The Book Of Enoch

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miknik5

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Stick with the KJV

Genesis 6:1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, [SUP]2 [/SUP]That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The offsprings are still men.

Yet the Book of Enoch said they were giants that consumed mankind and when they were done, began consuming animals and birds.

The Book of Enoch Online

Chapter 7 of the Book of Enoch:

"1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms 2 and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they 3 became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed 4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against 5 them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and 6 fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones."

Mankind is still around. Noah & his family survived. The book of Enoch is fraudulent.
And that doesn't sound to you like the fallen angels mixed with the seed of man and tainted the whole bloodline which is why GOD sent a flood to purify the earth and only Noah and his family passed through the waters

not to say that all that perished were these hybrids, but only Noah and his family survived and weren't So that the seed of mankind would remain (though perishable) the seed of mankind until THE PROMISED SEED which was to men only (and not fallen angels - which is shown in the book of Enoch) would come
 

J7

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But we have the mysterious Nephilim.

Genesis 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went in to the daughters of humans, who bore children to them. These were the heroes that were of old, warriors of renown.

Why afterward?

Numbers 13:33

"There we saw the Nephilim (the Anakites come from the Nephilim); and to ourselves we seemed like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”

If the Nephilim appeared before and after the flood, who on earth are they?

Extra-terrestrials?
Were Adam and his sons genetically normal, but the Nephilim DNA was carried by the wives?

So many questions....
 
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How does angel not given in marriage translate to sexual intercourse?
That is the whole point of God joining a male and a female to become one flesh in a marriage; to build a family; and that is why angels are not marrying nor given in marriage because they were not created to reproduce after their kind in building a family of angels. And if they cannot reproduce, then neither can fallen angels and certainly, God would not join any fallen angel to a woman on earth to be called "wives" in His words. Therefore the sons of God are of the godly lineage of Seth.

It also say the angels in Heaven...were exactly do you think fallen angels reside?
Fallen angels do not "reside" in Heaven. They have fallen from that place. They can accuse the brethren there, but they do not "reside" there. When the door to the Marriage Supper is shut at the pre trib rapture event, they will not be accusing the brethren any more, and Satan knows by then that his time is short on earth.

How do you explain Jude quoting the Book of Enoch?
How do you know if the Book of Enoch had not plagiarized the Book of Jude?
 
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And that doesn't sound to you like the fallen angels mixed with the seed of man and tainted the whole bloodline which is why GOD sent a flood to purify the earth and only Noah and his family passed through the waters

not to say that all that perished were these hybrids, but only Noah and his family survived and weren't So that the seed of mankind would remain (though perishable) the seed of mankind until THE PROMISED SEED which was to men only (and not fallen angels - which is shown in the book of Enoch) would come
Thanks for replying, sister.

But do consider this; If that was the reason for why the flood was given, don't you think you & I would read about that in the scripture?

God gave the reason twice for why He flooded the earth and it was not because of the bloodline being polluted.

Genesis 6:[SUP]5[/SUP]And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.[SUP]6 [/SUP]And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.[SUP]7 [/SUP]And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.[SUP]8 [/SUP]But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

This was about mankind that every imagination of the thoughts of his hearts was only evil continually. He said so here.

And again after the flood.

Genesis 8:[SUP]21 [/SUP]And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.[SUP]22 [/SUP]While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

So that was why God cursed the ground with the flood. It has nothing to do with hybrids or intermixed breeding between the celestial & the terrestrial, because God did not create the celestial to reproduce to build a family which is why they are not given in marriage, and certainly, fallen angels are not going to be called "sons of God" in His words and so neither will they be joined by God in a "holy matrimony".
 
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But we have the mysterious Nephilim.

Genesis 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went in to the daughters of humans, who bore children to them. These were the heroes that were of old, warriors of renown.

Why afterward?

Numbers 13:33

"There we saw the Nephilim (the Anakites come from the Nephilim); and to ourselves we seemed like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”

If the Nephilim appeared before and after the flood, who on earth are they?

Extra-terrestrials?
Were Adam and his sons genetically normal, but the Nephilim DNA was carried by the wives?

