Romans 6 reveals majestic glory that I once heavily overlooked. We are blessed.

[PeterJens]

I just herd a stil voice no surrender to mr king pride doctrine of them all

The pharisees believed because they were Abrahams sons and live a good life,
they would get to be with God. Christs argument was they were sinners,
hypocrites and refused to repent, claiming they could see the truth while being
blind.

The theme has always been about having a pure heart and walking in love.
Through Christ alone can we achieve this, it is His promise.
It is a walk, it is about walking with Him and learning who He is and His heart
and learning about our hearts, successes and failures. This is not about the
word perfection, it is about knowing what it is to love another.

And boy this is challenging. It was even challenging for Christ to go to the cross.
Yet some talk as if they have arrived spiritually but not physically, and Christ
will wave the magic wand when He comes, and they will be blameless.

But Christ talked about building our house upon the rock, upon Him and His truth.
Yet again people suggest building is self so evil. So much error and lostness, so much
missing the point, so many hard hearts. The claim to see, but are blind, to hear and
yet are deaf. This divide is not an invention, it looms out of the darkness and is
reinforced by the hearts being expressed.

 

[JIMBO43]

The pharisees believed because they were Abrahams sons and live a good life,
they would get to be with God. Christs argument was they were sinners,
hypocrites and refused to repent, claiming they could see the truth while being
blind.

The theme has always been about having a pure heart and walking in love.
Through Christ alone can we achieve this, it is His promise.
It is a walk, it is about walking with Him and learning who He is and His heart
and learning about our hearts, successes and failures. This is not about the
word perfection, it is about knowing what it is to love another.

And boy this is challenging. It was even challenging for Christ to go to the cross.
Yet some talk as if they have arrived spiritually but not physically, and Christ
will wave the magic wand when He comes, and they will be blameless.

But Christ talked about building our house upon the rock, upon Him and His truth.
Yet again people suggest building is self so evil. So much error and lostness, so much
missing the point, so many hard hearts. The claim to see, but are blind, to hear and
yet are deaf. This divide is not an invention, it looms out of the darkness and is
reinforced by the hearts being expressed.

look i never said you had a possession of a demon what i implied was maybe you had herd a still voice to fill you with pride. it happens to all of us let it go brother.

 

[PeterJens]

Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit, 19 speaking to one another with psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit. Sing and make music from your heart to the Lord, 20 always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Eph 5:18-20

And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
Phil 4:7

 

[SpiritLed]

the only way we can attain to sinless perfection is to be separated from the flesh,and be with Jesus [

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
"And now we know that the person we used to be is crucified with him, so that person might be utterly destroyed and GONE, and as a person who has been resurrected in the likeness of Jesus, we should not be sinners anymore."
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Because the person that is dead is free and untouched from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
So if we are dead with Christ, we believe that we will also live with Him, even now: and behold I do live always with His Spirit. Praise God!

 

[SpiritLed]

The flesh is not eradicated at conversion nor at any time during the Christians life.

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.And now we know that the person we used to be is crucified with him, so that person might be utterly destroyed and GONE, and as a person who has been resurrected in the likeness of Jesus, we should not be sinners anymore.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Because the person that is dead is free and untouched from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
So if we are dead with Christ, we believe that we will also live with Him, even now:

Looks like Jesus Christ gave us the way folks. I didn't hesitate much after realising it. I love Jesus so much!!!!!!!

 

[willybob]

Romans 6 is a testimony of godly living....”Sinless perfection” is a straw-man created by the likes of Martin Luther, and many of the Reformers who believed the unbiblical concept of "faith alone".

Some accuse others of sinless perfection, but never define what sins they mean. Do they mean the vile sins of the flesh that the apostle Paul said would disqualify one from the kingdom? Or do they mean mistakes, stumbling's, sins of ignorance, mishaps and lack of knowledge beings that the creature was made subject to vanity for his own sake..Surley they can’t mean they sin everyday through rebellion and partaking of the vile sins of the flesh???..

