some things from paul that many omit

sevenseas · Feb 23, 2017

I missed this

Is there a thread or threads on this forum you can point me to where people are saying you can believe in Jesus but do not need to change anything?

I'm not sure why you are drumming on this subject. I've read the objections to what you are saying and I can understand those better then what you are saying.

RomansToPhilemon · Feb 23, 2017

followjesus said:

titus 1:16 "They PROFESS that they know God; but IN WORKS THEY DENY HIM, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every GOOD WORK REPROBATE."

Titus 2:11-14 "For the GRACE OF GOD that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, TEACHING US that, DENYING UNGODLINESS and WORLDLY LUSTS, we should live SOBERLY, RIGHTEOUSLY, and GODLY, IN THIS PRESENT WORLD; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; WHO GAVE HIMSELF FOR US, THAT HE MIGHT REDEEM US FROM ALL INIQUITY, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of GOOD WORKS."

Titus 3:8 "This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou AFFIRM CONSTANTLY, that THEY WICH HAVE BELIEVED IN GOD MIGHT BE CAREFUL TO MANTAIN GOOD WORKS. These things are good and profitable unto men."

a consistant part of pauls ministry that many people deny, or insist " thats not really what hes saying" Pauls ministry wasnt different in principles such as repentance of sin , what paul often refers to as " Works of the flesh" and we Know He is talking about sinful actions and attitudes because of scripture in His letters like this

Galatians 5:19-21 "Now THE WORKS OF THE FLESH ARE MANIFEST, which are THESE; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. "

This really is not even debatable if a person accepts the scripture, certainly this is not all of pauls doctrine, but makes very clear things many deny. that those who continue on in sinful lives, doing these types of things, will not inherit the Kingdom of God, and when paul is saying " works of the flesh" He is absolutely talking about our conduct.

romans 16 :25-26 "Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the SCRIPTURES OF THE PROPHETS, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, MADE KNOWN TO ALL NATIONS FOR THE OBEDIENCE OF FAITH"

The reason The gospel was given to all nations, is to bring them into obedience, not to exclude believers from Obedience and accountability. That idea is not from God. What we do, matters greatly In Christ.

You are omitting the revelation of the mystery given to Paul. You are mixing Old Testament truths with Paul's mystery truths. Mixing prophecy with mystery. Big no no. Mixing Israel with the body of Christ. Rom 16.25, Eph 3.3-7, Eph 3.9-10, 1 Cor 2.6-8, Col 1.25-26, Gal 1.11-12, Titus 1.2-3.

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followjesus · Feb 23, 2017

sevenseas said:

well possibly if you dont grasp what im saying, read someone you do grasp and find benificial. as far as i know this is a public forum where we arent obligated to make sure each person agrees or understands. so because you understand others better, doesnt it make sense to discuss things with those folks? it would be great if everything everyone wrote on this site, everyone else came and agreed with and we all knew what everyone else does , unfortunately thats not how it works here. there are alot of people here i dont understand either , my solution is to let them be and discuss with people who do grasp, and also share things that myself and they do understand, otherwise its a constant argument.

The difference in what some people understand and others understand concerning the gospel boils down to either accepting Jesus ministry as the gospel which it is, or excluding His ministry and labeling it " the law of moses" which it is not. and there are many unconditional salvation thread, many people here who deny Jesus mnistry and claim a scripture or 2 from paul as the gospel. But either way though because you find no value in what ive written, i wouldnt waste time reading it. No one needs accept or believe anything i say. they need to accept Jesus Christ and everything He says, simply because He is the Lord.

and this is a Bible discussion forum, so discussing the bible is kind of the purpose whether 10 agree and 1000 disagree isnt my problem or responsability. I think if you browse awhile you will probably find benificial threads that you do understand, and on those threads, you probably wont see me given that i dont go to threads i already Know i disagree with, the same debates ive had for a year or so, same views clashing is unfruitful with the same folks.

