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A person has to repent, they have to use their own willpower to turn from their wickedness. If it was completely up to God to stop them from their sin, He wouldn't be sending every prophet and Son to tell people to repent, He would make you repent.
You guys do not seem to understand the severity of the problem.
Just let people read the words of Christ for themselves and those who hear His voice will follow Him.
All I'm trying to do is get them to try to take a fresh look and hopefully see what He is really saying.
Not that fake Jesus, slaves to sin, powerless Holy Spirit garbage the "churches" preach.
You guys do not seem to understand the severity of the problem.
Just let people read the words of Christ for themselves and those who hear His voice will follow Him.
All I'm trying to do is get them to try to take a fresh look and hopefully see what He is really saying.
Not that fake Jesus, slaves to sin, powerless Holy Spirit garbage the "churches" preach.
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Enoch...........nothing wrong with the Scriptures you are posting........but it is QUITE CLEAR you are omitting all the Scriptures where Jesus said;
He who BELIEVETH on me shall be saved.................there are an abundance of Scriptures where Jesus taught that HE IS THE WAY AND THE ONLY WAY TO SALVATION........just saying..........do not continue to cherry pick.......it is either the entire Gospel of Christ........or the folly of mans wisdom that is being presented.
He who BELIEVETH on me shall be saved.................there are an abundance of Scriptures where Jesus taught that HE IS THE WAY AND THE ONLY WAY TO SALVATION........just saying..........do not continue to cherry pick.......it is either the entire Gospel of Christ........or the folly of mans wisdom that is being presented.
No one here is discounting "repentance." However, repentance is not a WORK....it is an act of FAITH/BELIEF. That is so very often misunderstood.
Repentance IS VITAL! Without repentance there is no salvation. But it is not a WORK.
Anyway............this is an old argument, and until all here fully understand what Sanctification is and how it differs from Salvation, the argument will continue.
Repentance IS VITAL! Without repentance there is no salvation. But it is not a WORK.
Anyway............this is an old argument, and until all here fully understand what Sanctification is and how it differs from Salvation, the argument will continue.
From my Blogs............can be read in it's entirety there........
Originally Posted by p_rehbein
A PICTORAL ESSAY OF GOD’S SALVATION PLAN
John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Matthew 23:25) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 26 .) Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Before we Come to Christ, our lives are as a dirty glass full of sin, and we are as “filthy rags” in the eyes of God.
Isaiah 64:6) But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
When the Holy Spirit moves upon our hearts, and convicts us of our sin-filled lives, and we bow down with a sincere and contrite heart to confess our sins, and call upon the Name of Jesus to come into our lives………
The precious blood of Jesus, shed on Calvary’s Cross, is applied to our hearts, and washes us clean of our sins.
Hebrews 9:22 “Without the shedding of blood, there is
no remission of sins.”
1 John 1:7″… the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth
us from all sin.”
Revelation 7:14) And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
THIS IS THE POINT OF OUR SALVATION
Now we must begin our walk with Christ in obedience to His Commandments. The first act is Water Baptism.
Matthew 28:16) Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17 .) And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18 .) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 .) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 .) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Acts 2:36) Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. 37 .) Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 .) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 .) For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.
NOW IS THE TIME FOR OUR SANCTIFICATION
John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Matthew 23:25) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 26 .) Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Before we Come to Christ, our lives are as a dirty glass full of sin, and we are as “filthy rags” in the eyes of God.
Isaiah 64:6) But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
When the Holy Spirit moves upon our hearts, and convicts us of our sin-filled lives, and we bow down with a sincere and contrite heart to confess our sins, and call upon the Name of Jesus to come into our lives………
The precious blood of Jesus, shed on Calvary’s Cross, is applied to our hearts, and washes us clean of our sins.
Hebrews 9:22 “Without the shedding of blood, there is
no remission of sins.”
1 John 1:7″… the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth
us from all sin.”
Revelation 7:14) And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
THIS IS THE POINT OF OUR SALVATION
Now we must begin our walk with Christ in obedience to His Commandments. The first act is Water Baptism.