Biblical perfection is NOT being as perfect as Jesus, but rather it having maturity and moral uprightness from a sincere heart while adding to their faith many virtues...There were many perfect people in the bible who did not partake of the vile sins of the flesh. Joseph, ever since he was 17 and cast into the pit always did the right thing (righteousness), even in the darkest hours of despair. Hanna, Cornelius, Lydia, Nathaniel, Daniel, Abel, were all perfect. Were they as perfect as God? No, but they were morally upright and never partook of the vile sins of the flesh that would disqualify one from the kingdom. Yet some of them still had sins of ignorance which required chastisement/teaching. So don’t let the “sinful perfectionist” accusers make you think you have to be as perfect as Jesus, that is a lie and a strawman cleverly used to argue in favor of sin. Again; biblical perfection is moral uprightness having no guile in the heart.

Note: knowing this first; virtue is NEVER transferred to anyone anywhere within the text, it is obtained by the believers own merits from a heart of purity. The epistles in the NT call them "the worthy". Or as Jesus said those who are worthy of Him..

We are all doing "works" everyday, some do the works of God, and some do the works of the devil....So we can dispense of the infantile doctrine of not of works because works are unavoidable we all have them everyday...When Paul said "not of works" he meant religious works not works of obedience...He called them "works of the law" 6 times in the text, 5 times in Galatians because the Jews were seeking to impose the ceremonial and Jewish rituals upon the Christian at Galatia.. Paul was in NO WISE implying to dispense with the moral law of God, but rather circumcision, washings, new moons and Sabbaths, dietary laws etc. 'ie" Ordinances". This is why he asked them "you having began in the spirit are now going to be made perfect in the flesh"?

Eph. 2:8,9,10 We are saved unto good works by God's grace (Spiritual Empowerment), coupled with man's faith (steadfast and active faithfulness to God) from a heart of sincerity. Or as Paul also said "we are workers together with God"....The rebellion and removing of guile is vigorously put to death in the baptism of repentance in a season of godly sorrow 2 Cor. 7-10,11, putting to death the old man of rebellion along with the vile sins of the flesh. If not, the heart can never be made pure, and without holiness no one will see the Lord.

biblical perfection does not mean being as perfect as God, as they would have you believe. It is simply moral perfection and uprightness doing that which is right according to the measure given, nothing more nothing less..

The bible speaks of many righteous people such as Zacharias and Elisabeth, who were blameless/perfect keeping ALL the commandments of God, Luke 1.

Job was perfect. Yet we know Job was chastised by God. Job had some sins of ignorance, human flaws, and stumbled through mistakes and mishaps perhaps, but he NEVER partook in the file sins of the flesh that would disqualify him from the kingdom. Job was not a fornicator (pornia), not a liar, not an adulterer, not a blasphemer, not a covetous man, not a railer, not a gossiper, not a murderer, not a thief, not a false accuser, not an idolater, not a backbiter, not an extortioner, nor any of the other vile sins of the flesh, because he was a God fearing man and perfect. (to fear God is to hate evil)…Therefore he was a perfect man that did that which was good, and eschewed that which was evil...In fact the prophet Ezekiel said Job was delivered by his own righteous, saith the Lord GOD in the book of Ezekiel....Ezekiel also said it is an abomination to call a righteous man a sinner/evil/unrighteous etc...I can guarantee you that Job did not sin daily in thought, word, and deed, like many professed Christians claim they do today, (sinful perfectionists).. No Job was perfect and righteous just as God said he was.

So it would be helpful when some use the term “sinless perfection” to explain just exactly what sins they are speaking of…Or, what vile sins of the flesh they cannot depart from via the power of the blood that takes away sin. Jesus sole purpose was to take away sin, not cover it with fig leaves..The Day of Atonement in the Old Testament was for sins of ignorance, not willful sins of rebellion. Of course, Jesus, now being our propitiation (mercy seat) for sin, changed all that, in that we might be reconciled back to God through the baptism of repentance, and restored to a covenant relationship with the Father, and he that endures to the end the same shall be saved.

God said Cain had the ability to rule over that man of sin that was rising up in his members, Gen. 4-7.

 

[SpiritLed]

Romans 6 is a testimony of godly living....”Sinless perfection” is a straw-man created by the likes of Martin Luther, and many of the Reformers who believed the unbiblical concept of "faith alone".