God bless you though either way and I hope you find better threads in the future that edify you and anyone else who has an issue with me

Theres alot of Knowledgable people on Here, sharing alot of Good scriptures and thoughts written differently, expressed probably better ect. i honestly dont understand why people come to a thread, and insist a person needs to make them understand, thats no ones Job. I write what i write, just like anyone else Here and believe what i write Just like anyone else Here. so i would say, Be Blessed and God Loves you very much<<< which im sure we can agree on.

followjesus · Feb 23, 2017

RomansToPhilemon said:

You are omitting the revelation of the mystery given to Paul. You are mixing Old Testament truths with Paul's mystery truths. Mixing prophecy with mystery. Big no no. Mixing Israel with the body of Christ. Rom 16.25, Eph 3.3-7, Eph 3.9-10, 1 Cor 2.6-8, Col 1.25-26, Gal 1.11-12, Titus 1.2-3.

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ugh.....okay thank you. God bless you

Stephen63 · Feb 23, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

I see plenty of excuses to not do what Jesus said, & IMO, nothing but a bunch of cowpoo.

Gal 6: 1Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted. 2Bear one another’s burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ.
1Cor 9:19For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a slave to all, so that I may win more. 20To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law; 21to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law. 22To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some. 23I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it.

Grace777x70 · Feb 23, 2017

I have posted this many times but I will do it again just to address the malice.

I think Jesus was the greatest grace teacher as well as the greatest law preacher.

Jesus gave the law of Moses 2.0 on steroids to those that thought they could live by the law of Moses for life and righteousness and thus expose their need for a Savior.

Jesus also gave grace to those that knew they needed a Savior and to them He gave pure grace with it's empowerments to live by Him alone.

People often say to those that speak of the grace of God and that they are not under the law of Moses anymore that they believe they are without "laws" now.

We do have laws in the New Covenant. They are exciting laws that bring life and wholeness to us all - because these are all Christ Himself in us.

There is no greater revelation than to know Him and the Father and to plumb the depths of their love and grace towards us which Paul says in Eph. 2:7 - the Father will be doing for all the ages to come to us.

Ephesians 2:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

Jesus fulfilled the law. The law was a mere shadow of the real thing which was Jesus.

Read the law to see Jesus in it and to know that Jesus did that for us and His life in us now leads us in all things. Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.

We now live by:

1) The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. ( Romans 8:2 )

2) The law of love ( Romans 13:10 James 2:8 )

3) The law of faith ( Romans 3:27 and the law of Moses is NOT of faith - Gal. 3:12 )

4) The law of liberty ( James 1:25 )

5) The law of Christ - which is Christ Himself in us. ( Gal. 6:2 )

We can trust the Holy Spirit in us to lead us in all affairs of life. We don't go back to the law of Moses that were a shadow of the real thing which is Christ in us.. Jesus is more then enough.

Yes...we glory in the laws that we have in the New Covenant because they are all Christ Himself living in and through us. ( Gal.2:20 and Col. 3:3 )

Get this wrong and we create a religion which really nullifies the grace of God from operating in our lives like it was meant to.

Galatians 5:22-23 (NASB)

[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

followjesus · Feb 23, 2017

sevenseas said:

Okay nowwww i got ya, your a joseph prince believer. and im sure the gospel ministry of Jesus Christ is " the Law of moses" and you died to the Law, therefore anything Jesus said about obeying Him doesnt apply to you because "Jesus taught the Law when he said anything about repenting and obedience.......now i completely understand why you dont understand what i write.

this wont make a difference but...

Luke 6: 46-49 "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? 47Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: 48He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. 49But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great."

Paul.... " acts 26: 19-23 "Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: 20But shewed FIRST unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, AND THEN TO THE GENTILES, that they should REPENT AND TURN TO GOD, and DO WORKS MEET FOR REPENTANCE. 21For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me. 22Having therefore obtained help of God, I CONTINUE UNTO THIS DAY, witnessing both to small and great, SAYING NONE OTHER THINGS THAN THOSE which the prophets and Moses did say should come: 23That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should SHEW LIGHT unto the people, AND TO the Gentiles."

Peter acts 3:17-26 "And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers. 18But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled. 19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. 22For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

23And it shall come to pass, that EVERY SOUL, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. 24Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. 25Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall ALL KINDREDS OF THE EARTH BE BLESSED. 26Unto YOU FIRST God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in TURNING YOU every one of you FROM HIS INIQUITIES."

