The doctrine I don't want to believe-eternal fire

[Word_Swordsman]

Blain... why should WE have confidence in anything you say?

Why?
Why should we?

YOU admit you have brain damage, YOU have said it's severe.

YOU say you can't even remember simple daily things.

YOU have even admitted in other threads you're a fairly new believer, and a BABE in Christ.
This means that on top of having brain damage, you've had no TIME to gain any EXPERIENCE or WISDOM.
- You have little experience in your walk with Christ,
- You have little experience in studying the scripture.
- You have little experience in applying scripture to your own life.
- You have little experience in ministering scripture to others.

WHY should we have any confidence in anything you say?
Why should we?

It would be WRONG and UNBIBLICAL for us to believe anything you say WITHOUT PROOF!
The bible says to PROVE all things.
1Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
We should PROVE, and TEST things... to see if they're true.
We are NOT to believe whatever someone says WITHOUT PROOF

God doesn't tell us to be stupid, and believe anything someone says,
God COMMANDS US to be wise, and careful, and prudent.

God says we're IDIOTS if we believe you without proof.
Proverbs 14:15 "The simple believeth every word:"
The word "simple" here means a "simpleton", an "idiot".
Only an IDIOT believes whatever somebody says without PROOF.

Mark 9:19-29 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] He answereth him, and saith, O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him unto me.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And they brought him unto him: and when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the ground, and wallowed foaming.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And he asked his father, How long is it ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] And ofttimes it hath cast him into the fire, and into the waters, to destroy him: but if thou canst do any thing, have compassion on us, and help us.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] But Jesus took him by the hand, and lifted him up; and he arose.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] And when he was come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out?
[SUP]29 [/SUP] And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.

It's a bit disconcerting that a Christian can't relate to a visitation from an angel even in these days. I've realized such visits after the fact, never realizing that until later. Many Christians have reported such encounters.

A group of us church men took on a man that had a stroke about the time he became a believer in Christ. We decided to help him rather than speculate over what was going on spiritually in relation to an almost total collapse in health. He needed help changing Depends and ridding them from the place, as he couldn't carry trash out. We MEN cleaned his apartment weekly. NO, he had not had training in the word of God, but was studying it nonstop. While there he delighted to bless us with his new-found knowledge of the Lord. It made our work more pleasant. We already knew most of what he had to say, but sometimes we learned some things we had passed over.

I would not judge a person's spiritual situation by how long he has been a Christian. I would not diminish his position with the Lord by his health situation.

 

[Blain]

Blain... why should WE have confidence in anything you say?

Why?
Why should we?

YOU admit you have brain damage, YOU have said it's severe.

YOU say you can't even remember simple daily things.

YOU have even admitted in other threads you're a fairly new believer, and a BABE in Christ.
This means that on top of having brain damage, you've had no TIME to gain any EXPERIENCE or WISDOM.
- You have little experience in your walk with Christ,
- You have little experience in studying the scripture.
- You have little experience in applying scripture to your own life.
- You have little experience in ministering scripture to others.

WHY should we have any confidence in anything you say?
Why should we?

It would be WRONG and UNBIBLICAL for us to believe anything you say WITHOUT PROOF!
The bible says to PROVE all things.
1Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
We should PROVE, and TEST things... to see if they're true.
We are NOT to believe whatever someone says WITHOUT PROOF

God doesn't tell us to be stupid, and believe anything someone says,
God COMMANDS US to be wise, and careful, and prudent.

God says we're IDIOTS if we believe you without proof.
Proverbs 14:15 "The simple believeth every word:"
The word "simple" here means a "simpleton", an "idiot".
Only an IDIOT believes whatever somebody says without PROOF.

You can believe me or not it is no concern of mine, if this upsets you and if it seems ridiculous to you then it wasn't meant for then was it? I know the scripture not to cast our pearls to the swine so I post what I am lead to post and then leave the rest to God. As I said any dream vision or experience I post is not to glorify myself and it certainly isn't mandatory that anyone should believe me. I am young in faith, I have much to learn much more to grow in but I have complete faith in God to make me strong wise mature and full of love. You can discredit me because of my physical sickness damage and problems but does God?

 

[Yet]

1Tim. 6:16 in Christ alone is immortalty.
Those who have Christ are given the gift of eternal life. Meaning we were not born with eternal life in our hard drive.
Those who reject Christ, reject eternal life. Punishment yes but not eternal torture.

water boarding yes but not eternal water boarding.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I once read a quote from a Christian online, it said "God punishes those He loves, and destroys those He hates"
Moses bashed his rod on the rock demanding God give His people water. God did so, but was angry at Moses for doing this, and told him that he was to never enter the city. But He still loved Moses, and saved him. God was angry and punished him, but He still kept him.