Some accuse others of sinless perfection, but never define what sins they mean. Do they mean the vile sins of the flesh that the apostle Paul said would disqualify one from the kingdom? Or do they mean mistakes, stumbling's, sins of ignorance, mishaps and lack of knowledge beings that the creature was made subject to vanity for his own sake..Surley they can’t mean they sin everyday through rebellion and partaking of the vile sins of the flesh???..

Biblical perfection is NOT being as perfect as Jesus, but rather it having maturity and moral uprightness from a sincere heart while adding to their faith many virtues...There were many perfect people in the bible who did not partake of the vile sins of the flesh. Joseph, ever since he was 17 and cast into the pit always did the right thing (righteousness), even in the darkest hours of despair. Hanna, Cornelius, Lydia, Nathaniel, Daniel, Abel, were all perfect. Were they as perfect as God? No, but they were morally upright and never partook of the vile sins of the flesh that would disqualify one from the kingdom. Yet some of them still had sins of ignorance which required chastisement/teaching. So don’t let the “sinful perfectionist” accusers make you think you have to be as perfect as Jesus, that is a lie and a strawman cleverly used to argue in favor of sin. Again; biblical perfection is moral uprightness having no guile in the heart.

Note: knowing this first; virtue is NEVER transferred to anyone anywhere within the text, it is obtained by the believers own merits from a heart of purity. The epistles in the NT call them "the worthy". Or as Jesus said those who are worthy of Him..

We are all doing "works" everyday, some do the works of God, and some do the works of the devil....So we can dispense of the infantile doctrine of not of works because works are unavoidable we all have them everyday...When Paul said "not of works" he meant religious works not works of obedience...He called them "works of the law" 6 times in the text, 5 times in Galatians because the Jews were seeking to impose the ceremonial and Jewish rituals upon the Christian at Galatia.. Paul was in NO WISE implying to dispense with the moral law of God, but rather circumcision, washings, new moons and Sabbaths, dietary laws etc. 'ie" Ordinances". This is why he asked them "you having began in the spirit are now going to be made perfect in the flesh"?

Eph. 2:8,9,10 We are saved unto good works by God's grace (Spiritual Empowerment), coupled with man's faith (steadfast and active faithfulness to God) from a heart of sincerity. Or as Paul also said "we are workers together with God"....The rebellion and removing of guile is vigorously put to death in the baptism of repentance in a season of godly sorrow 2 Cor. 7-10,11, putting to death the old man of rebellion along with the vile sins of the flesh. If not, the heart can never be made pure, and without holiness no one will see the Lord.

biblical perfection does not mean being as perfect as God, as they would have you believe. It is simply moral perfection and uprightness doing that which is right according to the measure given, nothing more nothing less..

The bible speaks of many righteous people such as Zacharias and Elisabeth, who were blameless/perfect keeping ALL the commandments of God, Luke 1.

Job was perfect. Yet we know Job was chastised by God. Job had some sins of ignorance, human flaws, and stumbled through mistakes and mishaps perhaps, but he NEVER partook in the file sins of the flesh that would disqualify him from the kingdom. Job was not a fornicator (pornia), not a liar, not an adulterer, not a blasphemer, not a covetous man, not a railer, not a gossiper, not a murderer, not a thief, not a false accuser, not an idolater, not a backbiter, not an extortioner, nor any of the other vile sins of the flesh, because he was a God fearing man and perfect. (to fear God is to hate evil)…Therefore he was a perfect man that did that which was good, and eschewed that which was evil...In fact the prophet Ezekiel said Job was delivered by his own righteous, saith the Lord GOD in the book of Ezekiel....Ezekiel also said it is an abomination to call a righteous man a sinner/evil/unrighteous etc...I can guarantee you that Job did not sin daily in thought, word, and deed, like many professed Christians claim they do today, (sinful perfectionists).. No Job was perfect and righteous just as God said he was.

So it would be helpful when some use the term “sinless perfection” to explain just exactly what sins they are speaking of…Or, what vile sins of the flesh they cannot depart from via the power of the blood that takes away sin. Jesus sole purpose was to take away sin, not cover it with fig leaves..The Day of Atonement in the Old Testament was for sins of ignorance, not willful sins of rebellion. Of course, Jesus, now being our propitiation (mercy seat) for sin, changed all that, in that we might be reconciled back to God through the baptism of repentance, and restored to a covenant relationship with the Father, and he that endures to the end the same shall be saved.