Hebrews 5:9-10 " Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that OBEY HIM; 10Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec"

matthew 28:20 "Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and TEACHING THEM to OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the "age.”"

in short, repentance of sin is required for salvation, obedience to Jesus Christ is essential. Grace doesnt over rule Jesus, it is simply part of the Gospel, Grace and truth. Grace through Faith. finally

1 john 5:2-3 "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."

2 john 1:9-10 "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:"

and in the op that apparently you have missed, and DEFINATELY a waste of time to debate whether repentance of sin is a requirement, and whether the 4 gospels are the gospel < and absolutely 100 percent How we behave changes our standing With God after accepting His sons suffering and death on our behalf. what we do matters whether we serve sin or God will determine salvation.

but after you respond lets agree to disagree because we do agreethat this debate is useless, my ointention isnt to draw people into a debate But discuss things with people that have the understanding that can help me grow, and those who arent constantly debating things like " what christians do dont matter because once you say " Jesus is Lord" you can never lose salvation. that to me is Just like eden, God said if you do this you will die, satan said nah...you wont die its good for you it will make you like God.

There is no unconditional salvation, salvation is outlined and detailed By the One who Gave it, and it requires repentance of sin, and following Jesus as He says again and again.

followjesus · Feb 23, 2017

Stephen63 said:

yup, thats what i see too, but of course " thats not what were saying"...but the gospel "really" is just grace friend, whoich means rest, do nothing, dont be fooled into actaully believing Jesus who is the One who says very clearly many times over " Obey my word" Keep my teachings" saying im lord is not going to save you, you must do these things...as you know well. God bless you

Stephen63 · Feb 23, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

So, you say all that in a roundabout way to make the statement that all of Jesus' teachings before the cross are OT law, & are void because they're not New Testament teachings. At least that's what the grand heretic Joseph Prince teaches.

followjesus · Feb 23, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

Thats just the issue bruce you pluck verses and avoid the others

ephesians 5:Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 2And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.3But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 5For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.6Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 7Be not ye therefore partakers with them."

Look at this here, first paul says " be followers of God as children...then Jesus sacrificed Himself for you you always stop here though continue and see the rest

3But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 5For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God." one thing doesnt omit the other. or look at your quote and how you avoided what was before it

glatians 5:16-23 "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18But IF ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

19Now the works of the flesh are MANIFEST WICH ARE THESE; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."

yet out of all that teacing of paul you quoted the result of all paul Just said about repentance, following the spirit. so that you can say " Look there is no Law" forget the repentance of sin paul Just taught clearly as a reuirement of inheritance, almost exactly as He did in ephesians letter. when a person Just plucks what sopunds unconditional they can make anything say whatever they wish.

its a teaching that leads to the fruit of the spirit, by repenting of our sinful behaviors and attitudes, and also following the spirit of Jesus Christ. the teaching there will lead to the result and freedom from Law. following Jesus leads to freedom, just Like He said in John 8:31-32. Just like paul says again and again. repentance of our sinful actions is not something Jesus did for us, its what we do because we have faith in the one who said "repent" and then His apostles taught " repent".....your quote is a true scripture, but the context is all around it that brings understanding.

there is nothing in this [SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law."

Grace777x70 · Feb 23, 2017

followjesus said:

Thats just the issue bruce you pluck verses and avoid the others

ephesians 5:Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 2And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.3But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 5For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.6Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 7Be not ye therefore partakers with them."

Look at this here, first paul says " be followers of God as children...then Jesus sacrificed Himself for you you always stop here though continue and see the rest

3But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 5For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God." one thing doesnt omit the other. or look at your quote and how you avoided what was before it

glatians 5:16-23 "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18But IF ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

19Now the works of the flesh are MANIFEST WICH ARE THESE; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."

yet out of all that teacing of paul you quoted the result of all paul Just said about repentance, following the spirit. so that you can say " Look there is no Law" forget the repentance of sin paul Just taught clearly as a reuirement of inheritance, almost exactly as He did in ephesians letter. when a person Just plucks what sopunds unconditional they can make anything say whatever they wish.

its a teaching that leads to the fruit of the spirit, by repenting of our sinful behaviors and attitudes, and also following the spirit of Jesus Christ. the teaching there will lead to the result and freedom from Law. following Jesus leads to freedom, just Like He said in John 8:31-32. Just like paul says again and again. repentance of our sinful actions is not something Jesus did for us, its what we do because we have faith in the one who said "repent" and then His apostles taught " repent".....your quote is a true scripture, but the context is all around it that brings understanding.

there is nothing in this [SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law."