I dont think hell is really punishment, its complete and total destruction. Its a way to remove you from Him forever and experience the wrath in Him you have created. God says Himself that He hates what is wicked and will not be around it. He created hell for satan and the angels that followed him. The bible says that demons are angry, violent and delight in wickedness. God has told us that they will be sent there.
Every man on earth is guilty of sin. There is no man who is perfect besides Jesus. The bible says that we were all children of wrath, that we all have drank from the wines of fury. We have all committed things God hates. It seems clear that those who do not accept the gift He has given to the world will be in the wrath He has warned us of.
"For it is perfectly true to say our God is a raging fire"

 

[ELECT]

I think you misunderstand. Yes it is true that there will be some whose punishment in hell is less than others and I would know because I have been to hell. I saw some ppl who were being thrown into the lake of fire while others were not but were punished in a different way. The scriptures clearly say hell is eternal but just because it is eternal doesn't mean that since its eternity the punishment is the same.

Was man created eternal ?

 

[Atwood]

1Tim. 6:16 in Christ alone is immortalty.
Those who have Christ are given the gift of eternal life. Meaning

What is your proof of your claimed "meaning"?

we were not born with eternal life in our hard drive.

born with? How do you get to this interpretation? Since a multitude of people have immortality, eternal life, whosoever lives and believes in Me shall never die, I would take this to mean that God is the only one who has deathlessness -- that is, He never could, never does, & never will die. He cannot be separated from Himself (spiritual death) and He has not body from which His Spirit could be separated. This makes sense to me as speaking of the divine nature, not the human nature of Christ.

Those who reject Christ, reject eternal life. Punishment yes but not eternal torture.
water boarding yes but not eternal water boarding.

that is just you saying things. The evidence of scripture on the subject is neglected by you in this post. One way to err in scripture interpretation is to take some general principle (like "God is love") and generalize with it against specific detailed revelation. God is angry with the wicked every day, despite that God is love.

You really have to consider the specific things said on eternal punishment, the Lake of Fire, & Gehenna. If I had written the Bible there would be no eternal torture. But the passages simply cannot be explained away by reasoning from some general statement like "Only has deathlessness" in 1 Tim 6.


1 Tim 6:16 in context:

that thou keep the commandment, without spot, without reproach, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15 which in its own times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 who only hath immortality (ὁ μόνος ἔχων ἀθανασίαν), dwelling in light unapproachable; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power eternal.


ὁ μόνος = the only
ἔχων = having
ἀθανασίαν = immortality, deathlessness

ἀ = not
θαν(a) = death
σία = state of, condition of
ν = accusative case ending


ἐνδύσασθαι ἀ. put on immortality = be clothed w. an immortal body 1 Cor 15:53f; (< BDAG lexicon)

A believers have immortality and are destined to have an immortal body.

 

[Atwood]

I dont think hell is really punishment, its complete and total destruction.

But what you and I "think" is irrelevant.
Carefully look at specific scripture.
Do not be controlled by wishful thinking.

 

[Angela53510]

I think you misunderstand. Yes it is true that there will be some whose punishment in hell is less than others and I would know because I have been to hell. I saw some ppl who were being thrown into the lake of fire while others were not but were punished in a different way. The scriptures clearly say hell is eternal but just because it is eternal doesn't mean that since its eternity the punishment is the same.

This sounds suspiciously like purgatory or Dante's Inferno. The 9 circles of Hell. This is not Biblical! There is no where in the Bible it says that some will get lesser punishments because of supposed lesser or venial sins or greater or mortal sins.

"for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus," Romans 3:23-24

"The wages of sin is death but the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23

These verses are black and white! We are all sinnners, and without Christ, we are headed to hell and death.

"Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save, or his ear dull, that it cannot hear; but your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden his face from you so that he does not hear." Isaiah 59:1-2

There is only one condition for entering hell, and that is not believing in Jesus Christ as Saviour. There is only one condition for being with Christ for eternity, and that is believing in him!

Please stop with the false theology, or at least present the Scriptures that support your theories, as you did in the OP, Blain! And you are not the only one presenting opinions, instead of Bible verses.

Wake up people! This is the Bible Discussion forum, not the "I'll present what I want as truth" forum.
If people would actually read the Bible and discuss it, we would be much farther ahead in growing and learning what God really says in his word!

15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved,a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.16 But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness,17 and their talk will spread like gangrene." 2 Tim. 2:15-17a

 

[Atwood]

It's a bit disconcerting that a Christian can't relate to a visitation from an angel even in these days. I've realized such visits after the fact, never realizing that until later. Many Christians have reported such encounters.

deliver us from hogwash.

