represented Israel, and nevermind that Jupiter isn't a symbol of Christ, and nevermind that this arrangement of stars and planets and moon and sun has happened plenty of times over the last 2,000 years -- nevermind a dozen other obvious objections..

something you should probably immediately recognize, if you have common sense, is that this supposed "sign" is going to be invisible. what good is a "sign in the heavens" that no one can see? did God forget about that? is He incompetent?

only a few of the pieces you're trying to string together here will be visible at any particular time in conjunction with each other, and each small subcollection will only be visible at different times, only to people in certain parts of the earth. the only time that all the different parts will be in the sky at the same time, the sun will be washing all the others out -- all you'll see when you look up to view this supposed sign in the heavens is the sun, just as it appears every day.

wow.

oops!