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Um no, they did not believe him to save their lives, He just did it. In spite of their unbelief. He told themflat out,. They would not enter his rest because of their unbelief.

They never showed change stunned, did you or did you not? Are you really going to say you were like the
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Yeah, I'm saying I was exactly like them. He had to keep proving to me His faithfulness. I believed Him to save me but then grumbled and complained at everything that happened to me after that. I read that story and the whole way through I can pick out myself and say, oh yeah, I did that, oh yeah, I did that too.
 
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If they didn't believe Him to save their lives, they would have been insane to step out in that water...
Psalms 95: 10 For forty years I was grieved with that generation,
And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts,
And they do not know My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’”



Is this you stunned, did this resemble you thge last decade? What point of God telling them they will not enter because of unbelief do you not get ?

Did you change, or did you continue in sin and continue to not trust God for 11 years. Did God come at you in his wrath because you were led astray for 11 years, and you did not know his ways?

You opened the question up. Not me..


 
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Yeah, I'm saying I was exactly like them. He had to keep proving to me His faithfulness. I believed Him to save me but then grumbled and complained at everything that happened to me after that. I read that story and the whole way through I can pick out myself and say, oh yeah, I did that, oh yeah, I did that too.

You were exactly like them?

Then how can you claim you were saved and not under Gods wrath?
 
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Psalms 95: 10 For forty years I was grieved with that generation,
And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts,
And they do not know My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’”



Is this you stunned, did this resemble you thge last decade? What point of God telling them they will not enter because of unbelief do you not get ?

Did you change, or did you continue in sin and continue to not trust God for 11 years.

You opened the question up. Not me..


Yes. For 11 years I continued and carried on in the sin of unbelief and mistrust that He would actually do all He said He would. I complained when He seemed to disappear to me and it made me panic and ask, why did you save me only to let me die of thirst? And I saved more than enough for the day and worried constantly that I had to save millions of dollars for retirement.
 
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If they didn't believe Him to save their lives, they would have been insane to step out in that water...
They followed moses not God. Proven by the fact after this happened they yelled and said God sent ethem there so they could starve to death.

They NEVER trusted God. Any more than Judas did.
 
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Yes. For 11 years I continued and carried on in the sin of unbelief and mistrust that He would actually do all He said He would. I complained when He seemed to disappear to me and it made me panic and ask, why did you save me only to let me die of thirst? And I saved more than enough for the day and worried constantly that I had to save millions of dollars for retirement.
So you continued in sin for 11 years? And never trusted God?
 
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You were exactly like them?

Then how can you claim you were saved and not under Gods wrath?
I don't know. Big mystery. Because even though I had some unbelief and mistrust, He still communed with me a lot and confirmed I was His child and had such great patience I can't even believe it.
 
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I'm in a race to trust more and more and for longer and longer periods of time without leaving off that trust. The only way I'll make it across the finish line is to keep trusting Him and to keep trusting Him more and more. Because if it was on my shoulders to get me there safely, I'd have fainted dead a long time ago.
 
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I don't know. Big mystery. Because even though I had some unbelief and mistrust, He still communed with me a lot and confirmed I was His child and had such great patience I can't even believe it.
all of us have doubts and fears, if we say we do not, we are lying to ourselves. But that is not what the children of Isreal did, we can not compair us having to grow in christ, with them, they never grew, because they never had seed. They chose to say no. Because they had free will
 
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GOD loks at the heart,Its hard to kick against the pricks meaning your conscience.
 
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The point isn't just to trust God to me. The point is to KEEP trusting and to GROW in trust. And He has been faithful to grow it.

God loves us and keep us even when we fail to trust him in areas of our lives. Even when we are faithless, he remains faithfull.

They had no faith their hearts weree alwasy evil they never knew God,. That is the point. I doubt that can be said of you.
 

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Did not a 1/3 of the angels choose to not serve the Creator they were made to serve? Did not Jonah have the ability to say yes or no to God? Was King Saul forced to fulfill his anointment as king? Did not Mordecai warn Esther of God finding another person to fulfill her role if she refused?
 