It would be folly to believe someone's claim an observable angelic visitation without proof.
Angels visit all the time. But claims of seeing angels, hearing their voices, etc., require proof for belief.

 

[Angela53510]

What is your proof of your claimed "meaning"?



born with? How do you get to this interpretation? Since a multitude of people have immortality, eternal life, whosoever lives and believes in Me shall never die, I would take this to mean that God is the only one who has deathlessness -- that is, He never could, never does, & never will die. He cannot be separated from Himself (spiritual death) and He has not body from which His Spirit could be separated. This makes sense to me as speaking of the divine nature, not the human nature of Christ.



that is just you saying things. The evidence of scripture on the subject is neglected by you in this post. One way to err in scripture interpretation is to take some general principle (like "God is love") and generalize with it against specific detailed revelation. God is angry with the wicked every day, despite that God is love.

You really have to consider the specific things said on eternal punishment, the Lake of Fire, & Gehenna. If I had written the Bible there would be no eternal torture. But the passages simply cannot be explained away by reasoning from some general statement like "Only has deathlessness" in 1 Tim 6.


1 Tim 6:16 in context:

that thou keep the commandment, without spot, without reproach, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15 which in its own times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 who only hath immortality (ὁ μόνος ἔχων ἀθανασίαν), dwelling in light unapproachable; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power eternal.


ὁ μόνος = the only
ἔχων = having
ἀθανασίαν = immortality, deathlessness

ἀ = not
θαν(a) = death
σία = state of, condition of
ν = accusative case ending


ἐνδύσασθαι ἀ. put on immortality = be clothed w. an immortal body 1 Cor 15:53f; (< BDAG lexicon)

A believers have immortality and are destined to have an immortal body.

Wrong just wrong. Such a simple passage and so wrongly interpreted. Here it is in modern English, which does come through in the KJV, but a bit harder to understand.

"which he will display at the proper time—he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords,who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen." 1 Tim. 6:15-16

Please notice that it is GOD alone who has immortality. Read the verse in context. When you see ALONE, you are not talking about believers, but about one person, in this case, God.

Only God is immortal! We are mortals, subject to sin and death. True, we are saved by belief in Christ, but when we start taking on the attributes or character of God, we are blaspheming! No other way to say it nicely!

 

[maxwel]

Mark 9:19-29 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] He answereth him, and saith, O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him unto me.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And they brought him unto him: and when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the ground, and wallowed foaming.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And he asked his father, How long is it ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] And ofttimes it hath cast him into the fire, and into the waters, to destroy him: but if thou canst do any thing, have compassion on us, and help us.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] But Jesus took him by the hand, and lifted him up; and he arose.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] And when he was come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out?
[SUP]29 [/SUP] And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.

It's a bit disconcerting that a Christian can't relate to a visitation from an angel even in these days. I've realized such visits after the fact, never realizing that until later. Many Christians have reported such encounters.

A group of us church men took on a man that had a stroke about the time he became a believer in Christ. We decided to help him rather than speculate over what was going on spiritually in relation to an almost total collapse in health. He needed help changing Depends and ridding them from the place, as he couldn't carry trash out. We MEN cleaned his apartment weekly. NO, he had not had training in the word of God, but was studying it nonstop. While there he delighted to bless us with his new-found knowledge of the Lord. It made our work more pleasant. We already knew most of what he had to say, but sometimes we learned some things we had passed over.

I would not judge a person's spiritual situation by how long he has been a Christian. I would not diminish his position with the Lord by his health situation.

Blain isn't talking about an angel visiting in any way even remotely biblical.
Heb 13:2 "Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares."
This verse is referring specifically to Abraham, and feeding some angles lunch, when they came to him acting perfectly normal, just like regular men.

Blain however has talked about an angel taking him up to heaven for some kind of sight seeing tour, and now today Blain wants PROVE his scriptural exegesis about Hell is correct by making the ridiculous claim that he took a trip there, and saw hell for himself.

The problem is, the bible tells us CLEARLY not to believe everything people say.
The bible tells us clearly to be wise, and prudent, and to PROVE ALL THINGS, to see if they're true.

We are NOT to believe crazy claims without proof.

Hell is a one-way ticket... unless Blain has suddenly turned into John the Apostle and he's receiving special revelation from God.
If he's receiving special revelation from God, then WHAT IS IT?
He never says.
If his special revelation is identical to scripture, then the Church doesn't need it.
If he special revelation is different than scripture, then he's a false prophet.