God said Cain had the ability to rule over that man of sin that was rising up in his members, Gen. 4-7.

^^!AMEN TO THAT!^^

 

[lastofall]

[for me anyway] is it right to repent when we sin or not repent when we sin? but if we suppose that we are without sin, then we are stone-thrower's: as for me I am among those that are convicted by conscience and drop my stones, and go away from thinking that I am without sin.

 

[FreeNChrist]

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.And now we know that the person we used to be is crucified with him, so that person might be utterly destroyed and GONE, and as a person who has been resurrected in the likeness of Jesus, we should not be sinners anymore.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Because the person that is dead is free and untouched from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
So if we are dead with Christ, we believe that we will also live with Him, even now:

Looks like Jesus Christ gave us the way folks. I didn't hesitate much after realising it. I love Jesus so much!!!!!!!

Yes the "old man" is dead and gone. But the flesh is not the old man.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Romans 6 is a testimony of godly living....”Sinless perfection” is a straw-man created by the likes of Martin Luther, and many of the Reformers who believed the unbiblical concept of "faith alone".

Some accuse others of sinless perfection, but never define what sins they mean. Do they mean the vile sins of the flesh that the apostle Paul said would disqualify one from the kingdom? Or do they mean mistakes, stumbling's, sins of ignorance, mishaps and lack of knowledge beings that the creature was made subject to vanity for his own sake..Surley they can’t mean they sin everyday through rebellion and partaking of the vile sins of the flesh???..

Biblical perfection is NOT being as perfect as Jesus, but rather it having maturity and moral uprightness from a sincere heart while adding to their faith many virtues...There were many perfect people in the bible who did not partake of the vile sins of the flesh. Joseph, ever since he was 17 and cast into the pit always did the right thing (righteousness), even in the darkest hours of despair. Hanna, Cornelius, Lydia, Nathaniel, Daniel, Abel, were all perfect. Were they as perfect as God? No, but they were morally upright and never partook of the vile sins of the flesh that would disqualify one from the kingdom. Yet some of them still had sins of ignorance which required chastisement/teaching. So don’t let the “sinful perfectionist” accusers make you think you have to be as perfect as Jesus, that is a lie and a strawman cleverly used to argue in favor of sin. Again; biblical perfection is moral uprightness having no guile in the heart.

Note: knowing this first; virtue is NEVER transferred to anyone anywhere within the text, it is obtained by the believers own merits from a heart of purity. The epistles in the NT call them "the worthy". Or as Jesus said those who are worthy of Him..

We are all doing "works" everyday, some do the works of God, and some do the works of the devil....So we can dispense of the infantile doctrine of not of works because works are unavoidable we all have them everyday...When Paul said "not of works" he meant religious works not works of obedience...He called them "works of the law" 6 times in the text, 5 times in Galatians because the Jews were seeking to impose the ceremonial and Jewish rituals upon the Christian at Galatia.. Paul was in NO WISE implying to dispense with the moral law of God, but rather circumcision, washings, new moons and Sabbaths, dietary laws etc. 'ie" Ordinances". This is why he asked them "you having began in the spirit are now going to be made perfect in the flesh"?

Eph. 2:8,9,10 We are saved unto good works by God's grace (Spiritual Empowerment), coupled with man's faith (steadfast and active faithfulness to God) from a heart of sincerity. Or as Paul also said "we are workers together with God"....The rebellion and removing of guile is vigorously put to death in the baptism of repentance in a season of godly sorrow 2 Cor. 7-10,11, putting to death the old man of rebellion along with the vile sins of the flesh. If not, the heart can never be made pure, and without holiness no one will see the Lord.

biblical perfection does not mean being as perfect as God, as they would have you believe. It is simply moral perfection and uprightness doing that which is right according to the measure given, nothing more nothing less..

The bible speaks of many righteous people such as Zacharias and Elisabeth, who were blameless/perfect keeping ALL the commandments of God, Luke 1.