So many questions....
Just another word for "giants".

Go to this link below:

HTML Bible Index - King James Version - Strongs Concordance - Frames Version

Then on the left column, click on 6th chapter of Genesis;

Then scroll down and click on the word giants in verse 4 and you will see the Hebrew word "nyphiyl" with this definition:

"or nphil {nef-eel'}; from 'naphal' (5307); properly, a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:--giant."

You can confirm this yourself.

Genesis 6:[SUP]4 [/SUP]There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Goliath was such a giant, but still a man. And since Numbers 13:33 took place after the Flood, it should remove all doubts as to what the giants were; men.

Shaq, the professional basketball player, is still a man. I doubt any one would question his parentage.
 

graceNpeace

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#46
Just another word for "giants".

Go to this link below:

HTML Bible Index - King James Version - Strongs Concordance - Frames Version

Then on the left column, click on 6th chapter of Genesis;

Then scroll down and click on the word giants in verse 4 and you will see the Hebrew word "nyphiyl" with this definition:

"or nphil {nef-eel'}; from 'naphal' (5307); properly, a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:--giant."

You can confirm this yourself.

Genesis 6:[SUP]4 [/SUP]There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Goliath was such a giant, but still a man. And since Numbers 13:33 took place after the Flood, it should remove all doubts as to what the giants were; men.

Shaq, the professional basketball player, is still a man. I doubt any one would question his parentage.
Actually, Strong's may not be the best reference - it is self-referential to the KJV.
 
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Wow, what a story.
No wonder it's not in the Bible.
The books of Enoch were cherished by the early Christians right up until the fourth century, when they were banned by Dogmatic authorities of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, authorities such as Jerome, Hilary and Augustine, who believed that the subject of angels having sex with the daughters of men, was inappropriate, after being banned, they finally passed out of circulation and were thought to have been lost for Millennia.

1st Peter 1: 19-21;but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 21Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

He was chosen before the creation of the world, but which world? The previous world that was destroyed by water, as spoken of by Peter in 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Peter 3: 5; or this world which is destined to be destroyed by fire? And what was his name before he was reborn in this world?Crucifixion was a rite in the mysteries of many countries and especially those of Egypt, See ‘The Secret Doctrines,’ vol. 11, p. 558. The initiated adept, who had successfully passed all the trials, was tied to a cross deep inside a Temple Crypt or cave, he was then drugged and plunged into a deep sleep in which state, in the darkness of the bowels of the earth, he remained for three days and three nights, during which time his spirit=mind, is said to have descended into hades to communicate with the gods.

Perhaps Moses who was the adopted son of Pharaoh and who would have been afforded the best education in the country may have been initiated into the circle of the guardians of the sacred secrets.

Moses took the bread or the sacred teachings of Egypt and removed the yeast and gave to the Israelites the unleavened loaf that came down from God. --------- In the religious regulations established by Moses, Aaron would place his hand upon the head of a scapegoat, symbolically transferring the sins of Israel to the goat, which was then sent out into the wilderness to AZAZEL.

So then, who is this AZAZEL? In the margins of Good News Bible Catholic Study Edition, it is said that the meaning of this Hebrew word is unknown and it maybe the name of some desert demon. But they wouldnt have a clue, because the stone that the builders of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine had rejected has turned out to be the most important stone of all.

It is only in the writings of Enoch, the chosen cornerstone to whom all the spirits of the righteous were gathered in the creation of the man Jesus, who was Gods Temple on earth, that we find out who this Son of God named AZAZEL really is, and it was from those writings that Moses learned of AZAZELwhile in Egypt.

From the Book of Enoch the Prophet by R. H. Charles; “And Michael said to the heavenly Lord, "Seest what Azazel hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and has revealed the eternal secrets which were preserved in heaven, which men were striving to learn. And Semjaza, to whom you have given authority to bear rule over his associates (The other 199 sons of God) and they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth and have slept with them and revealed to them all kinds of sin etc.

