The Book Of Enoch

[Meggido]

That is the whole point of God joining a male and a female to become one flesh in a marriage; to build a family; and that is why angels are not marrying nor given in marriage because they were not created to reproduce after their kind in building a family of angels. And if they cannot reproduce, then neither can fallen angels and certainly, God would not join any fallen angel to a woman on earth to be called "wives" in His words. Therefore the sons of God are of the godly lineage of Seth.



Fallen angels do not "reside" in Heaven. They have fallen from that place. They can accuse the brethren there, but they do not "reside" there. When the door to the Marriage Supper is shut at the pre trib rapture event, they will not be accusing the brethren any more, and Satan knows by then that his time is short on earth.



How do you know if the Book of Enoch had not plagiarized the Book of Jude?

Given in marriage does not mean Sex...you are just a scared little baptist trying to cling to carnal reasoning and vomiting back all the fill in the blanks Bible beleivers bible studies you hand out....

Do you know the role sex plays in the depraved powers of darkness? This might be a study in which you might actually learn something.

What proof do you offer that it was? aside from all your communicated knowledge blathering...

 

[Enow]

I'm asking you for scripture to back this up.

If you think I am referring to angels who left their first estate to marry women, you are wrong. This is pertaining to all angels that have left their first estate and have become fallen angels, and that include Satan. They are still on the loose.

This event below will happen when the door to the Marriage Supper is shut after the devil & his angels have been cast out so the pre raptured saints can celebrate with the Lord Jesus Christ.

Revelation 12:[SUP]9 [/SUP]And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.[SUP]10 [/SUP]And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

The chains bounding them in judgment is referring to the lake of fire.

2 Peter 2:[SUP]4 [/SUP]For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

I believe the above passage has to be taken as they are in the process of being cast down to hell, because not all that sinned are in hell since Jesus casted out the devils "Legion" that was in that demonically possessed man. Legion's fear was being sent to the void. Anyway, I believe they are still on the loose, obviously as all have sinned, and left their citizenship in Heaven but they can still visit Heaven to accuse the brethren as per Revelation 12:9-10 referenced above earlier.

Jude 1:[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

So I combine 2 Peter 2:4 with Jude 1:6 as testifying that Satan and his angels are "reserved for judgment" as they are cast down to hell, thus they can never be redeemed, but they are all still on the loose, obviously, as they are on their way to hell when that judgment day comes.

Revelation 20:[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Did not Jesus cast out devils in His time? Have not believers cast out devils in their times? Are there not believers casting our devils in our times? And yet how do we align the scripture that all the angels that have sinned are cast down to hell, AND delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; when obviously not all the angels that have sinned that have left their first estate are in hell? They are casted down to hell, but not in hell yet as they are bound by judgment to go there when their day comes.

So they are still on the loose obviously, but bound for hell when their day of judgment comes.

 

[Enow]

Given in marriage does not mean Sex...

God joins man and woman together to become one flesh. God commanded Adam & Eve to multiply. The term "sons of God" has sons derived from the Hebrew word "ben" as builder of the family name. Marriage means sex, brother.

1 Corinthians 7:[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.[SUP]4 [/SUP]The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.[SUP]5 [/SUP]Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

you are just a scared little baptist trying to cling to carnal reasoning and vomiting back all the fill in the blanks Bible beleivers bible studies you hand out....

Are we losing our cool here, brother? You know, making statements like this does require proof on your part, even when attacking personally as you are doing.

Stick to the topic. Address or even attack the post; but not the poster, okay, brother?

Out of all the denomenational churches, I prefer Baptist, but I am not a Baptist, because if a Baptist preach heresies, the Lord shall lead me to reprove it. I am called to be His disciple in representing Him & His words and not a church & I rely on Him as my Good shepherd to do this.

Do you know the role sex plays in the depraved powers of darkness? This might be a study in which you might actually learn something.

What proof do you offer that it was? aside from all your communicated knowledge blathering...

Jude 1:14 is quoting about Enoch; not the Book of Enoch.

As no lie can be of the truth and there are lies in the Book of Enoch, then in now way would Jude referenced a verse out of the Book of Enoch. The Book of Enoch plagiarized that verse from Jude. Plain and simple.

