SUFFERING AS YOUR ACT OF WORSHIP
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Some people we just can't interact with because if you believe something different then they do in a non-essential subject - they will jump on you and verbally attack you and Paul says to just avoid them as no good can come from interacting with them. Rom. 16:17
It's just the flesh acting up and we all do it from time to time but there are those that are continually exhibiting this type of behavior. Those are the ones Paul is talking about in Rom. 16:17 and in 1 Cor. 5:11.
Non-essentials are tongues, end times, believing in healing the way "I or my group does"....etc.
Essentials are the deity of Christ. - we are saved by grace through faith in Christ alone that His blood has redeemed us and that through Him alone we have the forgiveness of sins.
It's just the flesh acting up and we all do it from time to time but there are those that are continually exhibiting this type of behavior. Those are the ones Paul is talking about in Rom. 16:17 and in 1 Cor. 5:11.
Non-essentials are tongues, end times, believing in healing the way "I or my group does"....etc.
Essentials are the deity of Christ. - we are saved by grace through faith in Christ alone that His blood has redeemed us and that through Him alone we have the forgiveness of sins.
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All I can say is consider the source.....
it's almost funny he says 'some people we cannot interact with'
he only can interact with own 'kind' I guess
he has formulated his own theology garnered from literally hundreds if not thousands of videos
apparently he has way more time on his hands then most people and wishes to include us in his religious mashup of garnered wisdom from youtube
he can't stay away though. he has to keep coming back like people running to an accident scene
after all, the grace guru must get his message out
half the people responding in the thread are exactly what the op is writing about
those who are wof and those who say they aren't but then insist God wants to heal everyone even though it never happens
anyway, the best before date on this thread expired some ways back
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and while he pretends he doesn't judge he flings about accusations of malice, deceit, lying and any number of judgemental names
the hypocrisy is not only staggering, it's in a class by itself
laugh? cry? I guess like proverbs you either answer a fool according to their folly or just ignore it
good advice
the hypocrisy is not only staggering, it's in a class by itself
laugh? cry? I guess like proverbs you either answer a fool according to their folly or just ignore it
good advice
I consider it an essential doctrine when when I was accused by WoF people of not having enough "faith" to be healed. Because it is God who gives faith, it is not something I drum up by sheer will power. And if I God didn't give me enough faith to be healed, then he also didn't give me enough faith to be saved.
"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast." Eph 2:8-9
"For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned." Romans 12:3
That is the logical end of the Word Faith doctrine. It ties to soteriology, and claims healing is related to the atonement, which is pure eisegesis, based on pulling Isa 53d out of context, and in the 2 NT references, which also do not say healing is in the atonement.
Really, the entire end of WoF claiming ALL sickness must be healed, is that anyone who is not healed, is therefore not saved!
Fortunately for me, God has used suffering to transform me! That includes physical pain, but also emotional, social and so many circumstances beyond my control. God did not send sickness on me, but he does allow it, because we live in a fallen world. Jesus is the only one who was not fallen, as a man, which is why he could reverse sickness. But then even he suffered terribly, and strangely, it helped him develop character! Because being perfect, means perfect character!
"Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered. 9 And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him," Hebrews 5:8-9
Please note the Greek for the word "suffering." In verse 8 above is ἔπαθεν, which means, "suffering." Just in case there is anyone with limited Greek trying to translate it to fit their personal bias.
All I can say is consider the source.....
...and if you use Scripture to refute him, he'll pull out the verse "we look through a dark glass" then exclaim no one can really know.
Except for him of course.
If that doesn't work he'll claim you're a heretic hunter, or, you're just filled with malice when Scripturally exposing wolves as per Biblical mandate.
And, of course -- he knows all the false heretical teachers really love God, he can just tell. LOL!!!!!!!!! Bro, you're wasting your time with that false teacher.
I agree. It is really quite obvious. But we just walk on and pray for them and bless them in the name of the Lord. All is well....
1 Peter 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,
Colossians 3:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But now you also, put them all aside: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech from your mouth.
1 Peter 2:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He uttered no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously;
"Jesus healed every sick one that came to him, and he turned no sick one away"
I see that quote often on the BDF. The problem is that I don't believe that those citing it are Jesus.
Maybe it's time to look at the reason that Jesus came to us. I recommend that those hung up on the above quote study John chapter 3. If you aren't into Bible study, just read it. Either way, you will find the reason.
I see that quote often on the BDF. The problem is that I don't believe that those citing it are Jesus.
Maybe it's time to look at the reason that Jesus came to us. I recommend that those hung up on the above quote study John chapter 3. If you aren't into Bible study, just read it. Either way, you will find the reason.
It's such a sad and depressing thing when believers have been taught to suffer and fight for things that Christ has already attained for us. Many of us Christians don't know because we have never been taught. We have been given ground to hold on to and have been charged to keep it and not allow the enemy to steal it from us.
Being good stewards of the manifold blessings and grace of God in Christ is part of our stewardship here on earth. Jesus did the suffering and the fighting for us. We are charged to fight the good fight of faith and so we rest. There is a rest for the people of God. The only way to enter in to His rest is by faith.
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oh my,
have you not ever taken 'responsiblity' for yerself, mate???
bye the waye, I just was led to this 'Thread' a few ago', I've not read the others,
as YET...we've 'both of us suffered 'greatly', as have so many our brothers and sisters./.
oh my,
have you not ever taken 'responsiblity' for yerself, mate???
bye the waye, I just was led to this 'Thread' a few ago', I've not read the others,
as YET...we've 'both of us suffered 'greatly', as have so many our brothers and sisters./.
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Amen thank you for that verse in 3John2 Mitspa. Many of those who are prospering in the faith can and NEED to be prospering in their bodies and minds as well. I'm so sorry that they won't yet because they have not been taught to OR taught that they even can and should!
As a matter of fact many have been taught to run from any kind of health or prosperity of the body. Many a God fearing and sweet Christian has not been taught how to hear the Holy Spirit in the matters of healing and prosperity of life today before we get to heaven.
Instead voices of believers raise in anger for the state of things as they are. By faith we are to pray for those things that are not as though they really ARE because that is how the Lord works in our lives by grace through faith. Until we learn how to do that kind of thinking and praying we can actually die for lack of knowledge.
There are people of God who die for lack of knowledge because they won't be able to act on the Word they hear. They are taught not to hear it that way and so they can only act on what they believe. That is why John prays for the believers like that. We all know many beautiful Christians who suffer for lack of knowledge. That is why the Bible says how beautiful are the feet of them who bring the good news., the body of Christ. How will they hear if no one is sent to tell them?
So there are many who are sent and who are telling. It's our decision to believe or not. No one can believe for us.
You are correct in pointing this out Bruce. Believers come in many shapes and sizes and have different tastes in music, fashion and so on. To judge a brother or sister for the outfits they wear or the style of song or the church they go to shows a lack in understanding and grace. I appreciate the videos you post and the ability God has given you to spot on answer a question asked with the proper Bible verses and the proper resources for those who need or want time to study it out. Those who come against you need more grace.
A big Amen to that brother! We will be attacked the whole time we are here on earth from the world, the flesh and the devil. We are not to be ignorant of his devices. But in all those things we are more than conquerors in Christ. We have the victory in Christ and we maintain our place by faith in His accomplished work in and through us.
We are all walking through this "pilgrim land" and while we do., we are to be available to be PUT to remembrance about who we REALLY are and what we have REALLY been given because it is a "so great a salvation". That is the battle ground and we have the Holy Spirit to maintain us and hold us with His seal while we learn how to live by faith.
