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J
No, you did not answer my question about why Jesus said that we ought to cut off our hands or pluck out our eyes in the worst case scenario as opposed to having our whole bodies thrown into hell and I never expected one such as you to answer such a question in that you regularly ignore the teachings of Jesus as if they're just some sort of "filler" in our Bibles.
As far as your other comments are concerned, I'm actually glad that you're so opposed to me in that it's beyond evident to me that you don't even know Christ and are but one of several here who have embraced "another Jesus".
Anyhow, your antinomian friend "liked" your comments as if I'm surprised by the same.
As far as your other comments are concerned, I'm actually glad that you're so opposed to me in that it's beyond evident to me that you don't even know Christ and are but one of several here who have embraced "another Jesus".
Anyhow, your antinomian friend "liked" your comments as if I'm surprised by the same.
I think that the problem is that some people (probably those among the tares) teach Jesus as Savior without teaching Jesus as Lord. When we acknowledge the Lordship of Jesus, the requirement of obedience becomes obvious!
Another problem is those who think their work is done when they lead a person to Jesus.
Mt 28:19-20
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
KJV
Some people obey verse 19 but don't have time for verse 20. They are just as disobedient as those who ignore the great commission altogether.
The task of discipleship is just as important as the task of evangelism. If you lack the doctrinal foundation to disciple or or evangelize by mass media, you still have a responsibility to direct a new believer to a Bible believing church and impress upon him/her the need to be fed.
Another problem is those who think their work is done when they lead a person to Jesus.
Mt 28:19-20
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
KJV
Some people obey verse 19 but don't have time for verse 20. They are just as disobedient as those who ignore the great commission altogether.
The task of discipleship is just as important as the task of evangelism. If you lack the doctrinal foundation to disciple or or evangelize by mass media, you still have a responsibility to direct a new believer to a Bible believing church and impress upon him/her the need to be fed.
D
What's wrong with you W. Enoch? Have you lost your marbles? Has your eyes gone completely dark? How can you read over and over again the same passages and never comprehend what it says? Salvation became a free gift when Jesus bought and paid for your Salvation on the cross and took your punishment for you so you wouldn't have to be punished.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[SUP]9[/SUP] Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Oh yeah. I forgot. You want us to forget the words of the Apostle Paul until we understand the words of Jesus. OK. Here are the words of Jesus:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (Here Jesus is saying we have eternal life because we believe in Him, not because we earn it through a lot of good works)
John the baptist: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. ( The only thing that saves you is belief in Jesus, and the only thing that damns you is unbelief in Jesus.)
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.(You are automatically passed from death unto life the the second you here the gospel preached and you believe it and receive it.)
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. (The only "work" of God you have to do is believe in Jesus.)
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
[SUP]40[/SUP] And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. (The Father's will is for everybody to beleive in Jesus and those who do will be saved and raised up at the resurrection.)
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.(We are saved by entering in through Jesus not by showing God a whole list of good works that we accomplished in our lifetime.)
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
[SUP]28[/SUP] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any manpluck them out of my hand.
[SUP]29[/SUP] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluckthem out of my Father's hand.(We shall never perish because we believe in Jesus, and nothing and nobody can pluck us out of His hand, including our own sins and disobediences.)
You said to stop sinning or perish. I did just that 40 years ago when I received Jesus and became born again, born of God.
[SUP]1[/SUP] Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (we who believe in and confess Jesus as our Lord and Savior are born of God and therefore do not sin any more by reason of the fact that Jesus covers and washes away our sins by His blood Sacrifice for us on the cross.)
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
[SUP]2[/SUP] Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
[SUP]3[/SUP] And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (This is how you determine whether somebody is of God or not, by if they confess Jesus as their Lord and Saviour. Jesus is Lord of my Life. There. That proves I am of God. It has nothing to do with how one acts.)
So, you see, saying a sinners prayer does save you. Because by saying the sinners prayer a person is making his confession of faith in Jesus, and, according to all the scriptures I just quoted you, that's all you need to do to get saved.
I would suggest you get out of your judgmental, Pharisaical mindset and repent of your own sins and start depending solely on the Lord for your Salvation instead of your own righteous ability to obey the rules and your own sense of greatness you think you have.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[SUP]9[/SUP] Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Oh yeah. I forgot. You want us to forget the words of the Apostle Paul until we understand the words of Jesus. OK. Here are the words of Jesus:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (Here Jesus is saying we have eternal life because we believe in Him, not because we earn it through a lot of good works)
John the baptist: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. ( The only thing that saves you is belief in Jesus, and the only thing that damns you is unbelief in Jesus.)
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.(You are automatically passed from death unto life the the second you here the gospel preached and you believe it and receive it.)