I don't quote the whole bible every time I am making a point. Either we live by the life of Christ in us or we live by the law of Moses or our own self-effort. You can choose what you want. I choose Christ and all that He has already done for us.

This trying to still lie about me not believing in repenting is a bunch of religious nonsense and just reveals your malice and if that's the way you want to live - then so be it. I forgive you and bless you in the name of the Lord. Our Lord will be faithful to you and reveal His grace, loveliness and life to you.

Grace777x70 · Feb 23, 2017

followjesus said:

This is a load of religious garbage. My goodness Jason - your malice has distorted your mind. You know better then this. This is not who you really are in the Lord. Awake to righteousness. Awake to who you are in the Lord.....

JesusRules1 · Feb 23, 2017

A Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,and will show the characteristics of the Spirit,so a Spirit led life is not under the law,for they are abstaining from sin,and loving people perfectly,so the law cannot touch them for prosecution.

Any time a saint commits a sin,they are back under the law,because they are led of the flesh at that time,so the law can touch them for prosecution,which Paul said we do not void out the law through faith,but we establish the law.

When they give up the sin,not wanting it,and mean it,then they are not under the law.

If they hold unto a sin,the whole time they hold unto a sin,they are under the law,for they are not led of the Spirit,but the flesh.

We have to abstain from sin by the Spirit,for a Spirit led life which will abstain from sin is not under the law,not someone that claims Christ,engaging in adultery is not under the law.

Claiming Christ alone is not what causes a person to not be under the law,but being led of the Spirit causes a person to not be under the law.

1Co 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Paul said he better keep under his body,and bring it into subjection,abstain from sin,for if not,he will be a castaway that will be worse than Gilligan's Island.

We need to be like a lion tamer with a whip and a chair,saying to the flesh,back you beast,be in submission.

sevenseas · Feb 23, 2017

followjesus said:

so I conclude there is no one you can point me to? no thread in which people here have said salvation means keep on sinning?

you might just have said that instead of spinning your wheels for nothing

who is Joseph Prince and how does someone believe in him?

I basically just got here and I am trying to get a sense of things and it seems I keep running into blowhards who like to blast others

you don't have the common sense to discuss things without accusing

you cannot point me to anyone here or a thread that would validate what you are saying

I think I understand that now

you sure do get in a huff in a hurry and over nothing LOL!

followjesus · Feb 23, 2017

Stephen63 said:

Yep, the motivation wioth his disciples is ALWAYS to omit the Word of Jesus, because they conflict with the heretical teachings that flood the church. For the grace distortions, it is required to somehow omit Jesus and the Gospel of the Kingdom, thats why j.p. teaches people that Jesus taught the law, and then " we died to the Law" so the gospel then has to be only what paul says, BUT nothing He teaches about behavior, repentance, obedience righteousness...only the part that can be made to fit the unconditional doctrine. ive heard

"Paul didnt teach the Kingdom of God" He says He did.
"Paul never taught that repentance is a neccesaty" Paul says He taught nothing but repentance and faith in Christ as the prophets beforehand Had.
Ive heard" Jesus taught the Law just to let people understand doing right isnt possible"
and a thousand other reasons why the gospel, just isnt the gospel. its strange that the scriptures have no effect lol

mark 1:14-15 "Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD, 15And saying, THE TIME IS FULFILLED and the KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND : REPENT YE AND BELIEVE THE GOSPEL."

Luke 4:18"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPELto the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,"

lUKE 4:43 "And he said unto them, I must PREACH THE KINGDOM OF GOD to other cities also: for therefore am I sent."

Matthew 4:23 "And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people."

But of course " the gospel was only what paul preached after Jesus "re preached the mosaic Law" lol

Even if you show them such astounding proof from moses, to paul it all hinges on what j.p. says in his latest book. even if what He teaches is completely contrary to Jesus Christ, makes no difference. when people are more apt to believe thier preacher over Jesus and the rest of scripture, it shows how blinding false doctrine is, especially when it offers a free pass into eternal Life. it doesnt matter what Jesus says , its like the fruit in the garden bro. God said what Jesus said, in all eternal authority. yet there is another voice " surely God isnt saying i need to follow Jesus and trust what He says, naw...im already in, i dont need to hear and obey God, thats just trying to earn my way in and an insult to God

its Just reading in the dark woithout the Light. terribly destructive doctrine that teaches people to turn against Jesus gospel, and revolutionize it by excluding the Only One who can save.