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I'm in a race to trust more and more and for longer and longer periods of time without leaving off that trust. The only way I'll make it across the finish line is to keep trusting Him and to keep trusting Him more and more. Because if it was on my shoulders to get me there safely, I'd have fainted dead a long time ago.

I am with you on that.. We must freely chose to trust God, even in hard times, not that we always do. We fail many times. At least I know I have.
 

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Israel saw a miracle so huge you almost cant believe it. They saw walls of water just standing up, suspended, as they walked through dry. No one in their right mind would walk in under that if they weren't believing God that they were to cross and He would keep them safe. But THEN, their hearts became evil and unbelieving and mistrusting.

Er...ahem...I just lost my train of thought and what point I was trying to make EG...:D
There was a reason why these stories were written'

1 Cor. 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Just saying :^)
 

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Funny thing about Paul. He wasn't told to go anywhere. He talked them into letting him go for the specific purpose of killing Christians. I don't know who you would consider the worst bad guy in the world, but imagine you had the tenacity and experience to assassinate that guy. (First thoughts for me go to the leader of North Korea.) And so you go to Washington and actually talk them into letting you go and doing just that. Because "bad guy" and "really deserves to die to save so many people." That was Paul's mindset on that trip. In his mind, he was going after the likes of Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein. And we'd all be cheering him, had we known what he was up to.

In what free will scenario can you imagine being talked out of that mission?

AND, if you were actually able to be talked out of it, what words would have worked? Whatever they were, wouldn't it take hours to persuade you not to do that? And under which particular argument would you have been won over?

Now, Paul gets knocked off his ass and just a few sentences worked for him.

Was that his free will, or God's will?

You and I have something in common. We do NOT easily give in to changing our minds. Consider Saul up to this moment. Does he seem wishy-washy, and easy to change his mind too? Doesn't he seem more like us?

And yet -- zap! Mind changed! Really miraculous mind change too. He was off being Mr. Evangelist within half a year. Something really weird happened at that moment. And heavy-duty, no-holds-bar, rough-em-up debate wasn't it.

I really do believe in free choice. We are free to chose whatever we want only limited by our abilities and nature. (I can choose all I want to go to the moon, but I will never be going to the moon, limitations.)

Saul did not choose that light. He did not choose hitting the ground at that moment. He did not choose Jesus. Jesus chose him. And once he did that, then Paul freely chose Jesus too.

Same thing happened to me, minus blinding light and donkey ride. lol
I've seen God knock a few people off their ass before (or should I say high horse...lol) and yet they were still too stubborn to listen to him...

I should know because I'm one of those stubborn folks that got knocked down a few times before I chose to listen to, submit to him, and accept him into my life.:)
 
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What Paul experienced paled in comparison to what pharaoh experienced, yet he hardened his heart.
 
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Cannot resist adding this today.

A meme under the heading of "Things Paul Never Said."


And yet we still have many kicking against the goads who refuse to give God all the glory. Unreal. Never mind: it's real and not surprised.
 

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And yet we still have many kicking against the goads who refuse to give God all the glory. Unreal. Never mind: it's real and not surprised.
Make no mistake, all the glory goes to God because it's through his mercy and the blood of the Lamb that we even get a chance to be saved. :)
 

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And yet we still have many kicking against the goads who refuse to give God all the glory. Unreal. Never mind: it's real and not surprised.
And yes Paul was kicking against the pricks...or fighting against God...It only took him getting hit back once to stop it...but that doesn't mean all people will respond that way.

I'm not really sure if Jonah ever stopped kicking against the pricks. Hopefully he did, but I don't know for sure because it ends with God still having to strike down the gourd over his head and explain to him why he did it.

Pharaoh, on the other hand, never learned. He kept right on hardening his heart and fighting against God until God finally hardened his heart to the point of no return and destroyed him.
 
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