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K
I like most of what you posted here except that part that I highlighted where you are saying unconfessed sins are not a ticket to hell. If they are not confessed, then they are not forgiven and covered by His blood. And the bible says you have to have that forgiveness to enter into the kingdom of heaven, and unconfessed sins make you impure. And Paul says no impure person will inherit the kingdom.
Ephesians 5:5
New American Standard Bible
For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
King James Bible
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
P
[SUP]1[/SUP] It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
[SUP]2[/SUP] And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
[SUP]3[/SUP] For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
[SUP]4[/SUP] In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
[SUP]5[/SUP] To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
[SUP]6[/SUP] Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
[SUP]7[/SUP] Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
[SUP]8[/SUP] Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
[SUP]2[/SUP] And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
[SUP]3[/SUP] For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
[SUP]4[/SUP] In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
[SUP]5[/SUP] To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
[SUP]6[/SUP] Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
[SUP]7[/SUP] Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
[SUP]8[/SUP] Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
K
The bible says faith comes by hearing;
[h=1]Romans 10:17
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.[/h]
Lord Jesus says that those who believe in Him, are as such;
Luke 6:46-49
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
K
Yes this passage is about letting them be handed over to Satan for the wrongs/sins that they are living in, and don't want to give up. By giving them over to the authorities of this world would hopefully get them to repent of their ways, and come to the salvation of their spirits. In other words this could be an example of one who breaks the laws, and gets thrown in prison. Then because of them hitting rock bottom, they give themselves to Christ.
P
For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.[SUP]16[/SUP] If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[SUP]17[/SUP] Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[SUP]18[/SUP] For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
[SUP]19[/SUP] For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
[SUP]20[/SUP] Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[SUP]21[/SUP] I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
[SUP]22[/SUP] For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
[SUP]23[/SUP] But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
[SUP]24[/SUP] O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
[SUP]25[/SUP] I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
[SUP]17[/SUP] Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[SUP]18[/SUP] For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
[SUP]19[/SUP] For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
[SUP]20[/SUP] Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[SUP]21[/SUP] I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
[SUP]22[/SUP] For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
[SUP]23[/SUP] But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
[SUP]24[/SUP] O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
[SUP]25[/SUP] I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
P
For the record I do believe a gospel that is preached without repentance is a false gospel. Yes the wages of sin are death but in that we are told we a have a sin nature and that he who says he has no sin is deceived it isn't accurate to say that once we are saved and commit any sin we have fallen out of the family of God and are destined to Hell. God is bigger than that. It is also not accurate to say that we can just go around doing whatever the flesh tempts us to do without ramifications. Sin seperates us from God and fellowship with him and can lead us down some bad roads.
H
True.
Kenneth is the most prolific pusher of this false doctrine that Christians each have a sin ledger which needs to be perfectly balanced with confessions or else they are unrighteous and lost. Kenneth's see-saw, in and out of righteousness doctrine, is a lukewarm mix of works of the law, with grace, which suggests a rejection of of the justification Christians have when we believe on Jesus.
The fact that Kenneth describes Christ's commandment to believe on him (John 3:16) as "merely belief that does not save" shows where he is at.
Kenneth is the most prolific pusher of this false doctrine that Christians each have a sin ledger which needs to be perfectly balanced with confessions or else they are unrighteous and lost. Kenneth's see-saw, in and out of righteousness doctrine, is a lukewarm mix of works of the law, with grace, which suggests a rejection of of the justification Christians have when we believe on Jesus.
The fact that Kenneth describes Christ's commandment to believe on him (John 3:16) as "merely belief that does not save" shows where he is at.
how many sins did Adam commit before he was ejected from the Garden?? sin is not acceptable in the presence of God...so for one to even think he can have sin and be in God's presence is beyond my understanding...that is the reason God made it that way so we can come before his throne in purity by cleansing in confession...you admit that sin separates us from God if you die in that state where will you spend eternity?....the bad road it leads to is hell and death...
In Christ we are commanded to be rid of the sin nature(natural man) because we are now partakers of the divine nature...
2 Peter 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
In Christ we are commanded to be rid of the sin nature(natural man) because we are now partakers of the divine nature...
