Revelation

Elected · Mar 16, 2015

The book of Revelation

The book of Revelation has application for us today. It has had the same application for every century. But the book of Revelation began because the first century was crying out: 'John what hope do we have being Christians if you, Peter and all the Apostles are being killed?' John writes a letter a prophetic letter to seven churches. Let us define his prophetic letter in context with 1 Corinthians 14:3: "But the person who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding, encouragement, and comfort". For what reason is prophecy?

upbuilding
encouragement and
comfort

The book of Revelation is more about Radical Discipleship than about the Second Coming! If we are not uplifted, encouraged and comforted, we are reading the book of Revelation wrong! The Second Coming is not a theory to be discussed but a truth to be lived. Walk in holiness!

Eva1218 · Mar 16, 2015

Awesome! What we must look upon is this is the last Book in the Bible and it is called Revelation not revelations meaning it is Revealing One Thing and that is Who JESUS CHRIST is! Notice also that it states in 1:3 that one is blessed that reads and hears the words of this prophecy. So putting that together we see that JESUS CHRIST is being Revealed through Prophecy by Words which we must read and hear. There are many books that have been written to expound on the Book of Revelation but the Most profound way to grasp it is to Pray and ask HOLY SPIRIT to Reveal it to you personally.

Yes, symbols play a part due to John not able to express in words the Spiritual and Heavenly experience he encountered. From Genesis to Revelation GOD has made HIMSELF known to mankind. In Revelation GOD Reveals HIMSELF to John in a way HE has never done before. HE is not just GOD in the flesh, or GOD in HIS Glorified Body but GOD in HIS GLORY on HIS Throne! When GOD is teaching mankind HE needs to teach us in a way our minds can handle which is why we are given types, symbols, allegories, theophanies etc..

Blessings!!!!!!!

VioletReigns · Mar 16, 2015

InSpiritInTruth said:

Ok, let me get this straight:
1. You "seek only the guidance of the Master and the Holy Spirit, who guides into all truth."
2. You wrote a study about Revelation
3. Not all can receive it

Am I nutz for reading this to mean you "see" Revelation but whoever doesn't agree with your study of it does not "see"? And that it's a "true statement"?

InSpiritInTruth · Mar 16, 2015

VioletReigns said:

Whether or not one speaks the truth, or a lie "not all can receive it." This is a true saying.

Jason0047 · Mar 16, 2015

I spent about two months making a Chronology of Revelation and the Olivet Discourse thru prayer and by comparing Scripture with Scripture and by looking at what other Bible believing Christians have said. Thru the process of creating my chronology, I was constantly re-arranging it based on the light of what Scripture said. While I believe it is how things will more than likely play out, I am not claiming to be the guy who has all Truth on the matter. For I am very open to what other believers have to say on my chronology and I would welcome their suggestions if I feel they have lots of Scripture to share concernig it (So as to be convincing). Now, I do need to say it is a very very large chronology and I have created commentaries (With Scripture in many cases) to explain where I am coming from. Howver, if you are interested, you can check that out here:

ECT Chronology of Revelation & the Olivet Discourse, etc. - Theology Online | Christian Forums & More

Anyways, may the Lord come quickly.
God bless you all.
And please be well.

Jason0047 · Mar 16, 2015

Side Note:

Now, please take note that I do have solid reasons for believing in Pre-Millennialism and a Pre-Trib Rapture, though. If you are attempting to change my mind on those points, I am not so sure we are on the same page. For I believe that those two things are the basics of Eschatology.

In any event, love, peace, and blessings be unto you from the Lord.

Viligant_Warrior · Mar 16, 2015

InSpiritInTruth said:

Perhaps not "all can receive it" because it isn't true? Just a thought ...

gotime · Mar 16, 2015

One of the keys to understanding revelation is the over arching picture of Christ.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

The whole point of the book is to reveal Christ. so where is Christ now?

Rom_8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

So Christ is at the right hand of God where is that?

Heb_9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Heb 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

Christ is in the heavenly Temple that the earthly one was a copy of.

now notice revelation.

Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Jesus first appears in the midst of the seven branched candle stick.

then:

Rev 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

Notice seven lamps before the throne, the lamps were before the table of shew bread sot the throne here is the table of the presence.

next:

Rev 8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

Golden Altar of Incense,

then:

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

The Ark of the covenant also seen in chapter 15.

take note of the connections:

seven branched candlestick - Seven Churches.

Table of shewbread - Seven seals.

Altar of incense - Seven Trumpets.

Ark of the Covenant - Seven plagues.

To understand what each is and its significant to The ministry of Christ one needs to understand the sanctuary and how the priest related to each part and what it was for.

Then you will know what Jesus our High priest is doing and what context the seven churches,seals,trumpet and plagues are in.

Blessings.

DesiredHaven · Mar 16, 2015

Gosh, I love it when you guys talk revelation...

Jason0047 · Mar 16, 2015

My Chronology starts with the Pre-Trib Rapture and ends with the purification of this Earth by Fire (Which is similar to the purification of this Earth by a Global Flood). The purification of the Earth will take place after Armageddon and the Lord's 2nd Coming (Where He will destroy all the remaining nations who come up against Him). I did not include the Millennium in my chronology. There is a site that has some good verses in reference to the Millennium. While I do not claim they are right on every passage they have put forth on their explanation of things, they do offer a lot of Scripture to dig into so as to study the Millennium (If you are interested). I do not also claim to hold to every teaching that they believe, either. They merely offer a lot of verses on the Millennium for a person to research. Here is that link.

