Slavery in the Bible

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danschance

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Seven years of being owned and beaten......well I guess that doesn't sound all that bad.
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I think you have made a huge blunder. You assume that the slavery mentioned in the Old Testament is the same as the type of brutal slavery America once had. The two types of slavery were very different. Back then slaves had rights.

Also slavery was common back in that day. Slavery was used when a person could not pay off a debt. Then he would be enslaved until the debt was paid off.

Then there was another type of slave called "Bond Servant". This is a slave who has decided to stay with his master for life and he does so voluntarily by allowing to have his ear pierced on the door of the temple. You seem to think that slavery in the bible was monstrous, but here we see the opposite. A slave willingly becoming a bond slave for life! Why would he do this if slavery was so bad?
 
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Bronze age medical treatment? WOW!!!
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Well, with this guy saying these sorts of things, it is obvious that he is here for one purpose. He is simply here to bash Christianity. I am exiting this thread and will not be back.
 
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How do you take Exodus 21:7 out of context?

"21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
21:8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her."

Those are instructions regarding selling your daughter into slavery. Just because you don't like what it says, doesn't mean it doesn't say that.
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Please look at this through Love and it will become clear.
A poor man can sell his daughter to a rich family. The family that would be buying her would be a righteous family that understood the law. She shall not go out like the men servants do because she is to be a wife for the father or the son. This poor man is trying to get a better life for his daughter. This family pays the father a bride price for this little girl. She then moves into their house and they ( Father and son) teach her their ways ( Gods ways). If she is given to the son the father will treat her as a daughter. If the girl is not taken in marriage to the Father or the son she goes free in the 7[SUP]th[/SUP]year, when she begins puberty or at the Jubilee.
Each of us have been bought by the son if we learn the ways of the House we will be married to him. Should we not learn the ways of the house then it is back to the father ( god of the world).This is not slavery this is a chance at life.
 
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Are you people actually trying to justify slavery? Seriously, think about what you're saying.
 
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Are you people actually trying to justify slavery? Seriously, think about what you're saying.
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Who are you trying to justify?

What may be known about God is plain to you, because he has made it plain to you.
Since the creation of the world, his invisibie qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what was made.

So you are without excuse.

Although you know God, you neither glorify him nor give him thanks, but your thinking has become futile and your foolish heart is darkened. Although you claim to be wise, you have become a fool.
 
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You know, my best professor in college was a very interesting guy. He was almost 90 and still teaching, he'd seen an A-bomb dropped from an island he was stationed at, he'd been a boxer, he'd lived through segregation and had a lot to say on the matter.

What he said was that American slavery was uniquely horrible in that it involved the systematic dehumanization of the enslaved. Blacks where an inferior race, almost more animal than human, and science confirmed it. This is what was being taught, this is why it was so bad, and this is why it's taken so long for your American prejudices to even start fading.

Even as horrible as Greek and Roman slavery where, slaves had some limited potential and some limited rights. A slave could be someone free, his grand-kids could be someone free. American slaves had no such potential, no such hope, and no such rights.

Hebrew slaves had guaranteed freedom if they choose it after their contract was done. They had rights and protections. They even had some pretty considerable benefits.

Their life may not have been as good as the rights people enjoy today, but they where far better off than the 'free' working class of the 1800's.
 
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Who are you trying to justify?

What may be known about God is plain to you, because he has made it plain to you.
Since the creation of the world, his invisibie qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what was made.

So you are without excuse.

Although you know God, you neither glorify him nor give him thanks, but your thinking has become futile and your foolish heart is darkened. Although you claim to be wise, you have become a fool.
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Matthew 5:22

....But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.
 
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Are you people actually trying to justify slavery? Seriously, think about what you're saying.
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what of those who are servants in modern times? do you condon their slavery? Yet, without servants, who would fill the jobs. Servants in the Bible is the same as saying employees today.
 
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JGPS said:
Hebrew slaves had guaranteed freedom if they choose it after their contract was done. They had rights and protections. They even had some pretty considerable benefits.
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And what of the foreigners taken as slaves?
 
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Thanks for pointing out a biblical contradiction.
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Or is it? (space for that 10 character requirment needed for posting a post. Do you think that is 10 characters now? I do not know, let me count? Shoot! I cannot count that high so I will hit the post botton and hope for the best).
 
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<---------bible scoffers
 
Shilo

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Haha! ok....

Exodus 21:20-21

And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
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Exodus 21:20
[SUP]20 [/SUP]“Anyone who strikes( punishes) their male or female slave with a rod ( word of God) must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result,

Please look through love.

We who call Yeshua our Lord ( master) will be punished if we sin. This punishment even when every hard willnot kill us it we turn to the lord. The punishment itself is for the purpose to turn us back to him.

John 11:4 When he heard this, Jesus said, "Thissickness will not end in death. No, it is for God's glory so that God's Son maybe glorified through it

Proverbs 3:12 because the LORD disciplines those heloves, as a father the son he delights in.

Hebrews 12:6 because the Lord disciplines those he loves,and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son."

Revelation 3:19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. Sobe earnest, and repent.

Deuteronomy 8:5 Know then in your heart that as a mandisciplines his son, so the LORD your God disciplines you

Exodus 21,[SUP]21 [/SUP]but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two,since the slave is their property.

Hosea 6:2 After two days he will revive us; on the third day hewill restore us, that we may live in his presence.

Romans 11:25 want you to understand this mystery,dear brothers and sisters, so that you will not feel proud about yourselves.Some of the people of Israel have hardhearts ( are being punished), but this will last only until the full number of Gentiles comes to Christ

Romans 11:24 After all, if you were cut out of an olivetree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into acultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches,be grafted into their own olive tree

Hebrews 12:11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.
 
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And what of the foreigners taken as slaves?
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Their progeny would be naturalized after three or seven generations. A very long time to be sure, but at least it was done. It's still a far cry from how the Americans made the blacks a perpetual slave race.
 
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And what of the foreigners taken as slaves?
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Hebrew servant , slave ( believer ) cannot go free until his time is served. ( can eat Passover)

Foreigner slaves ( wolves in sheep’s clothing ) can be freed if they were harmed. ( can’t eat Passover)

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

Passover Restrictions

Exodus 12[SUP]43[/SUP]TheLord said to Mosesand Aaron, “These are the regulations for the Passover meal:
“No foreigner may eat it. [SUP]44 [/SUP]Any slave you have bought may eat it after you have circumcised him, [SUP]45 [/SUP]but atemporary resident or a hired worker may not eat it.

Genesis 15:2 But Abram replied, "O SovereignLORD, what good are all your blessings when I don't even have a son? Since you've given me no children, Eliezer of Damascus ( foreigner by the flesh but servant by Spirit), a servant in my household, will inherit all my wealth

Romans 8:17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs--heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ,if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
We as Hebrew ( those who cross over)slaves can eat The Passover ( The word)and when we do we become children of God no longer slaves.
John 8:35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever.
 
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GodBible said:
Elin said:
their foolish hearts were darkened. . .although they claimed to be wise,
they became fools
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Matthew 5:22: ....But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.
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Tell it to Paul (Ro 1:21-22).
 
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Nothing wrong with asking questions but making a claim before you know that facts

proverbs 18:13 He that answers a matter before he hears it, it is folly and shame unto him.

proverbs 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

proverbs 17 Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue.Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.
 
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