The golden calf...Shavuot/Pentecost

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chubbena said:
Wait up. While you guys/gals are on the way to Pentecost I'm still in the feast of the unleavened bread. What is solemn assembly and holy convocation about on the last day of the feast? I asked on the other thread but then probably overlooked...
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Cool.... Sorry,

I find nothing in the Bible that talks specially about the 21st day of Nisan. Nevertheless, one needs to consider 3 things. First off it is the 7th day, and 7 represents a mattock according to the Hebrew alphabet. This would clearly mean the preparation of the heart when considering the parable of the sower and the seed, because the ground represents the heart.

2nd is unleavened bread representing 7 full days of journey without stopping to let the yeast of the world to ferment. The absence of yeast in Spiritual terms gives way to untainted flour that represents the Word of God. Nothing else comes to mind with the exception of getting the heck out of captivity to sin. Which leads to the 3rd point.

3rd bitterness prevails. The Bible says eating unleavened bread with bitter herbs. I looked that up and it wasn't actually consuming herbs that were bitter, but the bitterness of consuming the life style before the exodus from that environment. So in essence, the eating of unleavened bread for 7 days was to remember the bitter time without the salvation God promises. Bitterness against the past is the driver of the pursuance of freedom, and not stopping for the yeast to rise in the heart is the entity that beckons.

The quantity of 7 related directly to 3 things completed in Christ Jesus. They are the resurrection, Spiritual completeness, and the Father's perfection.

Matthew 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Isaiah 38:17 Behold, for peace I had great bitterness : but thou hast in love to my soul delivered it from the pit of corruption: for thou hast cast all my sins behind thy back.

Psalms 18:30 As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried : he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.

3 X 7 = 21. I don't think that applies though. LOL Then again???????????????????? :confused::rolleyes: (smile)
 
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Kerry said:
Thought I would paste this here from another thread

Amos 5

20 Shall not the day of the Lord be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?
21I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.
22 Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts.

Reckon why?
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We find that in Isaiah 1:11 "What are all your sacrifices to Me?" asks the LORD. "I have had enough of burnt offerings and rams and the fat of well-fed cattle; I have no desire for the blood of bulls, lambs, or male goats.

They were sacrificing for the same reason idol worshippers were sacrificing, to gain favor of God. Idol worshippers thought that Gods wanted to eat the blood and would repay them. God wanted them to use the shadow of Christ's blood to atone for their sins.

In the same way, makers of the golden calf wanted to see something they could hold in their hands to represent God who is God in spirit and truth, not to hold in hand. They were copying the ways of idol worshippers.

We are not to copy ways the world thinks and worships other Gods, we can't Christianize anything of the world, we must keep our minds on the true God, the God who is God in spirit and in truth.
 
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We find that in Isaiah 1:11 "What are all your sacrifices to Me?" asks the LORD. "I have had enough of burnt offerings and rams and the fat of well-fed cattle; I have no desire for the blood of bulls, lambs, or male goats.

They were sacrificing for the same reason idol worshippers were sacrificing, to gain favor of God. Idol worshippers thought that Gods wanted to eat the blood and would repay them. God wanted them to use the shadow of Christ's blood to atone for their sins.

In the same way, makers of the golden calf wanted to see something they could hold in their hands to represent God who is God in spirit and truth, not to hold in hand. They were copying the ways of idol worshippers.

We are not to copy ways the world thinks and worships other Gods, we can't Christianize anything of the world, we must keep our minds on the true God, the God who is God in spirit and in truth.
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Good point. Without sincerity we are all legalistic, whether professing salvation or not.

Isaiah 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said , Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me
 
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Ok we are having an assembly but have no clue what the solemn assembly was about. You've got us something to discuss. The bitter herb is something we definitely talk about later on.
Earlier we talked about yeast. We were quite sure yeast always represented sin but then we realized leavened bread were to present as wave offering on feast of weeks/Pentecost and same were for fellowship offering. Probably something to do with the Holy Spirit. The dual meanings of the parable of the leaven suddenly become possible. We are still talking about it but I'm so excited that I want you to know. Please share what you think. I'll check back later... Thanks
 