And these are the names of their leaders; Semjaza, their leader, Arakiba, Rameel, Kakabiel, Tamiel, Ramiel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel,Zaqiel, Samsapeel, Satavel, Turel, Jomjael, and Sariel, these are the chiefs of tens.

And Azael taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tintures etc.(Tubal-cain, from a previous age of man had been an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron, which knowledge was stored in heaven when that age came to it's end)
And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, Baraqijal taught astrology, Kokabel taught the constellations (Astronomy), Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished they cried, and their cry went up to heaven.

The Lord then passed judgment on the angels who had forsaken their own original abode and came down and defiled themselves with the daughters of men; Saying to them, “You have been in heaven, but all the secrets had not been revealed to you, and those that you had were worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts, you have revealed to the women and cause much sin in the earth.

Azazel was punished separate from the others, He was taken out into the wilderness to a place called 'Dudael,' where he was cast into a deep pit and covered with rough and jagged stone, and all sin was to be ascribed to him. The others were to be bound and cast into the valley of the earth until seventy generations had passed, (Jesus was seventy generations from Enoch, see Luke 3: 23-38)

Enoch was the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] from Adam the Son of God, (See Luke 3: 38.) and Jesus was the 70[SUP]th[/SUP] from Enoch, who was the only man from the pre-flood world to have been taken to God and translated in order that he should never see death, the only man to be given the lot of eternal life.

For three thousand years or three days, (See my post in the thread titled ‘Sabbath.’) he remained within the inner dimension that co-exists with our three dimensional world, before he was born again on earth and named Jesus, who is the 11[SUP]th[/SUP] of the seventh born sons from Adam the father of Seth, See Luke 3: 23-38. 10 completes the old cycle, ten plus one equals eleven, which is the beginning of the new cycle. As the chosen ones have born the image of the first Adam, so too will they bear the image of Jesus the second Adam, who appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus in his inherited glorious body of brilliant and Blinding Light.

Elijah, the only man since the flood to have been taken up to heaven without experiencing death has now also been in the valley of man, the inner dimension for three days or three thousand years, he is to appear on earth immediately before the great tribulation ,which is to occur before the Day of the Lord, when he shall rule the Sabbath of one thousand years by means of the MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone, by raising that MAN from death. See Acts 17: 31.
 

Ahwatukee

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The books of Enoch were cherished by the early Christians right up until the fourth century, when they were banned by Dogmatic authorities of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, authorities such as Jerome, Hilary and Augustine, who believed that the subject of angels having sex with the daughters of men, was inappropriate, after being banned, they finally passed out of circulation and were thought to have been lost for Millennia.

1st Peter 1: 19-21;but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 21Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

He was chosen before the creation of the world, but which world? The previous world that was destroyed by water, as spoken of by Peter in 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Peter 3: 5; or this world which is destined to be destroyed by fire? And what was his name before he was reborn in this world?Crucifixion was a rite in the mysteries of many countries and especially those of Egypt, See ‘The Secret Doctrines,’ vol. 11, p. 558. The initiated adept, who had successfully passed all the trials, was tied to a cross deep inside a Temple Crypt or cave, he was then drugged and plunged into a deep sleep in which state, in the darkness of the bowels of the earth, he remained for three days and three nights, during which time his spirit=mind, is said to have descended into hades to communicate with the gods.

Perhaps Moses who was the adopted son of Pharaoh and who would have been afforded the best education in the country may have been initiated into the circle of the guardians of the sacred secrets.

Moses took the bread or the sacred teachings of Egypt and removed the yeast and gave to the Israelites the unleavened loaf that came down from God. --------- In the religious regulations established by Moses, Aaron would place his hand upon the head of a scapegoat, symbolically transferring the sins of Israel to the goat, which was then sent out into the wilderness to AZAZEL.

So then, who is this AZAZEL? In the margins of Good News Bible Catholic Study Edition, it is said that the meaning of this Hebrew word is unknown and it maybe the name of some desert demon. But they wouldnt have a clue, because the stone that the builders of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine had rejected has turned out to be the most important stone of all.