Blain is just going around making crazy claims with no proof of any kind...
and God DEMANDS OF US that we PROVE ALL THINGS.
We aren't supposed to fall for crazy claims.

 

[tourist]

Blain isn't talking about an angel visiting in any way even remotely biblical.
Heb 13:2 "Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares."
This verse is referring specifically to Abraham, and feeding some angles lunch, when they came to him acting perfectly normal, just like regular men.

Blain however has talked about an angel taking him up to heaven for some kind of sight seeing tour, and now today Blain wants PROVE his scriptural exegesis about Hell is correct by making the ridiculous claim that he took a trip there, and saw hell for himself.

The problem is, the bible tells us CLEARLY not to believe everything people say.
The bible tells us clearly to be wise, and prudent, and to PROVE ALL THINGS, to see if they're true.

We are NOT to believe crazy claims without proof.

Paul had a similar experience too. Hebrews 13.2 is still in effect today. It is in the bible. If it only applied to Abraham specifically it would have stated as such. Of course, if that were true this verse would hold no meaning whatsoever to a person searching the Word of God for the truth.

 

[maxwel]

You can believe me or not it is no concern of mine, if this upsets you and if it seems ridiculous to you then it wasn't meant for then was it? I know the scripture not to cast our pearls to the swine so I post what I am lead to post and then leave the rest to God. As I said any dream vision or experience I post is not to glorify myself and it certainly isn't mandatory that anyone should believe me. I am young in faith, I have much to learn much more to grow in but I have complete faith in God to make me strong wise mature and full of love. You can discredit me because of my physical sickness damage and problems but does God?

I don't discredit you in any way.

You discredit yourself by saying you have severe brain damage,
which DOES affect your cognitive abilities...
and then after you admit your cognitive abilities are provably unreliable,
you expect us to believe you are having chatty time with angels and trips into Hell.

You discredit yourself.

I am only pointing out what you've said.

Furthermore, the bible is very clear that we are NOT to believe everything people tell us.

We ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SKEPTICAL of claims, until there is proof.
That's in the bible.

So Blain, I am to ignore the Bible and believe YOU instead?
The bible commands me to be skeptical of your claims unless you have proof.

 

[Blain]

This sounds suspiciously like purgatory or Dante's Inferno. The 9 circles of Hell. This is not Biblical! There is no where in the Bible it says that some will get lesser punishments because of supposed lesser or venial sins or greater or mortal sins.

"for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus," Romans 3:23-24

"The wages of sin is death but the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23

These verses are black and white! We are all sinnners, and without Christ, we are headed to hell and death.

"Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save, or his ear dull, that it cannot hear; but your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden his face from you so that he does not hear." Isaiah 59:1-2

There is only one condition for entering hell, and that is not believing in Jesus Christ as Saviour. There is only one condition for being with Christ for eternity, and that is believing in him!

Please stop with the false theology, or at least present the Scriptures that support your theories, as you did in the OP, Blain! And you are not the only one presenting opinions, instead of Bible verses.

Wake up people! This is the Bible Discussion forum, not the "I'll present what I want as truth" forum.
If people would actually read the Bible and discuss it, we would be much farther ahead in growing and learning what God really says in his word!

15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved,a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.16 But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness,17 and their talk will spread like gangrene." 2 Tim. 2:15-17a

Angela I said nothing of the sort I said that certain ppl there will recieve harsher punishment than others, I never once mention 9 circle of hell did I? you based your entire post on an assumption which was way off

 

[Blain]

I don't discredit you in any way.

You discredit yourself by saying you have severe brain damage,
which DOES affect your cognitive abilities...
and then after you admit your cognitive abilities are provably unreliable,
you expect us to believe you are having chatty time with angels and trips into Hell.

You discredit yourself.

I am only pointing out what you've said.

Furthermore, the bible is very clear that we are NOT to believe everything people tell us.

We ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SKEPTICAL of claims, until there is proof.
That's in the bible.

So Blain, I am to ignore the Bible and believe YOU instead?
The bible commands me to be skeptical of your claims unless you have proof.

lol I discredit myself? Because I have physical illness and damage you don't think God is capable of showing someone these things? God does mighty things with ppl who have such illness and problems but if a person has brain damage and has many medical issues what does that have to do with their relationship with God and how he works with them? I already said it is no concern of mine if you believe me or not, you seek proof but I cannot show you what I saw but the scriptures clearly say

"'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
God is not limited to my physical illness or my bodies damage and I am willing for him to work inside me and show me whatever he desires. I am no one special, I am not a prophet I am simply willing to his spirit. The main thing isn't about my dreams and my visions those things are simply a gift from him that I recieve occasionally the main thing is to seek love and to desire God with every fiber of our being and this is the path I have chose.