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. (The only "work" of God you have to do is believe in Jesus.)
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
[SUP]40[/SUP] And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. (The Father's will is for everybody to beleive in Jesus and those who do will be saved and raised up at the resurrection.)
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.(We are saved by entering in through Jesus not by showing God a whole list of good works that we accomplished in our lifetime.)
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
[SUP]28[/SUP] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any manpluck them out of my hand.
[SUP]29[/SUP] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluckthem out of my Father's hand.(We shall never perish because we believe in Jesus, and nothing and nobody can pluck us out of His hand, including our own sins and disobediences.)
You said to stop sinning or perish. I did just that 40 years ago when I received Jesus and became born again, born of God.
[SUP]1[/SUP] Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (we who believe in and confess Jesus as our Lord and Savior are born of God and therefore do not sin any more by reason of the fact that Jesus covers and washes away our sins by His blood Sacrifice for us on the cross.)
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
[SUP]2[/SUP] Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
[SUP]3[/SUP] And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (This is how you determine whether somebody is of God or not, by if they confess Jesus as their Lord and Saviour. Jesus is Lord of my Life. There. That proves I am of God. It has nothing to do with how one acts.)
So, you see, saying a sinners prayer does save you. Because by saying the sinners prayer a person is making his confession of faith in Jesus, and, according to all the scriptures I just quoted you, that's all you need to do to get saved.
I would suggest you get out of your judgmental, Pharisaical mindset and repent of your own sins and start depending solely on the Lord for your Salvation instead of your own righteous ability to obey the rules and your own sense of greatness you think you have.
W
6 And he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none. 7 And he said to the vinedresser, ‘Look, for three years now I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and I find none. Cut it down. Why should it use up the ground?’ 8 And he answered him, ‘Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and put on manure. 9 Then if it should bear fruit next year, well and good; but if not, you can cut it down.’”
Here we can see that God is patient with us. However, that patience runs out. Practicing sin is not a way of life. Anyone who tells you otherwise does not understand the gospel and the power of the Holy Spirit. Anyone who teaches you it is acceptable to be a slave to sin, is not a slave to righteousness.
“You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?8 Bear fruit in keeping with repentance. 9 And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. 10Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Here we can see that God is patient with us. However, that patience runs out. Practicing sin is not a way of life. Anyone who tells you otherwise does not understand the gospel and the power of the Holy Spirit. Anyone who teaches you it is acceptable to be a slave to sin, is not a slave to righteousness.
“You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?8 Bear fruit in keeping with repentance. 9 And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. 10Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
we are not in a church on this site. the heretics, the other gospels, the other schools opposed to truth, all can post, and do. if they break the rules, they get banned, but several of them skirt the rules and just keep spamming , not knowing themselves why and not even in control of their own actions.
M
Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
I totally agree with you on this topic. However, our cushioned pews, air conditioned, techno-enhanced modern electronic churches have very little to do with real repentence. Very few churches mention anything about our spiritual gifts and how to utilize them. Our Society applauds same sex marriages, and so do most denominations now. What do you expect? THIS kind of complacency is overwhelming to say the least. We need more hard-core solid BIBLE being preached from the pulpits, but ministers do not want to hurt feelings or go against popular ideas. A real Holy Spirit filled church will never be politically correct.
W
You are correct. Sin is considered the norm, inevitable, impossible to break free from.
The real church holds each other accountable, exhorts, corrects, encourages and edifies each other.
So many churches these days only encourage us to feel better about our sin, to accept it, while giving us motivational speeches and boring us with endless sermons or dazzling us with the latest and greatest in entertainment. Subjugating the members and Priests of Christ to laity and life in a pew. Passive observers
The real church holds each other accountable, exhorts, corrects, encourages and edifies each other.
So many churches these days only encourage us to feel better about our sin, to accept it, while giving us motivational speeches and boring us with endless sermons or dazzling us with the latest and greatest in entertainment. Subjugating the members and Priests of Christ to laity and life in a pew. Passive observers
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so, mitzy is not under the law, but keeps sinning anyway, every day apparently , all the time in many of his posts at least.
so, since he/she/it is not under the law, is he/ whatever/ saved or not saved ?
i.e. is it okay or possible to just keep sinning because of not being under the law ?
doesn't First John and First Peter address this? (and points out the contradiction of claiming to be saved,
while still willfully or unwillingly sinning.)
so, since he/she/it is not under the law, is he/ whatever/ saved or not saved ?
i.e. is it okay or possible to just keep sinning because of not being under the law ?
doesn't First John and First Peter address this? (and points out the contradiction of claiming to be saved,
while still willfully or unwillingly sinning.)