It is only in the writings of Enoch, the chosen cornerstone to whom all the spirits of the righteous were gathered in the creation of the man Jesus, who was Gods Temple on earth, that we find out who this Son of God named AZAZEL really is, and it was from those writings that Moses learned of AZAZELwhile in Egypt.

From the Book of Enoch the Prophet by R. H. Charles; “And Michael said to the heavenly Lord, "Seest what Azazel hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and has revealed the eternal secrets which were preserved in heaven, which men were striving to learn. And Semjaza, to whom you have given authority to bear rule over his associates (The other 199 sons of God) and they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth and have slept with them and revealed to them all kinds of sin etc.

And these are the names of their leaders; Semjaza, their leader, Arakiba, Rameel, Kakabiel, Tamiel, Ramiel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel,Zaqiel, Samsapeel, Satavel, Turel, Jomjael, and Sariel, these are the chiefs of tens.

And Azael taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tintures etc.(Tubal-cain, from a previous age of man had been an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron, which knowledge was stored in heaven when that age came to it's end)
And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, Baraqijal taught astrology, Kokabel taught the constellations (Astronomy), Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished they cried, and their cry went up to heaven.

The Lord then passed judgment on the angels who had forsaken their own original abode and came down and defiled themselves with the daughters of men; Saying to them, “You have been in heaven, but all the secrets had not been revealed to you, and those that you had were worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts, you have revealed to the women and cause much sin in the earth.

Azazel was punished separate from the others, He was taken out into the wilderness to a place called 'Dudael,' where he was cast into a deep pit and covered with rough and jagged stone, and all sin was to be ascribed to him. The others were to be bound and cast into the valley of the earth until seventy generations had passed, (Jesus was seventy generations from Enoch, see Luke 3: 23-38)

Enoch was the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] from Adam the Son of God, (See Luke 3: 38.) and Jesus was the 70[SUP]th[/SUP] from Enoch, who was the only man from the pre-flood world to have been taken to God and translated in order that he should never see death, the only man to be given the lot of eternal life.

For three thousand years or three days, (See my post in the thread titled ‘Sabbath.’) he remained within the inner dimension that co-exists with our three dimensional world, before he was born again on earth and named Jesus, who is the 11[SUP]th[/SUP] of the seventh born sons from Adam the father of Seth, See Luke 3: 23-38. 10 completes the old cycle, ten plus one equals eleven, which is the beginning of the new cycle. As the chosen ones have born the image of the first Adam, so too will they bear the image of Jesus the second Adam, who appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus in his inherited glorious body of brilliant and Blinding Light.

Elijah, the only man since the flood to have been taken up to heaven without experiencing death has now also been in the valley of man, the inner dimension for three days or three thousand years, he is to appear on earth immediately before the great tribulation ,which is to occur before the Day of the Lord, when he shall rule the Sabbath of one thousand years by means of the MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone, by raising that MAN from death. See Acts 17: 31.
Greetings S-Word! I also have a copy of the book of Ethiopic Enoch and the Spirit confirms that it God-Breathed.

It also sheds much light on why the flood took place in the first place. It's good to see that the Lord revealed the truth about this book to others. I believe that these angels who took wives from the progeny of men, are the same that both Peter and Jude refer to:

"For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to Tartartus, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;" - 2 Pet.2:4

"And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day." - Jude 6

 
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Thanks for replying, sister.

But do consider this; If that was the reason for why the flood was given, don't you think you & I would read about that in the scripture?

God gave the reason twice for why He flooded the earth and it was not because of the bloodline being polluted.

Genesis 6:[SUP]5[/SUP]And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.[SUP]6 [/SUP]And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.[SUP]7 [/SUP]And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.[SUP]8 [/SUP]But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

This was about mankind that every imagination of the thoughts of his hearts was only evil continually. He said so here.

And again after the flood.