We could argue day and night about what you think of me and my dreams but I have more important things to do, I must seek God out and deepen the bond between us

 

[maxwel]

lol I discredit myself? Because I have physical illness and damage you don't think God is capable of showing someone these things? God does mighty things with ppl who have such illness and problems but if a person has brain damage and has many medical issues what does that have to do with their relationship with God and how he works with them? I already said it is no concern of mine if you believe me or not, you seek proof but I cannot show you what I saw but the scriptures clearly say

"'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
God is not limited to my physical illness or my bodies damage and I am willing for him to work inside me and show me whatever he desires. I am no one special, I am not a prophet I am simply willing to his spirit. The main thing isn't about my dreams and my visions those things are simply a gift from him that I recieve occasionally the main thing is to seek love and to desire God with every fiber of our being and this is the path I have chose.

We could argue day and night about what you think of me and my dreams but I have more important things to do, I must seek God out and deepen the bond between us

You don't have just ANY illness.

You have been very clear, over and over, that you have SEVERE BRAIN DAMAGE.

This is a particular kind of damage that impairs your ability to think.
Brain damage often impairs the ability to think clearly or rationally.
In many cases brain damage is the cause of auditory and visual hallucinations.

If someone has a disability which is known to impair reasoning,
alter memory, and cause hallucinations,
then ANY REASONABLE PERSON WOULD BE SUSPICIOUS OF HIS WILD CLAIMS.

A person with that kind of illness, when experiencing something unusual,
should not be visiting his wild experiences upon a forum...
he should be visiting a doctor.

And just in case there is any doubt about this,
the bible COMMANDS ALL CHRISTIANS to PROVE the claims of others.

We are NEVER to just believe anything people tell us.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Was man created eternal ?

Did the fall of man have anything to do with it?

 

[Angela53510]

Angela I said nothing of the sort I said that certain ppl there will recieve harsher punishment than others, I never once mention 9 circle of hell did I? you based your entire post on an assumption which was way off

I said, "This sounds suspiciously like purgatory or Dante's Inferno"

What do you think the 9 circles of hell is about? About varying degrees of punishment. Too many people base their opinions on a fiction book. Perhaps you should read Dante's Inferno, and find out what it is about.

Different degrees of punishment is NOT Biblical. I challenge you to find anything in the Bible that says there is. This is just another poorly supported opinion, extra-Biblical, and not at all in line with what the Bible says.

I also agree with Maxwel that you depend too heavily on your extra-Biblical revelations, which are not based on the Word of God. You have said many times you have brain damage and take many drugs, although when I asked you, you said you did not know what they were. From purely a medical point of view, you need to find out what medications you are taking. Some drugs can cause hallucinations, and I would suggest that many of your dreams or visions might come out of a bad reaction to medication. Of course, you need to discuss this with your doctor, and I would urge you to tell him about these dreams/visions, so that he might be able to correct your medication so that you do not have these types of extra-Biblical and false revelations.

 

[Hizikyah]

Malakyah 4:1-4,"For, behold, the day comes that will burn like an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all who do wickedly, will be stubble--the day that comes will burn them up, says Yahweh of hosts; and it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who reverence My Name, the light of righteousness will arise with healing in its wings; and you will go out, leaping like calves released from the stall. And you will tread down the wicked; for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I will do this, says Yahweh of hosts. Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments."

1“For behold, the day is coming, burning like a furnace; and all the arrogant and every evildoer will be chaff; and the day that is coming will set them ablaze,” says the LORD of hosts, “so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.” 2“But for you who fear My name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings; and you will go forth and skip about like calves from the stall. 3“You will tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day which I am preparing,” says the LORD of hosts. 4“Remember the law of Moses My servant, even the statutes and ordinances which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel.

Exodus 15:2-3, "Yahweh is my strength and song, and He has become my Salvation, He is My Heavenly Father and I will praise Him; My father's Father and I will exalt Him. Yahweh is a man of war; Yahweh is His Name."

Revelation 19:13-15:, "And He was wrapped in a tallit dipped in blood, and the Name of Him is called: Yahshua--The Salvation of Yahweh. And the armies in heaven clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him upon white horses, And out of His mouth goes a sharp, two-edged sword, that with it He should strike the nations; and He will rule over them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty Yahweh."

 

[MadParrotWoman]

What? Oh yes this is the Bible discussion forum - the only forum where it's ok for Christians to behave in a very unchristian like manor, I'll go back to sleep.