Whats worse is the sense of security and lack of Godly fear. actually teaching from plucked verses like " perfect love casts out fear" when perfect Love is to obey Gods commands, and when were doing that through the power of the spirit, there is no reason to fear. It teaches that to have a clear conscience is to just deny your sin, no need to even acknowledge or repent, confess, because well..God can no longer see you sin, all he sees is Jesus perfection regardless of what you do.

So the adulterer who obviously wants to fornicate, hey Im already saved, i might as well live it up on earth cuz in heaven i wont be able to live for pleasure anymore. if that were true i might as well go back to drugs, alcohol, sleeping with peoples wives, fighting in bars every weekend and every other bond ive been freed from through following Jesus word. strange though because Like He said, those who choose to actually do what He says those bonds fall away One by one. lusts of the flesh that once bound a powerless person, broken by the strength of Gods Son, and its as simple as John 8:31-32, or John 14 or the hundred other times were told the same things......but theres been a revolution of glorious glooorious grace

sorry bro for the rant lol im so on the same page with you tho,

Grace777x70 · Feb 24, 2017

sevenseas said:

Sometimes it's just best to ignore these types as malice has a hold of them. They will distort what is being said to make it appear to be something else. Now you too are a heretic...lol...religion is so much fun! - But they would kill you if they were allowed to.

I advise to just ignore these types and leave them in the hands of the Lord. He will be faithful to them to reveal His Son - our Lord to them. The love and grace of God in Christ will be revealed to them by the Holy Spirit.

sevenseas · Feb 24, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

It seems asking a question is against their 'law'

What a mashup of the Bible and then presented as the gospel

The hostility is real!

Grace777x70 · Feb 24, 2017

sevenseas said:

Yep....it has always been that way. There will be those that will be against the son of the free woman as Paul says in Gal. 4.

Start living by faith in Christ's finished work and there will be those that oppose that and they will persecute you in any form they can. It's best just to bless them and leave them in the Lord's hands.

Galatians 4:28-31 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise.

[SUP]29 [/SUP] But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also.

[SUP]30 [/SUP] But what does the Scripture say? "CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON, FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE AN HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN."

[SUP]31 [/SUP] So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.

FreeNChrist · Feb 24, 2017

sevenseas said:

Welcome to the jungle, sevenseas.

PeterJens · Feb 24, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

These non-discussions do become miss-leading.
What G7 is saying is literally nonsense.

No law - no judgement, no sin
Condemnation - a sense of total failure and need
Christ does it all - obedience is just a gift to God, not necessary
No repentance - nothing to get right, God has already done it all and forgiven everything
Faith - a one off event that seals us forever in God

A believers walk
The cross - brings forgiveness and love to our hearts, new birth
Repentance & confession - a way to resolve failure and transform our hearts
love - The power that drives us deeper into Christ and serving others
Faith - We are counted righteous, friends of Christ as we walk in obedience
Word - Dwelling on the word of God renews our spirits in the way
Holy Spirit - Our inner fellowship and communion with the living God

A lot of contradictions and lies are spoken about what people actually believe.
If you have no law then you have no sin.
But if there is no sin, why is there such a strong sense of condemnation and lostness?

And if there is no need of repentance, why are people continually repenting and confessing
sin which does not exist and getting themselves right with God?

The false teaching being shared simply does not match up with the spiritual reality in peoples
lives, or with scripture. It is mirage theology which is used to excuse failure and attack
believers in Christ who are following their Lord while maintaining this sense of indignation and
anger which I have witnessed often.

The real unbelief is expressed by those who deny the very sin they are doing, getting right
with God, allowing Him into their hearts and being honest with their own emotional and spiritual
needs while claiming great spiritual authority and inspiration of the Holy Spirit and of the Word.

Put simply, they cannot be right. They are not living according to their own beliefs, but the
combination of ideas appears to keep them happy though it will decay and run away before the
Lord of hosts.

some things from paul that many omit

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