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iamsoandso said:
,,,,,,,,attah ahhab shel qureb ha be am ahnee kakha ve kakha am Ahnee
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here is a link to the type writing system/hebrew/pro canaanite/old negev ect. that would have probably have been used by Moses(five books) and then even later. the Hebrew text as we know it today did not evolve until years later. i posted this (maybe it will help,maybe not),,,, here is the link tho,,, The Origins and Emergence of West Semitic Alphabetic Scripts it is from Brigham young university,,

in the chapters you are using in your study it uses the word for ram(20+ times),the picture of the ram depicted in the old style Hebrew is most prob. the way it was written i.e.gen., exodus,lev. ect.,,,,,,,,,aleph,,,or in proto/caan. is an "ox",,then it evolved to a "v" shape with a line thru it(seen in the link),,beth is a tent/house,some variations of it were as if a box was devided into "two rooms,one an entrance the other the inside chamber",,the rest also with their own meanings as you know,,,,,but to look at the symbols and compare them to the things you are tying together i.e.(Christ/ram/lamb),,ect. i thought might be of some help,,,,,,,
 
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p.s. the link opens at "home",,,if you scroll the left side down to,,,,"11,111,1V",,,,you will see the images,,,,then compare them to the different Hebrew alphabets i think you all are already using,,,,the old one with the ox head=aleph is the one that moses knew,,then in later years it was translated into the Hebrew we have,,,,,,
 
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iamsoandso said:
here is a link to the type writing system/hebrew/pro canaanite/old negev ect. that would have probably have been used by Moses(five books) and then even later. the Hebrew text as we know it today did not evolve until years later. i posted this (maybe it will help,maybe not),,,, here is the link tho,,, The Origins and Emergence of West Semitic Alphabetic Scripts it is from Brigham young university,,

in the chapters you are using in your study it uses the word for ram(20+ times),the picture of the ram depicted in the old style Hebrew is most prob. the way it was written i.e.gen., exodus,lev. ect.,,,,,,,,,aleph,,,or in proto/caan. is an "ox",,then it evolved to a "v" shape with a line thru it(seen in the link),,beth is a tent/house,some variations of it were as if a box was devided into "two rooms,one an entrance the other the inside chamber",,the rest also with their own meanings as you know,,,,,but to look at the symbols and compare them to the things you are tying together i.e.(Christ/ram/lamb),,ect. i thought might be of some help,,,,,,,
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Pretty close to these I'm thinking. thank you for the info.
Hebrew alphabet chart
Hebrew Pictograms
Biblical Numerics
 
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yea,,,,your thinking on the same track,,,ill hush for now,,,,
 
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Ok we are having an assembly but have no clue what the solemn assembly was about. You've got us something to discuss. The bitter herb is something we definitely talk about later on.
Earlier we talked about yeast. We were quite sure yeast always represented sin but then we realized leavened bread were to present as wave offering on feast of weeks/Pentecost and same were for fellowship offering. Probably something to do with the Holy Spirit. The dual meanings of the parable of the leaven suddenly become possible. We are still talking about it but I'm so excited that I want you to know. Please share what you think. I'll check back later... Thanks
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Not always does yeast represent sin. There are 4 scriptures that come to mind when thinking about leaven/yeast. Yeast is also related to the drink Jesus took just before He died, and refused when they first offered it to Him. Vinegar was/is fermented, and related.

Matthew 27:33-34 And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say , a place of a skull, They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink .

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said , It is finished : and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

The following refers to Pentecost/Shavuot the day after the 7 weeks of the feast of weeks. This commemorates the same day that Moses went up to receive the tables of stone in Exodus 24:12-18.

Leviticus 23:15-17
15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: 16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD. 17 Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.

Last, but certainly not least. The kingdom of heaven should be increasing in our lives according to firstfruits, Jesus being that, and us being a type of the same. It all has to do with what is increasing in our lives. Not taking the time for the world to increase in our lives, but taking time out for the kingdom of God to increase in our lives. That's what Sabbath is for. It's one or the other. Man cannot serve booth God, and mammon at the same time.

Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took , and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened .
 
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yea,,,,your thinking on the same track,,,ill hush for now,,,,
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But it shows love man. You make me smile because you want the best in every case for us to represent our loving Father in truth, and not to take His name in vain, plus represent Him the way He wants. Thanks be to our great Father in heaven, and our Savior, and His Spirit that dwells inside of us. GOOD THINGS on this thread.:D
 
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Ezekiel 1;10,,,38;2,,,,41;19,,,,10;14,,,,ect. continue with the symbols,,,,,,,,
 
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oops Ive been edited across 3 post maybe i should be careful,,,,,,,,,,,
 
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just-me said:
But it shows love man. You make me smile because you want the best in every case for us to represent our loving Father in truth, and not to take His name in vain, plus represent Him the way He wants. Thanks be to our great Father in heaven, and our Savior, and His Spirit that dwells inside of us. GOOD THINGS on this thread.:D
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(me smiling,,,Galatians 5;4,,,,,),,,my whole purpose is the new covenant,,,,
 
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