The Book Of Enoch
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Stick with the KJV
Genesis 6:1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, [SUP]2 [/SUP]That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
The offsprings are still men.
Yet the Book of Enoch said they were giants that consumed mankind and when they were done, began consuming animals and birds.
The Book of Enoch Online
Chapter 7 of the Book of Enoch:
"1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms 2 and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they 3 became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed 4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against 5 them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and 6 fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones."
Mankind is still around. Noah & his family survived. The book of Enoch is fraudulent.
Genesis 6:1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, [SUP]2 [/SUP]That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
The offsprings are still men.
Yet the Book of Enoch said they were giants that consumed mankind and when they were done, began consuming animals and birds.
The Book of Enoch Online
Chapter 7 of the Book of Enoch:
"1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms 2 and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they 3 became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed 4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against 5 them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and 6 fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones."
Mankind is still around. Noah & his family survived. The book of Enoch is fraudulent.
I think the men who penned the bible were inspired...I think the men who canonized the scripture were not......
I know that the bible requires two or three witnesses to prove something true (yes I know the context) and yet I see a few books that did not make the cannon referenced and or directly quoted numerous times through out the bible and one has to wonder why they were not included if they were referenced and or quoted by the men who were inspired.....
I know that the bible requires two or three witnesses to prove something true (yes I know the context) and yet I see a few books that did not make the cannon referenced and or directly quoted numerous times through out the bible and one has to wonder why they were not included if they were referenced and or quoted by the men who were inspired.....
I do think the men who canonized the books included in the Bible were also inspired and led by the SPIRIT . I think they had more their eyes on babes who, not fully understanding the divinity of JESUS as the WORD of GOD made flesh who came into the world to save those who would believe, chose those books that would clearly reveal HIS divinity and kept out those books which did not. I think they wanted to ensure that those who did pick up the BOBLE would come to the TRUE REVELATION of CHRIST as both LORD and SAVIOUR
and not just another teacher of wisdom
and not just another teacher of wisdom
From gotquestions.org
Question: "What is the book of Enoch and should it be in the Bible?"
Answer: The Book of Enoch is any of several pseudepigraphal (falsely attributed works, texts whose claimed authorship is unfounded) works that attribute themselves to Enoch, the great-grandfather of Noah; that is, Enoch son of Jared (Genesis 5:18). Enoch is also one of the two people in the Bible taken up to heaven without dying (the other being Elijah), as the Bible says "And Enoch walked with God, and he was not; for God took him." (Genesis 5:24; see also Hebrews 11:5). Most commonly, the phrase "Book of Enoch" refers to 1 Enoch, which is wholly extant only in the Ethiopic language.
The biblical book of Jude quotes from the Book of Enoch in verses 14-15, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: ‘See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.’” But this does not mean the Book of Enoch is inspired by God and should be in the Bible.
Jude’s quote is not the only quote in the Bible from a non-biblical source. The Apostle Paul quotes Epimenides in Titus 1:12 but that does not mean we should give any additional authority to Epimenides’ writings. The same is true with Jude, verses 14-15. Jude quoting from the book of Enoch does not indicate the entire Book of Enoch is inspired, or even true. All it means is that particular verse is true. It is interesting to note that no scholars believe the Book of Enoch to have truly been written by the Enoch in the Bible. Enoch was seven generations from Adam, prior to the Flood (Genesis 5:1-24). Evidently, though, this was genuinely something that Enoch prophesied – or the Bible would not attribute it to him, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men…” (Jude 14). This saying of Enoch was evidently handed down by tradition, and eventually recorded in the Book of Enoch.
We should treat the Book of Enoch (and the other books like it) in the same manner we do the other Apocryphal writings. Some of what the Apocrypha says is true and correct, but at the same time, much of it is false and historically inaccurate. If you read these books, you have to treat them as interesting but fallible historical documents, not as the inspired, authoritative Word of God.
Question: "What is the book of Enoch and should it be in the Bible?"
Answer: The Book of Enoch is any of several pseudepigraphal (falsely attributed works, texts whose claimed authorship is unfounded) works that attribute themselves to Enoch, the great-grandfather of Noah; that is, Enoch son of Jared (Genesis 5:18). Enoch is also one of the two people in the Bible taken up to heaven without dying (the other being Elijah), as the Bible says "And Enoch walked with God, and he was not; for God took him." (Genesis 5:24; see also Hebrews 11:5). Most commonly, the phrase "Book of Enoch" refers to 1 Enoch, which is wholly extant only in the Ethiopic language.