 

[miknik5]

For marrying outside of the godly line of Seth? No, but He permitted it just as God allowed Jews to marry outside the nation of Israel, even though it went against His will, but His word stands for any man or woman when getting married; He joins them together. He will not join same sex together nor an angel, let alone a fallen angel with a woman because that is not the covenant of marriage that God had set up when creating Eve out of Adam.

So God permitted the sons of God ( where sons was translated from the Hebrews word "ben" meaning builder of the family name...) signifying the ancestors of Israel's family tree, marrying outside the godly lineage of Seth, and the consequences also served as a reminder when any one of the nation of Israel do that too in seeing any woman outside the nation of Israel as beautiful and thus taking a wife from another nation.

So is there any hope for the daughters of men's offspring since she bares both male and female children?


i would like to discuss Jacob's wives and how you perceive them

 

[miknik5]

Remember, it wasn't after Jacobs name was changed to Israel that he married to himself these women

 

[miknik5]

By means of the union, the woman (even if she was a "daughter of men") was tied to her husband and accounted to as belonging in his house

if you don't understand what I am saying, review the heritage of Leah, and her handmaid and Rachel and her handmaid


and their sons who were counted in Israel

 

[Enow]

So is there any hope for the daughters of men's offspring since she bares both male and female children?

Not sure what you are referring to by that question, but there is hope in Jesus Christ for every one now.

 

[Zen]

The chains bounding them in judgment is referring to the lake of fire.

2 Peter 2:[SUP]4 [/SUP]For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

I believe the above passage has to be taken as they are in the process of being cast down to hell, because not all that sinned are in hell since Jesus casted out the devils "Legion" that was in that demonically possessed man. Legion's fear was being sent to the void. Anyway, I believe they are still on the loose, obviously as all have sinned, and left their citizenship in Heaven but they can still visit Heaven to accuse the brethren as per Revelation 12:9-10 referenced above earlier.

Jude 1:[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

So I combine 2 Peter 2:4 with Jude 1:6 as testifying that Satan and his angels are "reserved for judgment" as they are cast down to hell, thus they can never be redeemed, but they are all still on the loose, obviously, as they are on their way to hell when that judgment day comes.

Revelation 20:[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Did not Jesus cast out devils in His time? Have not believers cast out devils in their times? Are there not believers casting our devils in our times? And yet how do we align the scripture that all the angels that have sinned are cast down to hell, AND delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; when obviously not all the angels that have sinned that have left their first estate are in hell? They are casted down to hell, but not in hell yet as they are bound by judgment to go there when their day comes.

So they are still on the loose obviously, but bound for hell when their day of judgment comes.

The first thing I will say is the lake of fire is not "chains of darkness".

That place is where everything bad will end up, after the great judgement of God at the very end. Hell will go there, and death, and then the accuser and all its cronies.

In bold, in your quote, I highlighted the past-tense, i.e. it has happened, not 'is happening' or 'will happen'.

In red, I highlighted the act of being put in to chains in darkness (hell is described as a dungeon by people who have been there to see it).

In blue, I highlighted the fact that it's a temporary measure and place BEFORE the judgement.

To make sense of this, imagine someone killing you and then putting handcuffs on you before they decide whether to kill you or not. That's essentially what you're saying, you believe that they go to the final place of punishment (burning), before God judges them and sends them to the place of punishment. It doesn't make sense. The lake of fire is a big pit in the centre of hell and all the contents of hell will be thrown in it, there won't be need for it after the great judgement.

The second thing I will add is I believe the unclean spirits / angels in their light form are the ones that appear, I believe they had flesh which is in hell. This would both explain why there are still enemies of God corrupting the world and also agree with the scripture that God has already put them in darkness.

I think I've been visited by the adversary probably 3 times, and 2 of them it was masquerading as an angel of light, i.e. a ball of light, dim gold/orangishyellow in color. This leads me to conclude that these are essentially the energy form, not flesh. The same kind of deal if you astral project (leads to demonic attack--not recommended), your higher self leaves your body and is vulnerable. I believe they do this from in darkness of hell.

The evidence to back this up is that I had a vision, and I was in paradise (I think, it was pleasant and had grass and rocks if I recall correctly) and I vaguely remember being surrounded by other Christians, and Lord Jesus came and sat with us. I don't remember much after this but I found this in the scripture;

Ephesians 2:6
And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus

I believe our higher selves are with God in paradise, where as the angels are in hell and their 'higher selves' are corrupting the world possessing people, etc.