Genesis 8:[SUP]21 [/SUP]And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.[SUP]22 [/SUP]While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

So that was why God cursed the ground with the flood. It has nothing to do with hybrids or intermixed breeding between the celestial & the terrestrial, because God did not create the celestial to reproduce to build a family which is why they are not given in marriage, and certainly, fallen angels are not going to be called "sons of God" in His words and so neither will they be joined by God in a "holy matrimony".
The name Jared, means 'Descending.' In the book of Jubilees 4: 16-25; we read of Enoch the son of Jared----Jared, for in his days the angels of the Lord descended on the earth, those who are named the Watchers, that they should instruct the children of men, and that they should do 16 judgment and uprightness on the earth. And in the eleventh jubilee [512-18 A.M.] Jared took to himself a wife, and her name was Baraka, the daughter of Rasujal, a daughter of his father’s brother, in the fourth week of this jubilee, [522 A.M.] and she bare him a son in the fifth week, in the fourth year of the jubilee, and 17 he called his name Enoch. And he was the first among men that are born on earth who learnt writing and knowledge and wisdom and who wrote down the signs of heaven according to the order of their months in a book, that men might know the seasons of the years according to the order of 18 their separate months.

And he was the first to write a testimony and he testified to the sons of men among the generations of the earth, and recounted the weeks of the jubilees, and made known to them the days of the years, and set in order the months and recounted the Sabbaths of the years 19 as we made (them), known to him. And what was and what will be he saw in a vision of his sleep, as it will happen to the children of men throughout their generations until the day of judgment; he saw and understood everything, and wrote his testimony, and placed the testimony on earth for all
20 the children of men and for their generations.

And in the twelfth jubilee, [582-88] in the seventh week thereof, he took to himself a wife, and her name was Edna, the daughter of Danel, the daughter of his father’s brother, and in the sixth year in this week [587 A.M.] she bare him a son and he called his name 21
Methuselah. And he was moreover with the angels of God these six jubilees of years, and they showed him everything which is on earth and in the heavens, the rule of the sun, and he wrote down 22 everything. And he testified to the Watchers, who had sinned with the daughters of men; for these had begun to unite themselves, so as to be defiled, with the daughters of men, and Enoch 23 testified against (them) all. And he was taken from amongst the children of men, and we conducted him into the Garden of Eden in majesty and honour, and behold there he writes down the condemnation and judgment of the world, and all the wickedness of the children of men. And on account of it (God) brought the waters of the flood upon all the land of Eden; etc.
 
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Greetings S-Word! I also have a copy of the book of Ethiopic Enoch and the Spirit confirms that it God-Breathed.

It also sheds much light on why the flood took place in the first place. It's good to see that the Lord revealed the truth about this book to others. I believe that these angels who took wives from the progeny of men, are the same that both Peter and Jude refer to:

"For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to Tartartus, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;" - 2 Pet.2:4

"And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day." - Jude 6
Nice to meet a brother believer. Enoch was carried to the ends of this cycle of universal activity, where he witnessed the heavens burn up and fall as massive columns of fire beyond all measure in height of depth, into the Great Abyss (Black Hole)
And when he asked the escorting angel, "What place is this?" he was told that the Great Abyss was the prison of all the stars and the host of heaven.

Peter confirms this, when he speaks of the time that the heavens and earth of today, will roll up as a scroll with a great hissing noise and the elements will burn up and the heavens and earth will disappear.

But we are assured by the Lord God that he will create a new heavens and a new earth for us.

Our ancient ancestors expressed their belief that our scientist today are just beginning to come to terms with the fact that there have been other universes before this one.

Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolln ing onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non being, and again from non being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence.” ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.

The days and nights of Brahma are called Manvantara or the cycle of manifestation, ‘The Great Day,’ which is a period of universal activity, that is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period, which to our finite minds seems as an eternity. ‘Manvantara,’ is a creative day as seen in the six days of creation in Genesis, ‘Pralaya,’ is the evening that proceeds the next creative day. The six periods of Creation and the seventh day of rest in which we now exist are referred to in the book of Genesis as the generations of the universe.