Job was perfect. Yet we know Job was chastised by God. Job had some sins of ignorance, human flaws, and stumbled through mistakes and mishaps perhaps, but he NEVER partook in the file sins of the flesh that would disqualify him from the kingdom. Job was not a fornicator (pornia), not a liar, not an adulterer, not a blasphemer, not a covetous man, not a railer, not a gossiper, not a murderer, not a thief, not a false accuser, not an idolater, not a backbiter, not an extortioner, nor any of the other vile sins of the flesh, because he was a God fearing man and perfect. (to fear God is to hate evil)…Therefore he was a perfect man that did that which was good, and eschewed that which was evil...In fact the prophet Ezekiel said Job was delivered by his own righteous, saith the Lord GOD in the book of Ezekiel....Ezekiel also said it is an abomination to call a righteous man a sinner/evil/unrighteous etc...I can guarantee you that Job did not sin daily in thought, word, and deed, like many professed Christians claim they do today, (sinful perfectionists).. No Job was perfect and righteous just as God said he was.

So it would be helpful when some use the term “sinless perfection” to explain just exactly what sins they are speaking of…Or, what vile sins of the flesh they cannot depart from via the power of the blood that takes away sin. Jesus sole purpose was to take away sin, not cover it with fig leaves..The Day of Atonement in the Old Testament was for sins of ignorance, not willful sins of rebellion. Of course, Jesus, now being our propitiation (mercy seat) for sin, changed all that, in that we might be reconciled back to God through the baptism of repentance, and restored to a covenant relationship with the Father, and he that endures to the end the same shall be saved.

God said Cain had the ability to rule over that man of sin that was rising up in his members, Gen. 4-7.

God’s required perfection entails not only external actions but internal feelings and motives that must be absolutely pure. Jesus condemns not only adultery but lust, not only murder but anger, promising the same judgment for both.

 

[posthuman]

Grateful

Give thanks in all circumstances;
for this is the will of God
in Christ Jesus for you.
(1 Thessalonians 5:18)

Dead

Consider yourselves dead to sin
and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
(Romans 6:11)



​

 

[posthuman]

What Jesus said was you need to be as perfect as the Father in Heaven. What He didn't say was that it was possible for you to do so.

Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance. And let endurance have its perfect result, so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.
(James 1:2-4)​

we will be - the One that works in us will do all His will

 

[posthuman]

hum should i have mercy for a sin ????????????????

Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave,
in the same way that I had mercy on you?
(Matthew 18:33) ​

 

[wsblind]

I want to make known my understanding of the Gospel, for I believe I haven't explained the glory of it that I perceive as well as I should have. I beg of you, if you are going to comment, which is encouraged of you to do so, let us love one another in truth. Please no name calling. No sarcasm. This is a brand new discussion.


I love you all very much, and I am going to do my best to explain why I am able to say that I will never sin again. I pray that after you read this message, you will agree that it is not absurd for a son of God to say so. Bear with me as I break down Romans 6, for the key to overcoming a sin after receiving the Holy Spirit is found within it.


What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
So, should we continue as we once were; living for ourselves, and not for God?[SUP]2 [/SUP]God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Absolutely not, God forbid we make the decision to do so. How can we continue to live in sin after dying to it?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Don't you know? Those of us that were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His crucifixion?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Therefore, we are gone and buried with Him by baptism into actual death itself: so just like Christ was raised up from the grave by the glory of the God our Father, even we Christians should be walking as if we are brand new people who are living a brand new life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Because if we have been planted together in the same ways of His death, we will also be in the likeness of his resurrection; a completely new creature who is majestic child of God with the Holy Spirit living boldly inside of you.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
And now we know that the person we used to be is crucified with him, so that person might be utterly destroyed and GONE, and as a person who has been resurrected in the likeness of Jesus, we should not be sinners anymore.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Because the person that is dead is free and untouched from sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
So if we are dead with Christ, we believe that we will also live with Him, even now:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
For in that we died with him, we died to sin once and for all: and this we now live, we live it for God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Consider yourselves therefore to be dead to sin, everything that it is, it is nothing to you, and you are literally dead to it, and now you are alive for God through Jesus Christ who is the Lord of our life.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Considering this, do not let sin exist in your mortal body, you are dead to it and will not obey its lusts for it has no power over you.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Instead of submitting our bodies to be instruments of unrighteousness for sin, you should submit your entire body to God and shall be instruments of nothing but righteousness. You are living for God now.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Because sin will not have power over you, for you are not under the law that you once existed in having a fleshly body, you are under grace for you now live after the Spirit.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
So, taking that into consideration, should we sin because we have this new freedom under grace? Absolutely not, God forbid us from making a decision like that
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Don't you know, that to which one you do with your body, you are owned by? Either you are owned by sin which will surely lead you to death, or you are owned by obedience which leads you to righteousness.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
But THANK GOD, you used to be the servants of sin, always committing it, but now you have obeyed from the heart that certain for of teaching which was delivered to you.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