 

[Meggido]

God joins man and woman together to become one flesh. God commanded Adam & Eve to multiply. The term "sons of God" has sons derived from the Hebrew word "ben" as builder of the family name. Marriage means sex, brother.

1 Corinthians 7:[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.[SUP]4 [/SUP]The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.[SUP]5 [/SUP]Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.



Are we losing our cool here, brother? You know, making statements like this does require proof on your part, even when attacking personally as you are doing.

Stick to the topic. Address or even attack the post; but not the poster, okay, brother?

Out of all the denomenational churches, I prefer Baptist, but I am not a Baptist, because if a Baptist preach heresies, the Lord shall lead me to reprove it. I am called to be His disciple in representing Him & His words and not a church & I rely on Him as my Good shepherd to do this.



Jude 1:14 is quoting about Enoch; not the Book of Enoch.

As no lie can be of the truth and there are lies in the Book of Enoch, then in now way would Jude referenced a verse out of the Book of Enoch. The Book of Enoch plagiarized that verse from Jude. Plain and simple.

Of course! You have no proof about Enoch other than aggrandizing speculations....I knew calling you a Baptist would cause your pride and arrogance to manifest and reveal to me the self appointed, self approved, self validated false elder/prophet you claim you are. One working for God in isolation....is the one always in deception....

Welcome to ignore

 

[Enow]

i would like to discuss Jacob's wives and how you perceive them

Remember, it wasn't after Jacobs name was changed to Israel that he married to himself these women

By means of the union, the woman (even if she was a "daughter of men") was tied to her husband and accounted to as belonging in his house

if you don't understand what I am saying, review the heritage of Leah, and her handmaid and Rachel and her handmaid


and their sons who were counted in Israel

All of this is before Israel became a nation when Moses led them out of the land of Egypt and Joshua led them into the promised land.

They may be counted as ancestors of Israel, but that was before Israel became a nation before the laws were handed down that no one was to have more than one wife and they were not allowed to marry within an immediate family even though Abraham had done so.

Genesis 20:[SUP]11 [/SUP]And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake.[SUP]12 [/SUP]And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.

The laws of the nation of Israel that was handed down by Moses from God was not in place over Israel's ancestry.

But Jesus defined what marriage was in the scripture.

Mark 10:[SUP]6 [/SUP]But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;[SUP] 8 [/SUP]And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.[SUP]9 [/SUP]What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Jesus validated Genesis 's creation week.

 

[Enow]

Of course! You have no proof about Enoch other than aggrandizing speculations....I knew calling you a Baptist would cause your pride and arrogance to manifest and reveal to me the self appointed, self approved, self validated false elder/prophet you claim you are. One working for God in isolation....is the one always in deception....

Welcome to ignore

As if I had not been on ignore. I have more speaking against Enoch than you do speaking for Enoch, and you did not offer any opposing proof to the contrary. Not even a speculation, because you have no basis for one, whereas I do.

 

[miknik5]

All of this is before Israel became a nation when Moses led them out of the land of Egypt and Joshua led them into the promised land.

They may be counted as ancestors of Israel, but that was before Israel became a nation before the laws were handed down that no one was to have more than one wife and they were not allowed to marry within an immediate family even though Abraham had done so.

Genesis 20:[SUP]11 [/SUP]And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake.[SUP]12 [/SUP]And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.

The laws of the nation of Israel that was handed down by Moses from God was not in place over Israel's ancestry.

But Jesus defined what marriage was in the scripture.

Mark 10:[SUP]6 [/SUP]But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;[SUP] 8 [/SUP]And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.[SUP]9 [/SUP]What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Jesus validated Genesis 's creation week.

All of this after the promise to ABRAHAM


By the way, GOD identified HIMSELF to Moses as the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob


Same GOD
Same PROMISE


(physical Israel was not THE PROMISE GOD pointed to from the beginning)

 

[miknik5]

Not all who claim to be of Israel are of ISRAEL

Remember, GOD made a distinction even before the first passover (which also was a picture of sacrifice and redemption)
GOD made a distinction between Egypt/pharaoh/his sons and flock and Israel/GOD/and His sons and flock

and GOD alone will call out from "Egypt" and bring into "ISRAEL", HIS SON

for that is THE TRUE ISRAEL of GOD

 

[miknik5]

All of this is before Israel became a nation when Moses led them out of the land of Egypt and Joshua led them into the promised land.