The English word “Generation,” is translated from the Hebrew “toledoth” which is used in the Old Testament in every instance as ‘births,’ or ‘descendants,’ such as “These are the generations of Adam,” or “these are the generations of Abraham, and Genesis 2: 4; These are the generations of the Universe or the heavens and earth, etc. And the ‘Great Day’ in which the seven generations of the universe are eternally repeated, is the eternal cosmic period, or the eighth eternal day in which those who attain to perfection are allowed to enter, where they shall be surrounded by great light and they shall experience eternal peace, while those who do not attain to perfection are cast back into the refining fires of the seven physical cycles that perpetually revolve within the eighth eternal cosmic cycle.

Enoch speaks of an eighth day, which should be the first after his works, and it is a day eternal, with neither hours, days, weeks, months, or years, for all time is stuck together in one aeon, and all that enter therein shall be surrounded by great light and they shall know eternal peace.----Or something like that.


A series of worlds following one upon the other,-- each world rising a step higher than the previous world, so that every later world brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it. Every universe from the first to the last, from the smallest to the greatest, which have been created throughout the eons of eternity, still exist in their independent Space-Time positions within the eternal and boundless cosmos.

The New international Version, the Scofield Referrence Bible, and the Companion Bible, all note that the phase in Genesis 1: 2; The earth was formless and void (Having neither shape or mass) should be correctly translated, “The earth became without form and void.” The Hebrew word “Hayah” translated “was,” means “To become, occur, come to pass, Be.” (Vines Complete Expository of Old and New Testament Words, 1985. “To Be.”)

BTW, Have you read of 'The Great Attractor?'
 
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Thanks for replying, sister.

But do consider this; If that was the reason for why the flood was given, don't you think you & I would read about that in the scripture?

God gave the reason twice for why He flooded the earth and it was not because of the bloodline being polluted.

Genesis 6:[SUP]5[/SUP]And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.[SUP]6 [/SUP]And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.[SUP]7 [/SUP]And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.[SUP]8 [/SUP]But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

This was about mankind that every imagination of the thoughts of his hearts was only evil continually. He said so here.

And again after the flood.

Genesis 8:[SUP]21 [/SUP]And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.[SUP]22 [/SUP]While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

So that was why God cursed the ground with the flood. It has nothing to do with hybrids or intermixed breeding between the celestial & the terrestrial, because God did not create the celestial to reproduce to build a family which is why they are not given in marriage, and certainly, fallen angels are not going to be called "sons of God" in His words and so neither will they be joined by God in a "holy matrimony".
Enow, in Genesis 6, the mentioning of how the sons of god saw that the daughters of men were beautiful and bore children with them

This passage...do you take it that God was pleased?
 
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Actually, Strong's may not be the best reference - it is self-referential to the KJV.
Find out then what the Hebrew word "nphiyl" mean on the internet then. Don't leave yourself hanging just because you suspect that.

Try this site below at that link and do consider that since giants were in the earth after the flood, then the assumed & yet unwritten purpose of God preventing the pollution of the bloodline would be vanity at best, but that was not the reason God flooded the earth. It was because of the thoughts and hearts of man was evil continually.

Here is another site where it is hardly showing any favoritism to the KJV.

Strongs's #5303: nphiyl - Greek/Hebrew Definitions - Bible Tools
 
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Enow, in Genesis 6, the mentioning of how the sons of god saw that the daughters of men were beautiful and bore children with them

This passage...do you take it that God was pleased?
For marrying outside of the godly line of Seth? No, but He permitted it just as God allowed Jews to marry outside the nation of Israel, even though it went against His will, but His word stands for any man or woman when getting married; He joins them together. He will not join same sex together nor an angel, let alone a fallen angel with a woman because that is not the covenant of marriage that God had set up when creating Eve out of Adam.

So God permitted the sons of God ( where sons was translated from the Hebrews word "ben" meaning builder of the family name...) signifying the ancestors of Israel's family tree, marrying outside the godly lineage of Seth, and the consequences also served as a reminder when any one of the nation of Israel do that too in seeing any woman outside the nation of Israel as beautiful and thus taking a wife from another nation.
 
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Greetings S-Word! I also have a copy of the book of Ethiopic Enoch and the Spirit confirms that it God-Breathed.


No. He did not. Here is why.