Matthew 28:16) Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17 .) And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18 .) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 .) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 .) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Acts 2:36) Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. 37 .) Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 .) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 .) For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.
NOW IS THE TIME FOR OUR SANCTIFICATION
I believe we all think and know we have to submit our will to God and then the Holy Spirit moves in at our request to help us become those overcomers. Better we live the gospel life than assume that no one else understands it as we have to remember that God knows the heart of man we just see the outside. God knows who is living up to His truth and obeying through His Spirit...
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J
Hi, WheresEnoch.
For whatever it's worth, I hear you (Christ, really) loud and clear.
Unfortunately, there will always be the majority who have stopped their ears, shut their eyes and hardened their hearts to the true gospel, so just continue on what is right yourself and hopefully you'll be able to encourage some others to do the same along the way. You're spot on about the false gospel and false Christ that many have embraced, even here, but, again, you have no control over anybody's will but your own. Continue to surrender the same fully to Christ and the others will ultimately have to give an account for themselves.
For whatever it's worth, I hear you (Christ, really) loud and clear.
Unfortunately, there will always be the majority who have stopped their ears, shut their eyes and hardened their hearts to the true gospel, so just continue on what is right yourself and hopefully you'll be able to encourage some others to do the same along the way. You're spot on about the false gospel and false Christ that many have embraced, even here, but, again, you have no control over anybody's will but your own. Continue to surrender the same fully to Christ and the others will ultimately have to give an account for themselves.
W
Thank you brother.
I apologize to you all for my careless rant approach, but that's it.
Repent, set your mind on Christ and “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able."
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. 37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
I apologize to you all for my careless rant approach, but that's it.
Repent, set your mind on Christ and “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able."
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. 37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
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J
I can assure you that there's no need whatsoever for you to apologize to me. Quite frankly, your post was like a breath of fresh air in a normally "smoke filled" place...if you know what I mean.
Anyhow, people who have been lulled to sleep need to be aroused from time to time...even if many/most of them will willfully, stubbornly and defiantly go right back to bed.
Have a blessed day in the Lord.
Anyhow, people who have been lulled to sleep need to be aroused from time to time...even if many/most of them will willfully, stubbornly and defiantly go right back to bed.
Have a blessed day in the Lord.
Actually what's "quite clear" is you have not read all of my comments here, or come to an understanding of them, but that's ok, it is quite a common practice here........I am fully aware of what "belief" constitutes...........and it's place in the Salvation process.......thanks though for your insights.
The Law……………..Faith
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Romans 10:1-4 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth. 9.) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10.) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
1[SUP]st[/SUP] Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 19) For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 22) For the Jews require a sign, and the Greek’s seek after wisdom; 23) But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness. 24) But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. 27) But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty.
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 10) For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11) But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12) And the law is not of faith; but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18) For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. 19) Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed shold come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angles in the hand of a mediator, ……23) But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25) But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26) For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. 15) Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace. 16) And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby; …….19) Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Colossians 2: 6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him; 7) Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the traditions of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9) For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, 10) And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power;
3:14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness. 15) And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. 16) Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another, in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Titus 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5) Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6) Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7) That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7) For if the first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8) For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah; …………12) For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13) In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are alled might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 16) For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator…………28) So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2) For then would they not have ceased to be offered? Because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins…… 9) Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, oh God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10) By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Romans 10:1-4 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth. 9.) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10.) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
1[SUP]st[/SUP] Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 19) For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 22) For the Jews require a sign, and the Greek’s seek after wisdom; 23) But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness. 24) But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. 27) But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty.
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 10) For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11) But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12) And the law is not of faith; but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18) For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. 19) Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed shold come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angles in the hand of a mediator, ……23) But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25) But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26) For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. 15) Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace. 16) And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby; …….19) Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Colossians 2: 6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him; 7) Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the traditions of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9) For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, 10) And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power;
3:14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness. 15) And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. 16) Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another, in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Titus 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5) Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6) Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7) That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7) For if the first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8) For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah; …………12) For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13) In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are alled might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 16) For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator…………28) So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2) For then would they not have ceased to be offered? Because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins…… 9) Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, oh God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10) By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.