The faith is dead without the works according to the faith.

Jeff_56 · Mar 7, 2015

actually, if someone follows Jesus, like the disciples when he said follow me,

that is enough, "IF" they continue "endure to the end" ..... (remember most disciples walked away from Jesus, and died in sin).

like those today who follow any doctrine or non-doctrine, instead of following Jesus.... they aren't saved yet, and maybe never will be.

Brother_Don · Mar 7, 2015

Romans 6:1-2, What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? Romans 6:15-18, What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? by no means! Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey-whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. You have been set free from sin and become slaves to righteousness. Romans 6:23, For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

MikkoAinasoja · Mar 7, 2015

Jeff_56 said:

Yes you can say also, that by following the Jesus you will be saved, if you that mean's that you keep the command's, and refuse the need's of the flesh, but how many today do that?

Not many, but by watching the statistic of the man, there is like masses of christian's, even though only few will survive.

And in the Lord Jesus Christ I exhort you all that turn you way to this world to the honest seek of God's will for eternal life in our Lord and God's eternal kingdom.

Jackson123 · Mar 7, 2015

MikkoAinasoja said:

1. I wonder, why don't your answered my question?

Let me repeat my Question: If one accept Jesus and die in the next second, before he able to do a seen good work, if he save?

2. Ephesian 2:

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Why don't you trust in this verse?

MikkoAinasoja · Mar 7, 2015

Jackson123 said:

No I do not believe that the someone will be in the life, like I say before.

This part of Ephesian letter is about that every man is called by mercy to the salvation, and not by the man's works. It do not mean that we are saved without the living faith with works, like you try to bend that it is.

It is obvious to me that the Spirit do not leads your understanding to the Scriptures.

You should start to seek God's will in honest heart so the Spirit may have the space on you.

Jackson123 · Mar 7, 2015

MikkoAinasoja said:

1. so if you see dying person where the doctor said he will not make in a minute, you not witness to him?

You relay need seeking the Lord the spirit of the Lord not with you.

2.
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Salvation by Grace through faith, NOt BY Work.

You bend and said by work. You really need repent not add or make your own rule. You don't have the right to change the rule of the bible.

weakness · Mar 7, 2015

Delivery said:

Don't put the cart before the horse. The first part is right, hearing the word produces Faith. But then this faith produces Salvation, as it causes us to believe in and receive Jesus. Then our Salvation produces love because we want to love Him the way He loved us in dying for us and forgiving our sins:[SUP]19[/SUP]We love him, because he first loved us. Then because we love Him it causes us to want to obey Him and do good works and love others.

See? Our Salvation comes first, then our Love and obedience. By saying our Salvation is produced by our active love and obedience through faith you're promoting the false doctrine that we earn our Salvation by having good works first. You can't have good works and obedience until you get saved first. You're also saying that He loves and therefore gives us Salvation because we loved Him first. This is just the opposite of what John said in his epistle.[/QUOTEDo we have a choice to believe the word we hear, or do we have a choice to have faith or disbelief ? I think we do , How else could God get true love , if we have no choice in the matter? Unless one believes in OSAS , we have choices that have out comes.I would say after being born again, we have to maintain or relationship. Quench not the Spirit of God. Good works and salvation are meaningless without each other. Salvation without good works of the Spirit and good works without salvation are bothUnless we think salvation is only for our selfish selves. In which case it is not salvation at all.

Stephen63 · Mar 7, 2015

Matthew 3:7-12 (NASB) [SUP]7 [/SUP]But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, "You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? [SUP]8 [/SUP]"Therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance; [SUP]9 [/SUP]and do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham for our father'; for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham. [SUP]10 [/SUP]"The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. [SUP]11 [/SUP]"As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. [SUP]12 [/SUP]"His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."

Mark 1:15 (KJV) And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
[HR][/HR]Mark 6:12 (KJV) And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
[HR][/HR]Acts 2:38 (KJV) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[HR][/HR]Acts 3:19 (KJV) Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
[HR][/HR]Acts 17:30 (KJV) And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
[HR][/HR]Acts 26:20 (KJV) But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 2:5 (KJV) Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 2:16 (KJV) Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 2:22 (KJV) Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 3:3 (KJV) Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 3:19 (KJV) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

You know, the last time I looked in the Word, it said judgement comes without repentance, & true repentance demands fruits (works).