The biblical book of Jude quotes from the Book of Enoch in verses 14-15, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: ‘See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.’” But this does not mean the Book of Enoch is inspired by God and should be in the Bible.
Jude’s quote is not the only quote in the Bible from a non-biblical source. The Apostle Paul quotes Epimenides in Titus 1:12 but that does not mean we should give any additional authority to Epimenides’ writings. The same is true with Jude, verses 14-15. Jude quoting from the book of Enoch does not indicate the entire Book of Enoch is inspired, or even true. All it means is that particular verse is true. It is interesting to note that no scholars believe the Book of Enoch to have truly been written by the Enoch in the Bible. Enoch was seven generations from Adam, prior to the Flood (Genesis 5:1-24). Evidently, though, this was genuinely something that Enoch prophesied – or the Bible would not attribute it to him, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men…” (Jude 14). This saying of Enoch was evidently handed down by tradition, and eventually recorded in the Book of Enoch.
We should treat the Book of Enoch (and the other books like it) in the same manner we do the other Apocryphal writings. Some of what the Apocrypha says is true and correct, but at the same time, much of it is false and historically inaccurate. If you read these books, you have to treat them as interesting but fallible historical documents, not as the inspired, authoritative Word of God.
and I would counter that I have read Enoch and found nothing that negated and or took away from the word of God....the bible is replete with history, stories and accounts that are truth yet with no particular application when it comes to pointing at Jesus......NOT SAYING he is not woven throughout.......
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Well, that's the rub, isn't it? We have to believe the attendees at the Council of Nicea were inspired or we have to believe something else. We can't know for sure because none of us was there and we can't interview those men to ask them what they felt or why they voted as they did.
It's too bad that discussions about inspired/non-inspired works turns into another all-or-not. If you don't like anything that isn't in your 66 books of the Bible, then don't read them. If you like the extra-biblical stuff, then read it. Arguing about it is pointless. Neither side is right. Even engaging in the debate makes you look foolish.
It's too bad that discussions about inspired/non-inspired works turns into another all-or-not. If you don't like anything that isn't in your 66 books of the Bible, then don't read them. If you like the extra-biblical stuff, then read it. Arguing about it is pointless. Neither side is right. Even engaging in the debate makes you look foolish.
I do think the men who canonized the books included in the Bible were also inspired and led by the SPIRIT .
I think they had more their eyes on babes who, not fully understanding the divinity of JESUS CHRIST as THE SON of GOD who came forth from GOD...the WORD of GOD made flesh who came into the world to save those who would believe, might not fully enter in by and through and because of their faith properly and rightly directed in and on Christ Jesus alone
but rather, taking the words and sayings and teachings of apocryphal texts thinking that by interpreting and clinging to wise teachings and sayings on paper (rather than clinging to THE LORD ALONE) would treat CHRIST no different than just another wisdom teacher
i also think that this is what drove the council at Nicea
Church elders who knew the truth and divinity of CHRIST, wanted to ensure that babies new to the faith would enter the faith which should be directed in and on CHRIST JESUS. I think they understood that if one treated CHRIST as no different than plato...Aristotle...they ran the risk of becoming "truncated Christians" never having fully entered in
I think they had more their eyes on babes who, not fully understanding the divinity of JESUS CHRIST as THE SON of GOD who came forth from GOD...the WORD of GOD made flesh who came into the world to save those who would believe, might not fully enter in by and through and because of their faith properly and rightly directed in and on Christ Jesus alone
but rather, taking the words and sayings and teachings of apocryphal texts thinking that by interpreting and clinging to wise teachings and sayings on paper (rather than clinging to THE LORD ALONE) would treat CHRIST no different than just another wisdom teacher
i also think that this is what drove the council at Nicea
Church elders who knew the truth and divinity of CHRIST, wanted to ensure that babies new to the faith would enter the faith which should be directed in and on CHRIST JESUS. I think they understood that if one treated CHRIST as no different than plato...Aristotle...they ran the risk of becoming "truncated Christians" never having fully entered in
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...or it could have been a group of guys gathered together under orders of the Roman emperor and were instructed to canonize scripture of the new "State Religion" because Constantine saw an opportunity to use Christianity for his own benefit and political machinations.
...but I'm a "glass is half empty and how dare you bring me only half a glass of water" type of guy.
...but I'm a "glass is half empty and how dare you bring me only half a glass of water" type of guy.