The doctrine I don't want to believe-eternal fire
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1. People who hallucinate don't know that they're hallucinating, it seems real to them.
So if YOU are hallucinating, YOU won't be able to tell the difference.
2. YOU are the one making wild claims about angels taking you for rides in the rapture, and then going on little excursions to visit Hell...
if YOU can't provide proof, then WE are COMMANDED to disbelieve you.
If you can't prove what you say, then we are COMMANDED to disbelieve you.
We are NEVER supposed to just believe everything people tell us.
1Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
If we go around believing every crazy thing people claim, God says we're idiots.
Proverbs 14:15 The simple believeth every word:
The word "simple" here means "simpleton"... an idiot.
So if YOU are hallucinating, YOU won't be able to tell the difference.
2. YOU are the one making wild claims about angels taking you for rides in the rapture, and then going on little excursions to visit Hell...
if YOU can't provide proof, then WE are COMMANDED to disbelieve you.
If you can't prove what you say, then we are COMMANDED to disbelieve you.
We are NEVER supposed to just believe everything people tell us.
1Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
If we go around believing every crazy thing people claim, God says we're idiots.
Proverbs 14:15 The simple believeth every word:
The word "simple" here means "simpleton"... an idiot.
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1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Here in 1 John it is saying if anything has been delivered to you in a prophecy, dream, or vision you are to test it to make sure it is from God. If it matches scripture which is our only source to go by then it is from God, if it is a prophecy we have to sit and see if it happens or not, unless it is completely against. As in those who keep saying they know the exact day of the Lord's return, as the scripture says no man will know.
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Here in 1 John it is saying if anything has been delivered to you in a prophecy, dream, or vision you are to test it to make sure it is from God. If it matches scripture which is our only source to go by then it is from God, if it is a prophecy we have to sit and see if it happens or not, unless it is completely against. As in those who keep saying they know the exact day of the Lord's return, as the scripture says no man will know.
Okay that's a good answer. I was asking because I have read how many Muslims had a dream or vision where they met Jesus and different scenarios happened like being in a field of flowers or some of them also saw hell. My issue is many of these testimonies don't align with scripture and yet they lead them to follow Christ. Does God always show a dream or vision that is in the word? Like every single one?
They will be tormented day and night, forever and ever (Rev 20:10)
And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever (Rev 14:10)
And again they shouted:
"Hallelujah!
The smoke from her goes up forever and ever." (Rev 19:3)
where the fire never goes out (Mk 9:44)
the eternal fire (Mt 25:41)
where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched (Mk 9:48)
And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever (Rev 14:10)
And again they shouted:
"Hallelujah!
The smoke from her goes up forever and ever." (Rev 19:3)
where the fire never goes out (Mk 9:44)
the eternal fire (Mt 25:41)
where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched (Mk 9:48)
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Here is the thing, it is not about what you see in the dream like a certain back drop of a vision of hell.
What matters is the meaning of the total dream or vision, and also by what is said. Like for instance I read one testimony one day where a girl said she was brought down to hell to be given warnings from those who were there, so she could come back and warn others. In that vision a pop-star singer was there just for singing her style of music, even though her style was not satanic, full of bad language, or scientific. It was just because she sung pop.
Right there I cut that off, and said was a false dream or vision, because God loves all music as long as it is not like I previously mentioned.
well when I went to hell I saw the lake of fire and ppl being thrown in it and that is in the scriptures is it not? also the constant thirst was unimaginable and this also is in the scriptures not mention there was definitely a complete lack of God's presence there which also is in the scriptures I don't remember the exact scriptures that all these are spoken of let me try to re find them.
His dreams and visions will have nothing in them that is not in agreement with his word written.
And as far as "enlarging" on, or embellishing, his word written,
his word tells us, "Do not go beyond what is written." (1Co 4:6)
So we have no warrant for embellishing, or adding to, what is revealed in God's word written.
Now, if you are really hearing from God, you will be in agreement with 1Co 4:6, which is his word and will.
And as far as "enlarging" on, or embellishing, his word written,
his word tells us, "Do not go beyond what is written." (1Co 4:6)
So we have no warrant for embellishing, or adding to, what is revealed in God's word written.
Now, if you are really hearing from God, you will be in agreement with 1Co 4:6, which is his word and will.
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Ehh... you left out a part here;
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
This doesn't say anything about the sinners, but rather the devil being cast into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are, being tormented forever.
These three are the ones who are actually charged with the most heinous of crimes against Yah.
1. Devil for deceiving mankind, and attempting to exalt himself above the throne of Yah.
2. Beast for attempting to change the times and laws of Yah.
Claiming it had authority over the Word of Yah.
Mass slaughter of the children of Yah.
Idolatry, abominations, and filth of all sorts.
3. False prophet for teaching another gospel and another messiah.
Attempting to change the times and laws of Yah.
Idolatry.
that's just the short list I could think of right off the top of my head, I'm sure there's a whole lot more charges.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
This doesn't say anything about the sinners, but rather the devil being cast into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are, being tormented forever.
These three are the ones who are actually charged with the most heinous of crimes against Yah.
1. Devil for deceiving mankind, and attempting to exalt himself above the throne of Yah.
2. Beast for attempting to change the times and laws of Yah.
Claiming it had authority over the Word of Yah.
Mass slaughter of the children of Yah.
Idolatry, abominations, and filth of all sorts.
3. False prophet for teaching another gospel and another messiah.
Attempting to change the times and laws of Yah.
Idolatry.
that's just the short list I could think of right off the top of my head, I'm sure there's a whole lot more charges.
Okay I found some
Luke 3:17
His winnowing fork is in his hand, to clear his threshing floor and to gather the wheat into his barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”
Revelation 20:13-15
And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
this is all i could find on short notice but I can keep looking
Luke 3:17
His winnowing fork is in his hand, to clear his threshing floor and to gather the wheat into his barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”
Revelation 20:13-15
And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
this is all i could find on short notice but I can keep looking