Repentance first begins in the heart, but works of repentance shows we follow through with it.

I can say "I believe" till I'm blue in the face, but I can't prove it to God, myself, or others unless I do something about it.

gb9 · Mar 7, 2015

actually Romans 10 10 says different.

MarcR · Mar 7, 2015

IMO AFTER Salvation, Eph 2:10, and James Chapter 1, and Mt 7:21
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
KJV

become very relevant NOT to obtaining Salvation, but to working it out

Php 2:12-13
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
KJV

Vernon · Mar 7, 2015

Repent and believe ....

Jesus did not say to just believe.

I would say it is by grace alone, not faith alone.

ChristInUs · Mar 7, 2015

If you have faith in the cross and must to be saved then you will act accordingly. Sinners love sin, that's what they do and why the are called sinners. But when you get saved, you no longer want to sin. It abhors you and detest you. This is gthe Holy Spirit working in you, but if you ignore His leading, you once again be ruled by the sin nature. Thats why churches come up and twist the word to make it okay and the reason why we have so many denominations.

Jackson123 · Mar 7, 2015

Vernon said:

real faith will bear the fruit.

John 15

[SUP]5[/SUP] I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
[SUP]6[/SUP] If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Faith is entrust

If we entrust to Him, than we believe what He said.

He said abide in me. Than we abide

He said if we abide in Him we will bear fruit. and the fruit of the Spirit is love/ work base on agape love.

Can we do agape love without his help?

Jesus said in this context,

For without me you can do nothing.

So who get the credit when we do agape love? Jesus is not us. we don't have ability for doing agape work.

Why Jesus require us to do agape love/good work as requirement for salvation, when He know that it is impossible for us.

All He require is abide/have a faith to Him. Than good work will follow if our faith is genuine.

Vernon · Mar 7, 2015

As I said it is by the grace alone, by his grace we repent and believe the gospel. By his grace we have agape love one for another, by his grace we do good works. By his grace we have faith.

His grace is necessary for salvation, nothing else, we did nothing to get saved, while we were yet sinners Chrst died for us.

ChristInUs · Mar 7, 2015

Jackson123 said:

real faith will bear the fruit.

John 15

[SUP]5[/SUP] I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
[SUP]6[/SUP] If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Faith is entrust

If we entrust to Him, than we believe what He said.

He said abide in me. Than we abide

He said if we abide in Him we will bear fruit. and the fruit of the Spirit is love/ work base on agape love.

Can we do agape love without his help?

Jesus said in this context,

For without me you can do nothing.

So who get the credit when we do agape love? Jesus is not us. we don't have ability for doing agape work.

Why Jesus require us to do agape love/good work as requirement for salvation, when He know that it is impossible for us.

All He require is abide/have a faith to Him. Than good work will follow if our faith is genuine.

No we cannot do agape love love without Him it is impossible.

MikkoAinasoja · Mar 8, 2015

Jackson123 said:

The true faith do not come instantly, like you teaching now.

By the grace we all come to in this salvation, so that no one can boast, but we are no yet saved by then, and in the end we well receive what we deserve.

Tugboat · Mar 8, 2015

37 If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me;
38 but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father."
John 10:37-38

simplytruth · Mar 8, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

faith comes by hearing,which is different from hearing producing faith.It is God who gives us faith when we hear the word.Man in turn must act on the faith they receive.By doing what is acceptable to God. What you are describing is some kind of chain reaction,without any input by man

simplytruth · Mar 8, 2015

MikkoAinasoja said:

yes the question is in ignorance, if God cannot protect someone who receives Christ from physical death to accomplish what is required to inherit eternal life , then how can He save us from anything? It shows this person has little faith in God.

Jackson123 · Mar 8, 2015

ChristInUs said:

Yup, agape Love is only possible with Jesus.

The faith is dead without the works according to the faith.

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