1 John 2:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.[SUP]21 [/SUP]I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.....[SUP]27 [/SUP]But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.[SUP] 28 [/SUP]And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

There are lies in the Book of Enoch that runs contrary to the accepted scripture and so you better check again, brother, because that spirit was not the Holy Spirit confirming that word to you. No way, when His words exposes the lies in that Book of Enoch.

It also sheds much light on why the flood took place in the first place.
God had it written in His words WHY He flooded the world TWICE. DO NOT ADD TO HIS WORDS !!!


Genesis 6:[SUP]5[/SUP]And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.[SUP]6 [/SUP]And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.[SUP]7 [/SUP]And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.[SUP]8 [/SUP]But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

This was about mankind that every imagination of the thoughts of his hearts was only evil continually. He said so here.

And again after the flood.

Genesis 8:[SUP]21 [/SUP]And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.[SUP]22 [/SUP]While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

So that was why God cursed the ground with the flood. It has nothing to do with hybrids or intermixed breeding between the celestial & the terrestrial, because God did not create the celestial to reproduce to build a family which is why they are not given in marriage, and certainly, fallen angels are not going to be called "sons of God" in His words and so neither will they be joined by God in a "holy matrimony".

It's good to see that the Lord revealed the truth about this book to others.
No He did not. That is just believers wanting to believe these fables.

I believe that these angels who took wives from the progeny of men, are the same that both Peter and Jude refer to:

"For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to Tartartus, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;" - 2 Pet.2:4

"And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day." - Jude 6
Nowhere in Peter did he say that the abandoning of their proper dwelling place meant that suddenly they have grown genitals to reproduce after their own kind, let alone with the women of mankind.

Just losing their citizenship in Heaven and destined to the lake of fire are the chains of judgment awaiting them, but they are still on the loose. Nowhere did it say in Peter that these angels lost their first estate by mingling with women.
 
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I think the men who penned the bible were inspired...I think the men who canonized the scripture were not......

I know that the bible requires two or three witnesses to prove something true (yes I know the context) and yet I see a few books that did not make the cannon referenced and or directly quoted numerous times through out the bible and one has to wonder why they were not included if they were referenced and or quoted by the men who were inspired.....
If you are wondering about Jude, then ask yourself how Moses had written intimate detail of what he had written of the first five books of the Bible? Moses was inspired by the Holy Ghost. So why not Jude in citing the person Enoch; not the Book.

No way can the Book of Enoch, supposedly penned by Enoch, would survive the flood, and be handed down as it supposedly has been long before Israel became a nation from which Moses was inspired to establish Israel's roots then as scripture.

The Book of Enoch is a fraud when it contains lies running against the accepted scripture as there can be no lie of the truth.

When God speaks, it is carried out and done. Isaiah 55:11 says so

Isaiah 55:[SUP]11 [/SUP]So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

The Book of Enoch in chapter 18 just told everyone that God had lied in Isaiah 55:11 because not every time He spoke, His word came to pass, and that is why some things in nature are judged for not doing so.

So either you believe the Book of Enoch or you believe His words in Isaiah 55:11.

So Jude referring to Enoch has nothing to do with referring to the Book of Enoch nor validating that there was a Book of Enoch. Some of the writings from the Book of Enoch was plagiarized from the N.T. and if you note the plagiarism in comparing it with the rest of the writing supposedly from Enoch... the writing style is not the same throughout that Book.
 
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If you are wondering about Jude, then ask yourself how Moses had written intimate detail of what he had written of the first five books of the Bible? Moses was inspired by the Holy Ghost. So why not Jude in citing the person Enoch; not the Book.

No way can the Book of Enoch, supposedly penned by Enoch, would survive the flood, and be handed down as it supposedly has been long before Israel became a nation from which Moses was inspired to establish Israel's roots then as scripture.

The Book of Enoch is a fraud when it contains lies running against the accepted scripture as there can be no lie of the truth.

When God speaks, it is carried out and done. Isaiah 55:11 says so

Isaiah 55:[SUP]11 [/SUP]So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

The Book of Enoch in chapter 18 just told everyone that God had lied in Isaiah 55:11 because not every time He spoke, His word came to pass, and that is why some things in nature are judged for not doing so.

