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God is.
God is sovereign.
Thus nothing is left to chance.
Isaiah 46:10
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
And we also know that it is not his will that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. We know that if this is his will then he could definitely perform it, right. So logically then, why is it that some will perish? Isn't it because he set it up so that man has to make the choice?
It's been that way since the beginning. Adam had a choice to obey or not obey and so has all men throughout time since then. Pharaoh had a choice, Noah had a choice, Paul had a choice...He didn't make any of them accept him and obey him, though. Although, I'm sure he made a few wish that they had, it still ultimately came down to their own choice.
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did he not go and do what Jesus asked? Or did he pout? and walk away spending his life blind
It does nto take a brain surgeon to figure these things 0out. His actions PROVED he said yes. If he did nto say yes, He would have never have acted.
Did Noah say yes? Where did he say yes? He acted.. trhats how we know he said yes..
It does nto take a brain surgeon to figure these things 0out. His actions PROVED he said yes. If he did nto say yes, He would have never have acted.
Did Noah say yes? Where did he say yes? He acted.. trhats how we know he said yes..
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I am sorry sis, I do not believe you made all the mistakes they did.
God saisd they did not enter because of unbelief, If you lived 11 years in unbelief. I think we can determine you were not saved those 11 years. Should I asume that? Because that is what God said, they never knew him, A person who does nto know God is unsaved, you do realise that do you not?
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Lets see. Paul could have said no
Jonah said no numerous times, and almost died for it (he would have died if he did not chose to say ok god I give)
Pharoah was given how many cnahces, yet still in the end chose to rebell.
I was never given a change? If I was never given a chance. I would still be lost in my sin. As would you, whether you believe it or not.
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You did not answer how a person could boast of saving himself because he said yes lord. Do you hae an answer?
Lazarus was an event to prove who God was.. Trying to use it to say free will is null and oid is not applicable.
Again, can you responmd to what I said. Or do you just want to do as you always do?
Lazarus was an event to prove who God was.. Trying to use it to say free will is null and oid is not applicable.
Again, can you responmd to what I said. Or do you just want to do as you always do?
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Your the one who believes in fate my friend,
everyone is either saved or doomed.. and they have no choice, their fate is determines.
I agree with you, some source playing nlly willy on the universe and making them all do (making them all robots) what he wants is not a christian thing. Nor is it the way of a loving all caring God who wants to have a relationship with his creation.
everyone is either saved or doomed.. and they have no choice, their fate is determines.
I agree with you, some source playing nlly willy on the universe and making them all do (making them all robots) what he wants is not a christian thing. Nor is it the way of a loving all caring God who wants to have a relationship with his creation.
Trying to think of how to explain...one of the apostles says: WHO was it that God saved? Israel. Nevertheless, He became angry with them and swore (after He saved them) that they would not enter into what He promised them. The reason given was because of unbelief.
Then the apostle says: so take care that none of YOU become evil and unbelieving as they did and so fail to enter His rest.
But He gave them 40 years to see if they would begin to trust. So my 11 years is not so bad. He's patient.
But you can't say it is doubtful that God saved Israel. It's plain that He did. But I guess you can say He didn't save me until after I became fully obedient in trust, because only I know that He was in me during all that time.
I'm not sure you will see how we can be likened to Israel in the desert. It may just confuse you.
What the apostle is trying to say is: Who did God save but then later become angry with after He saved them?
Then the apostle says: so take care that none of YOU become evil and unbelieving as they did and so fail to enter His rest.
But He gave them 40 years to see if they would begin to trust. So my 11 years is not so bad. He's patient.
But you can't say it is doubtful that God saved Israel. It's plain that He did. But I guess you can say He didn't save me until after I became fully obedient in trust, because only I know that He was in me during all that time.
I'm not sure you will see how we can be likened to Israel in the desert. It may just confuse you.
What the apostle is trying to say is: Who did God save but then later become angry with after He saved them?
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Your Trying to equate yourself with evil, Unbelieving sinners. They did not enter the promised land (representative of heaven) because of unbelief.
God promised to save Isreal. And he did, Israel still lives till this day,
He never promised to save everyone who was part of Isreal.
They did rest while in the wilderness because they had no faith. Yet God still did for them, because he loved them.
Again, if your going to try to relate yourself to them unbelievers. I feel sorry for you. If you were saved, you would be NOTHING like them.
God promised to save Isreal. And he did, Israel still lives till this day,
He never promised to save everyone who was part of Isreal.
They did rest while in the wilderness because they had no faith. Yet God still did for them, because he loved them.
Again, if your going to try to relate yourself to them unbelievers. I feel sorry for you. If you were saved, you would be NOTHING like them.
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He never said it was his will that none in the world would perish. He said he gave his only begotten son to "whosoever believes." He also said what we would do with this gift. We will hide in the darkness to keep our sin. And finally, he said how that was fixed. The Father carried it out the light dinking.
John 3:[FONT="]16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”[/FONT]
John 3:[FONT="]16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”[/FONT]
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Paul and Noah never said yes or no. They just did.
Have you ever bought a car or a house? In doing either or both, did you not weigh heavily the pros and the cons of that choice? Important decisions, so I'm assuming you have. You even still remember some of the pros and cons.
What were the pros and cons of following the Lord? An even more important decision to house or car. And yet, I know you never thought out the pros and cons, because it wasn't your choice. It was HIS choice.
Have you ever bought a car or a house? In doing either or both, did you not weigh heavily the pros and the cons of that choice? Important decisions, so I'm assuming you have. You even still remember some of the pros and cons.
What were the pros and cons of following the Lord? An even more important decision to house or car. And yet, I know you never thought out the pros and cons, because it wasn't your choice. It was HIS choice.