2 Peter 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
I know that its hard for some to understand that God has justified us...they need confession for their own conscience ...but God is not imputing sin to those He has justified by faith in His Son....you cannot be justified one min and then a sinner under law the next...that's silly!
scripture does not say one is permanently justified....which is what you are implying...
Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
it is those that are sanctified....
1 Thessalonians 4:3-5King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
H
What Mitspa refers to is the false doctrine that Kenneth follows that foolishly says that a Christian's righteousness is like a see-saw where we are bobbing up and down, in and out of justification, over and over again, as a Christian.
Instead, we see in scripture that as long as we believe on Jesus then we're justified and sanctified.
And Christians we're sanctified the day we believed on Jesus Christ. It was Christ's sacrifice that sanctified us.
Heb 10:10
By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all
And the way that Christians remain sanctified is to continue to believe on Jesus, that's why we fight the good fight of faith, 1Tim 6:12.
Thus as Christians we shun any spiritual lust for Hagar (symbolic for righteousness by works of the law, Gal 4:24), unlike Gentiles (unbelievers like legalsists) who lust for Hagar, desiring to be under the law.
Christians abstain from spiritual fornication with Hagar, as is God's will (1Thess 4:3)
Instead, we see in scripture that as long as we believe on Jesus then we're justified and sanctified.
And Christians we're sanctified the day we believed on Jesus Christ. It was Christ's sacrifice that sanctified us.
Heb 10:10
By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all
And the way that Christians remain sanctified is to continue to believe on Jesus, that's why we fight the good fight of faith, 1Tim 6:12.
Thus as Christians we shun any spiritual lust for Hagar (symbolic for righteousness by works of the law, Gal 4:24), unlike Gentiles (unbelievers like legalsists) who lust for Hagar, desiring to be under the law.
Christians abstain from spiritual fornication with Hagar, as is God's will (1Thess 4:3)
H
Here we sort of agree.
But where we disagree is that scriptures shows us that Christians "cannot sin" (1John 3:9), we've "ceased from sin"(1Pet4;1) the day we believe on Jesus. This is not based on how good a lifestyle we live (as the thief on the cross proves). Instead it's based on our believing on Jesus, and thus we're covered by his righteousness, holiness, sinlessness, perfection.
Christians are a new creation. Our life is hid with Christ in God, Col 3:3. We abide in Christ (1John 3:6) and in him there is no sin (1John 3:5). To say that a Christian (one who abides in Christ) sins, is like saying that there is sin in Christ.
1John 3:5,6
And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
Newbirth, why do you think it's silly that once we receive Christ that we cannot be charged with sin any longer?
Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing (this includes sin) to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
This is the same foolish see-saw, bobbing up and down righteousness, in and out of God's presence, doctrine that Kenneth follows. As Mitspa said, ït's silly". And it's not supported in scripture.
Christians got rid of the sin nature (flesh) the day we believed on Jesus. As long as we believe on Jesus then we're walking in the Spirit and are partakers of the divine nature as our life is hid with Christ in God, Col 3:3. When we believe on Jesus then we've escaped the corruption that is in the world with it's lust for self-righteousness.
But where we disagree is that scriptures shows us that Christians "cannot sin" (1John 3:9), we've "ceased from sin"(1Pet4;1) the day we believe on Jesus. This is not based on how good a lifestyle we live (as the thief on the cross proves). Instead it's based on our believing on Jesus, and thus we're covered by his righteousness, holiness, sinlessness, perfection.
Christians are a new creation. Our life is hid with Christ in God, Col 3:3. We abide in Christ (1John 3:6) and in him there is no sin (1John 3:5). To say that a Christian (one who abides in Christ) sins, is like saying that there is sin in Christ.
1John 3:5,6
And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
Newbirth, why do you think it's silly that once we receive Christ that we cannot be charged with sin any longer?
Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing (this includes sin) to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
This is the same foolish see-saw, bobbing up and down righteousness, in and out of God's presence, doctrine that Kenneth follows. As Mitspa said, ït's silly". And it's not supported in scripture.
Christians got rid of the sin nature (flesh) the day we believed on Jesus. As long as we believe on Jesus then we're walking in the Spirit and are partakers of the divine nature as our life is hid with Christ in God, Col 3:3. When we believe on Jesus then we've escaped the corruption that is in the world with it's lust for self-righteousness.
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