So either you believe the Book of Enoch or you believe His words in Isaiah 55:11.

So Jude referring to Enoch has nothing to do with referring to the Book of Enoch nor validating that there was a Book of Enoch. Some of the writings from the Book of Enoch was plagiarized from the N.T. and if you note the plagiarism in comparing it with the rest of the writing supposedly from Enoch... the writing style is not the same throughout that Book.
The bolded is ignorant and has no bearing on the view of the book of Enoch...the bible ALLUDES to and quotes ENOCH and JASHER no less than 6 times.....

so....believe what YOU want.....serious...it really does not affect my view...so.......end of conversation
 
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If you are wondering about Jude, then ask yourself how Moses had written intimate detail of what he had written of the first five books of the Bible? Moses was inspired by the Holy Ghost. So why not Jude in citing the person Enoch; not the Book.

No way can the Book of Enoch, supposedly penned by Enoch, would survive the flood, and be handed down as it supposedly has been long before Israel became a nation from which Moses was inspired to establish Israel's roots then as scripture.

The Book of Enoch is a fraud when it contains lies running against the accepted scripture as there can be no lie of the truth.

When God speaks, it is carried out and done. Isaiah 55:11 says so

Isaiah 55:[SUP]11 [/SUP]So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

The Book of Enoch in chapter 18 just told everyone that God had lied in Isaiah 55:11 because not every time He spoke, His word came to pass, and that is why some things in nature are judged for not doing so.

So either you believe the Book of Enoch or you believe His words in Isaiah 55:11.

So Jude referring to Enoch has nothing to do with referring to the Book of Enoch nor validating that there was a Book of Enoch. Some of the writings from the Book of Enoch was plagiarized from the N.T. and if you note the plagiarism in comparing it with the rest of the writing supposedly from Enoch... the writing style is not the same throughout that Book.
and in this little box I have God and what he might do here....
and over here, in this other little box, I have Jesus and what he used to do....

and in this other tiny box, that is sealed up and marked danger/caution, contents will cause personal injury or result in death.... I have the Holy Ghost and all he never has done today....
 
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No. He did not. Here is why.

1 John 2:[/FONT][/SIZE][SUP]20 [/SUP]But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.[SUP]21 [/SUP]I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.....[SUP]27 [/SUP]But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.[SUP] 28 [/SUP]And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

There are lies in the Book of Enoch that runs contrary to the accepted scripture and so you better check again, brother, because that spirit was not the Holy Spirit confirming that word to you. No way, when His words exposes the lies in that Book of Enoch.



God had it written in His words WHY He flooded the world TWICE. DO NOT ADD TO HIS WORDS !!!


Genesis 6:[SUP]5[/SUP]And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.[SUP]6 [/SUP]And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.[SUP]7 [/SUP]And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.[SUP]8 [/SUP]But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

This was about mankind that every imagination of the thoughts of his hearts was only evil continually. He said so here.

And again after the flood.

Genesis 8:[SUP]21 [/SUP]And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.[SUP]22 [/SUP]While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

So that was why God cursed the ground with the flood. It has nothing to do with hybrids or intermixed breeding between the celestial & the terrestrial, because God did not create the celestial to reproduce to build a family which is why they are not given in marriage, and certainly, fallen angels are not going to be called "sons of God" in His words and so neither will they be joined by God in a "holy matrimony".



No He did not. That is just believers wanting to believe these fables.



Nowhere in Peter did he say that the abandoning of their proper dwelling place meant that suddenly they have grown genitals to reproduce after their own kind, let alone with the women of mankind.

Just losing their citizenship in Heaven and destined to the lake of fire are the chains of judgment awaiting them, but they are still on the loose. Nowhere did it say in Peter that these angels lost their first estate by mingling with women.


And over here is my godliness box...i get into sometimes.....and then over there...yeah that is the power box, but it is held secure inside the denying box....

You are still wind and rain without clouds...still bragging of gifts you do not have...