[SUP]20 [/SUP]For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
Because when you were sinners, you had absolutely no righteousness.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
What were the things you used to do that you are now ashamed of, because those things lead to death, and you know this.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
But now that you are free from sin, not taking part in it, and have become servants to God, you have your fruit unto holiness and the end everlasting life.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

My old man is dead, the life I now live is a life that is quite literally through our Lord Jesus Christ, even as I type. I love you all.

It's great that you have a pretty clean life from sin. Sin should be less and less as we grow in His Grace.

But how is your evil or self righteous deeds? Many call it human good rather than Divine good. This is the hard or deeper issue in the Christian walk. Sin is simple, it misses the mark and even most unbelievers have sin figured out.

From my experience, most believers that think sin is "the deep spiritual issue" in the Christian way of life, are caught up in the REAL danger of self righteousness or evil.

All sin is evil, but not all evil(human good) is sin.

Heb 5:14/New American Standard Bible
But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.

 

[Grace777x70]

There is a difference between the old man that was crucified on the cross with Christ and the flesh which still has the power of sin in it. Romans 7:17, 20 & 23

If we think the flesh ( which has the power of sin still in it ) is still not here - it has done it's job already in deceiving us. Without understanding the circumcision of Christ where the inner man in Christ is cut away from the flesh - this will cause us to think that we have the flesh no more. But we do. And we are responsible with what we do with it as well.

We have this treasure in an earthen vessel.

Take up shooting heroin in your arms an the destruction will come quickly. Start living in strife, outbursts of anger or slandering of others in the body of Christ - that too brings destruction. All works of the flesh bring destruction of some sort and these stop the life of Christ in us from being manifested in our lives as it should.

There is no such thing as sinless perfection in the flesh. The inner man in Christ which has been raised in newness of life in the resurrection of Christ - that is where sin cannot penetrate. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit for the ay of redemption where we finally get a new physical body.

 

[JIMBO43]

Originally Posted by JIMBO43

hum should i have mercy for a sin ????????????????

Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave,
in the same way that I had mercy on you?
(Matthew 18:33)
​

there was more to it than just that question besides i never said nothing about having mercy for the sinner i asked about having mercy fot the sin,, only The father and the son has authority to forgive sins..

I was told i need to be humble when talking about sinless perfection i asked how do i become humble for this,,, ?

I assumed the only way i could become humble for this doctrin that is poluting my mind is to somehow forgive the sin. or accept it as you put it have mercy for the sinner,, which i have...

It hasnt worked hes been asked to stop this doctrin twice to which he and his friends will not back down.
I am not the author of division here..

The ones filled with pride are making me the author of division because sinless perfection nuts cant see there faults when they are rebuked..... end off

 

[JIMBO43]

Im going to say that this threads reads the majestic glory of self pride..............

 

[mailmandan]

There is no such thing as sinless perfection in the flesh.

Amen! Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolutely perfect life (exactly as Jesus lived) 100% of the time are suffering from a terminal case of self-righteousness (1 John 1:8-10).

 

[MadebyHim]

For those that claim they are living sinless lives. How is it done? What are you doing to be sinless? what are you not doing to be sinless?. Maybe if those that are sinless would look and see others are doing as they are but do not claim to be sinless. Just had a couple questions.

 

[gb9]

For those that claim they are living sinless lives. How is it done? What are you doing to be sinless? what are you not doing to be sinless?. Maybe if those that are sinless would look and see others are doing as they are but do not claim to be sinless. Just had a couple questions.

and, based on past history, you will no clear answer from the sinless crowd.