They may be counted as ancestors of Israel, but that was before Israel became a nation before the laws were handed down that no one was to have more than one wife and they were not allowed to marry within an immediate family even though Abraham had done so.

Genesis 20:[SUP]11 [/SUP]And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake.[SUP]12 [/SUP]And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.

The laws of the nation of Israel that was handed down by Moses from God was not in place over Israel's ancestry.

But Jesus defined what marriage was in the scripture.

Mark 10:[SUP]6 [/SUP]But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;[SUP] 8 [/SUP]And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.[SUP]9 [/SUP]What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Jesus validated Genesis 's creation week.

What do you mean they may have been counted as the ancestors of Israel?

these 12 sons made up the heads of the 12 tribes of Israel

They were the very First Nation of Israel

 

[S-word]

If you are wondering about Jude, then ask yourself how Moses had written intimate detail of what he had written of the first five books of the Bible? Moses was inspired by the Holy Ghost. So why not Jude in citing the person Enoch; not the Book.

No way can the Book of Enoch, supposedly penned by Enoch, would survive the flood, and be handed down as it supposedly has been long before Israel became a nation from which Moses was inspired to establish Israel's roots then as scripture.

The Book of Enoch is a fraud when it contains lies running against the accepted scripture as there can be no lie of the truth.

When God speaks, it is carried out and done. Isaiah 55:11 says so

Isaiah 55:[SUP]11 [/SUP]So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

The Book of Enoch in chapter 18 just told everyone that God had lied in Isaiah 55:11 because not every time He spoke, His word came to pass, and that is why some things in nature are judged for not doing so.

So either you believe the Book of Enoch or you believe His words in Isaiah 55:11.

So Jude referring to Enoch has nothing to do with referring to the Book of Enoch nor validating that there was a Book of Enoch. Some of the writings from the Book of Enoch was plagiarized from the N.T. and if you note the plagiarism in comparing it with the rest of the writing supposedly from Enoch... the writing style is not the same throughout that Book.

Thomas Didymus Jude, the half brother to Jesus, Spoke of the prophesies of Enoch, and quoted verbatim from the book of Enoch. So Jude referring to Enoch has everything to do with referring to the Book of Enoch, from which Jesus and his apostles taught.

 

[Ariel82]

Wow, what a story.
No wonder it's not in the Bible.

I thought Jesus was the Lamb?

Enoch the anointed one, is the unblemished Lamb of God.

I believe the book of Enoch to be a false book and will lead people astray who believe it to be divinely inspired.

 

[Ariel82]

Lots of stuff was "scripture" before the 4th century, including Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Mary Magdalene, Gospel of Jesus and others. That was the reason for the Council of Nicea, to determine what was and what wasn't inspired. Even they couldn't pull it together. (The OT was pretty well settled by then though.) But the only group who considers(ed) Enoch as part of the Bible is Ethiopian Orthodox.

One would think it would be in there with the book of Job if God actually wanted it a part of scripture. He preserved the OT very well even before Jesus was born.

 

[CaptainGoat]

The books known as the Apocrypha which Enoch is one, was rejected after a while in the King James Bible as it did not contain time Holy Spirits anointing on it. The ones who were working for King James included them as they were there with the rest of the scriptures at the time. This Apocrypha we're believed to have been written during the 400 years in between the Old Testament and the times the New Testament was started.
Some of the Apocrypha were thought to be simply stories as they do not align up to the rest of the scriptures, neither do they carry the same anointing... They may well just be stories of their day. I've only read a brief bit and to be honest, they are tough going to read without having anointing... Rather like trying to read the book of Mormon in that it is tough going and meaningless! Very different from the sweetness that comes from reading Gods Word!
Be aware if God told me to read them I would!

 

[Gabriel2020]

I'm beginning to see something in the book of Enoch that has grabbed my attention,and I will go before the alter of God and ask for revelation concerning this. The only question is where did the book come from, unless Noah had it and took it with him. This will continue.

 

[Maka]

Anyone read it?

Yes, Someone sent it to me and I downloaded the app. It's interesting...