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Deade

Deade

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Let's not forget that Paul was on his way to kill these heretic Christians. He thought he was doing God service. Once he realized that Jesus was from God, he was easy to steer in the right direction.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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1ofthem said:
Make no mistake, all the glory goes to God because it's through his mercy and the blood of the Lamb that we even get a chance to be saved. :)
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I never heard a person who was rescued from a situation because they chose to have faith in their savior and do what they said, even if it meant, do nothing, and allow him to save you, boast of saving himself. Or giving himself any credit.

Imagine what that would look like..

” I saved myself. I sat still, I trusted completely in the person who was sent to rescue me, and I let him do all the work. I did nothing but sit there and let him save me, I just trusted him, because I knew my situation was hopless and I could nto save myself, oh how great i am.. Yay me!! I pat myself on the back every dfay, because I did such a great work. I earned myt salvation!!”

if they would just listen to themselves.

 
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eternally-gratefull

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1ofthem said:
Yeah, I know I just don't get it...I never heard anyone bragging about or even hinting around to saving themselves either...so I just really can't comprehend what some people are even talking about when they say that saying that we accepted the gift of God (salvation) through faith is somehow saying that we saved ourselves.
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I love my fatalistic brothers and sisters. But I think it comes out of fear. Fear of doing ANYTHING which might even resemble doing a work. I can think of no other explanation.
 
1ofthem

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eternally-gratefull said:
I love my fatalistic brothers and sisters. But I think it comes out of fear. Fear of doing ANYTHING which might even resemble doing a work..
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Glad you quoted me there I tried to edit that post and lost it somehow..lol

And yeah I agree, I am fond of many of my Calvinist brothers and sisters...Just don't agree with them on that part of it:)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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1ofthem said:
Glad you quoted me there I tried to edit that post and lost it somehow..lol

And yeah I agree, I am fond of many of my Calvinist brothers and sisters...Just don't agree with them on that part of it:)
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Wow it is gone, thank God they do not erase from a quote also when they are deleted..lol


 
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eternally-gratefull said:
If they believed and trusted God, they would have never doubted. Every time a situation came up. They doubted God. Time after time, God had to prove to them he was trustworthy, Time after time they kept seeing the miracles. And still when push came to shive, they doubted.

why? They may have belioeved God, but they never had FAITH in God.

Paul came out of his miracle and proived his faith was real by taking action, He was not perfect. Unlike the jews, He never doubted God and complained every time a situation arose where they were in tribulation or distress.
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And out of those 2 million + Israelites, (I like to count the women and children), who left Egypt, how many went into the Promise Land? Joshua, Caleb, and those who were under 20 when they left Egypt. Most of the adults died along the way.
 
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Lucy-Pevensie said:
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Actually, it wasn't. Lots of carts had to go through, huge herds, plus 2 million + people quickly. Too much chance for breaking legs or carts getting stuck. If God can clear a very large sea, what's drying the bottom to him, too?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Oh boy. So the tax collector who made a free will decision to get on his knees and call out for GFod to have mercy on his soul is a myth and fabrication.

Forgive me angela. But if you did nto chose to say yes to God. And ask him to apply his grace to your sins. Then I would question you

The fact is, even if this did happen as you say it did, YOU STILL had to chose to say yes God I believe you and by your grace I will fgollow. or say no God I do not believe you. And refuse to do what you say.

You still had to make a free will decision. God did not force you to say yes, or keep you from saying no. He will never push a person beyond their free will. Ever!
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I went to see Jesus Christ Superstar, asked God to make himself as real to me as the man on the stage, (Notice. Did not ask him to be saved, or come into my heart, or for grace, or anything else), went home, and went to bed. Woke up the next morning and he was real to me. Still had no clue what to do next. Didn't even know anything about needing faith, or grace, or even forgiveness. Never dawned on me.

But I had to learn more, wanted to spend time with him, and didn't know how. Yes? Yes to what? He gave me exactly what I asked for. Intimately know he is that real.