Verses on the Millennium or the 1,000 Year Reign of Jesus Christ.

As for the topic of the New Heavens and the New Earth (Which is after the Millennium), Besides Revelation 21, I have not researched this one in Scripture too much. Granted, I do not believe Isaiah 65:17 is talking about the same New Heavens and New Earth as mentioned in Revelation. I agree with Warren W. Wiersbe on this one in the fact that it is in reference to the Millennium instead. He offers a great commentary on Isaiah 65:17 if you can get a hold of his complete commentary on the Old Testament. Please take note that I did not learn this from Mr. Wiersbe, I merely came to the same conclusion as he did by studying the Scriptures on that point. Many times Christians can get easily confused by things in the Bible just because they see a similar word or title used. But the Bible many times uses words that look the same but have different meanings. In other words, the Bible has homonyms in it (Just like many other written works thru out history).

InSpiritInTruth · Mar 16, 2015

Viligant_Warrior said:

Or vice versa

Jason0047 · Mar 16, 2015

Jason0047 said:

In addition to Isaiah 65:17, there is also Isaiah 66:2 which talks about the new heavens and the new earth as being the Millennium, too. Again, this is not the same New Heavens and New Earth spoken about in Revelation 21, though. As for 2 Peter 3:13, I believe the new heavens and the new earth spoken in this verse is in reference to both the Millennium and the Eternal New Earth that follows it. For New Testament saints will be within both of those worlds (i.e. those who are beheaded for Christ during the Tribulation will go thru the Millennium and the rest of the dead will then be resurrected to be a part of the Eternal New Earth).

Grandpa · Mar 16, 2015

gotime said:

Could you expound on that? I find relating things back to the sanctuary very interesting...

Reborn · Mar 16, 2015

Jason0047 said:

Well?
Did the site above, that you gave us a link to--- bog down, from all of the CC members racing and clicking on it at the same time?

I'm just messing with you "JMan-Double O, 2 Score and 7"

It .......was........... detailed,....I will give you that.

.....to each his own.

Jason0047 · Mar 16, 2015

Reborn said:

There was no ill will or intent in what I had posted. For by your statement, you are implying that the sole reason why I posted what I did was to simply get a ton of people to check out my thread. What a person does or does not do is not up to me. If someone is going to be guided into wanting to look at God's Word, they will do so wherever God is leading them to do that. I am just a simple messenger. Nothing more; And I am not claiming to be the holder to all truth, either. For I am nothing. God is everything. If you see some reason to make a joke about it (and then take it back like you didn't joke about it), then so be it. I like discussing the Word of God. I don't make jokes about people doing that. I don't think you should either, my friend. In other words, I don't mind if someone jokes around (as you know, I do have a sense of humor at times), but if a person is being made fun of for talking about God's Word (Whether it be true or a bit misguided), it is not funny to me. I take God's Word very seriously because it is close to my heart and it is very important to me. I hope you understand where I am coming from; And I hope you understand I say this in love, too (And with no ill will whatsoever, my friend). I just wish you would stop mocking my discussion of the Word of God at various times and join in on the discussion instead.

Anyways, may God's love shine upon you, my friend.
And please be well.

VioletReigns · Mar 16, 2015

InSpiritInTruth said:

Ummmm..........

Reborn · Mar 17, 2015

Jason0047 said:

I can see that your guard is up.
I understand. People come at you a lot.

BTW, I wasn't mocking you. I was joking with you, like I normally do.

To be fair .... I HAVE tried to join in.
You refuse to go past 3 posts with me.

Why is that?
If you teach, you should be able to back up things you post. I can't question your doctrine?
I couldn't even get one lousy answer from you last time....and it was a soft, easy question, Jason.

Now, if you buckle under THAT question....maybe, it's time to hang up the microphone, brother?

dcontroversal · Mar 17, 2015

Jason0047 said:

I spent about two months making a Chronology of Revelation and the Olivet Discourse thru prayer and by comparing Scripture with Scripture and by looking at what other Bible believing Christians have said. Thru the process of creating my chronology, I was constantly re-arranging it based on the light of what Scripture said. While I believe it is how things will more than likely play out, I am not claiming to be the guy who has all Truth on the matter. For I am very open to what other believers have to say on my chronology and I would welcome their suggestions if I feel they have lots of Scripture to share concernig it (So as to be convincing). Now, I do need to say it is a very very large chronology and I have created commentaries (With Scripture in many cases) to explain where I am coming from. Howver, if you are interested, you can check that out here:

ECT Chronology of Revelation & the Olivet Discourse, etc. - Theology Online | Christian Forums & More

Anyways, may the Lord come quickly.
God bless you all.
And please be well.

A WHOLE two months you say.........!

gotime · Mar 17, 2015

Grandpa said:

What exactly do you want?

Just stuff from after the ascension or from the Cross.

The sanctuary has the entire Gospel from beginning to end. In Fact there are some things about the cross that the sanctuary makes clearer. Even understanding what was happening at Gethsemane is opened up by the sanctuary.

Jason0047 · Mar 17, 2015

dcontroversal said:

I created a Chronology of Revelation and the Olivet Discourse in that amount of time using tons of verses.
Are you saying you did the same thing but yet better?

Revelation

Elected

Guest

Eva1218

Guest

VioletReigns

Guest

Banned

Banned

Banned

Viligant_Warrior

Guest

Senior Member

DesiredHaven

Guest

Banned

Banned

Banned

Senior Member

Senior Member

Banned

VioletReigns

Guest

Senior Member

Banned

Senior Member

Banned