So much for all my duty of how I saved myself.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Paul got knocked off the ass, yes he did

Paul still had to chose to say yes or no. God did not force his will on Paul. Or force paul to say yes apposed to pauls will

Paul could have just as easily layed their in his Blind state and cursed God,
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Where did Paul say yes?
 
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jaybird88

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depleted needs to make a calendar with all her little stuffed animal pics. i wanna see a dogs playing poker arrangement.
 
posthuman

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3[SUP]rd[/SUP] page? counter-meme not yet discovered?


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posthuman

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Depleted said:
Actually, it wasn't. Lots of carts had to go through, huge herds, plus 2 million + people quickly. Too much chance for breaking legs or carts getting stuck. If God can clear a very large sea, what's drying the bottom to him, too?
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yes

The sons of Israel went through the midst of the sea on the dry land, and the waters were like a wall to them on their right hand and on their left.
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Gabriel2020

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He split the waters of the JORDAN RIVER for them also.
 
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Stunnedbygrace

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eternally-gratefull said:
all of us have doubts and fears, if we say we do not, we are lying to ourselves. But that is not what the children of Isreal did, we can not compair us having to grow in christ, with them, they never grew, because they never had seed. They chose to say no. Because they had free will
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Well...if I read the story and see that I have made all of the same mistakes they did, I HAVE to compare myself to them, don't I?
If I made all the same mistakes, I'm like them. And...I can't say the difference between them and me is that I chose to have trust and they chose to not have trust because I am too scared to say that since my trust is: and that not of myself but a gift.
So I'm afraid to boast in that way and say that it's of myself.

I do understand the doctrine that you are arguing for, EG. I just can't accept it.

Here is how I understand the verse:

Saved BY grace, THROUGH trust, and that trust not of yourself, so that no man can boast of his trust as a choice he made to be saved.
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
GOD loks at the heart,Its hard to kick against the pricks meaning your conscience.
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1ofthem said:
Make no mistake, all the glory goes to God because it's through his mercy and the blood of the Lamb that we even get a chance to be saved. :)
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God is.
God is sovereign.
Thus nothing is left to chance.
 
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1ofthem said:
And yes Paul was kicking against the pricks...or fighting against God...It only took him getting hit back once to stop it...but that doesn't mean all people will respond that way.

I'm not really sure if Jonah ever stopped kicking against the pricks. Hopefully he did, but I don't know for sure because it ends with God still having to strike down the gourd over his head and explain to him why he did it.

Pharaoh, on the other hand, never learned. He kept right on hardening his heart and fighting against God until God finally hardened his heart to the point of no return and destroyed him.
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Paul was never given the chance.
Jonah was never given the chance. (Being puked out by a fish right along the shoreline of where God would have Jonah go? Not a chance! lol)
Pharaoh was never given a chance.
You were never given a chance.

I do think the Lord is a mighty fisherman. He'll give us a lot of line or no line, but guaranteed, if he's fishing for us, he's landing us.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I never heard a person who was rescued from a situation because they chose to have faith in their savior and do what they said, even if it meant, do nothing, and allow him to save you, boast of saving himself. Or giving himself any credit.

Imagine what that would look like..

” I saved myself. I sat still, I trusted completely in the person who was sent to rescue me, and I let him do all the work. I did nothing but sit there and let him save me, I just trusted him, because I knew my situation was hopless and I could nto save myself, oh how great i am.. Yay me!! I pat myself on the back every dfay, because I did such a great work. I earned myt salvation!!”

if they would just listen to themselves.

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Yes. Ask Lazarus how much he helped Jesus rescue him from death.
 
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Depleted

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Deade said:
Let's not forget that Paul was on his way to kill these heretic Christians. He thought he was doing God service. Once he realized that Jesus was from God, and is God, he was easy to steer in the right direction.
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Fixed it for you.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I love my fatalistic brothers and sisters. But I think it comes out of fear. Fear of doing ANYTHING which might even resemble doing a work. I can think of no other explanation.
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Are fatalists brothers and sisters? It seems to me if you believe in fate -- some unknown force playing willy-nilly on the universe -- it's not a Christian belief.
 
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