The Role of the Woman

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CeileDe

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Zo never expressly stated or even alluded to that. You know what, it is so embarrassing where a young girl has to say she is virgin because some men on here cannot help themselves but call a young girl immoral, because they do not understand the young girl who is intelligent enough to use generalities and not specifics. Guys, this really is poor behaviour and does not belong on a Christian forum. The fact that Zo has to mention her private life (see below) just to make a point is shocking. Do you guys understand the right to a private life? Zo has the right to a private life and she should not have to make comments about her own life, just because the guys do not understand when persons use non-specific terms.
Read my post again. I said "I'm not saying Zoii falls into this category." What part of that tells you I said she was immoral. I was commenting on your post where you stated a man has no right to call a girl or woman immoral. God is the one calling them that IF they are having sex before marriage. This goes for men as well.
 
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CeileDe

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I want you all to stop call me names. I want you all to stop telling people here i'm immoral. I want you all to stop inferring I am a whore and for that matter even saying I am having sex. I want you all to stop bullying me
Who is saying this to you Zoii?
 
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i believed you agreed with Ageofknowldge who addressed Zo, age 14 using the terms 'sexually immoral' in his response to her, which was un-called for and disproportionate to her own statement. No man has the right to call any young girl or woman for that matter 'sexually immoral.'
Immorality is expressed in different ways..

adjective1.violating moral principles; not conforming to the patterns of conductusually accepted or established as consistent with principles of personal and social ethics.

2.licentious or lascivious.

Have posts been made by this individual that are outside of what is acceptable?

then he is immoral

Has he boasted of a woman falling in love with him and how he left her?

that's immoral too

Has he bullied a young teen-ager and made suggestive remarks about her sexuality?

well that is certainly immoral

does he post continually in an effort to convert others to his way of thinking even though that way is in direct conflict with the Christian directive of those who follow Christ to not be engaged in worldy systems?

that, indicates a very deep immoral conscience

really, immorality is running rampant in this thread and should be considered as trash to be taken to the curb of our collective consciences and thrown out



 
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Who is saying this to you Zoii?
ageofknowledge...he's a piece of work

I have the thought he is titallated by talking to this young teenager in the manner he does

sounds like he is on the creepy side

it has been reported but maybe we should all step up and let the mods know how out of turn ageofknowledge is and how he has addressed a young woman

his speech is abusive and not even slightly Christian...he has introduced his own god into this thread and it really needs to stop
 
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CeileDe

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ageofknowledge...he's a piece of work

I have the thought he is titallated by talking to this young teenager in the manner he does

sounds like he is on the creepy side
Ok thanks, because she was referring to more than one person and I think she needs to be specific.
 
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Ok thanks, because she was referring to more than one person and I think she needs to be specific.

she's 14 man...she's 14 and pretty upset
 

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I think this is the main issue with your understanding. You seem to not like scripture. You say you threw a lot of scripture at me but you will do whatever you want. The verses you so disregard are the Word of God. I don't see why you feel following the Word of God you will have nothing but a loving relationship with your future husband. The scriptures don't give a free pass for men to treat their wives like animals. If a man is being controlling and abusing his wife then he isn't of God and is twisting scripture to support his own agenda.

I keep on reading comments about how certain scripture is for that time and not this time. If Christians believe this then eventually nothing in the Bible will be for today and we might as well just burn the Word of God like anti Christians do. You can't pick and choose what parts of the Bible you believe and what parts you don't. Gods Word was here at the beginning and it says when heaven and earth pass away the Word will remain. What I see here is pride coming from you and a lot of others when discussing this topic. Granted it is a hard topic to swallow and if I were a woman I would probably question it as well. There are many things in the Bible that I have questioned, but after meditating on it and seeking Holy Spirits guidance I have seen what the truth is.

I think the problem (if there is a problem) is that Zoii, like most of us doesn't like being disrespected; and you feel at liberty to disrespect her. As someone who has made teaching a career, I can tell you that if you don't respect your students, you can't teach them. Respect does not need to include agreement with someone's position.

The quickest way to get someone to stop listening is to talk down to them.
 
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she's 14 man...she's 14 and pretty upset
Yes and making comments that is going to get attention. I've read through Zoii's posts and don't see any scripture backing her claims up. She got noticed when she made her very first post which is below.

Mary Anne. Sister I cant support everything you said. I just don't see it as my role to be subordinate to anyone. If I marry I see it as a partnership. I'm definitely not any expert only matters of sex but I see both partners having responsibilities. I know enough about sex to know a lot of men have a lot of work to do in being good sexual partners. But my main thing about women subordination and obedience is that withdrawing love from a husband is natural and even right where the husband is abusive either physically or verbally. There can be no such thing as the dutiful wife in those circumstances and her priority is to her own safety and the safety of her children.

Another post from Zoii.


I really cant accept the value that the man has to be the head of a marriage - its a partnership. I cant accept that a womans place is to be subordinant to her husband. I cant accept that a wifes place is to be submissive sexually to her husbands needs. Whether you agree with me or not I cant help seeing it as a version of women as servants. I feel so strongly about some of the statements made about a womans role it pretty well convinces me to go to a sperm bank, have my children and love them, and avoid the necessary servitude to men and avoid the risks of abuse domestic violence and issues that seem to come with the package of being tied to a man.

These statements from her is going to draw attention to where she is getting her information from. She never refers to God or scripture. If a 14 year old girl is going to make statements like this then someone is going to correct her. This thread was a "HATE MEN THREAD" but now it has turned into the "POOR ZOII THREAD" I"m sorry if I seem a bit bitter about this but I'm not going to keep quiet when people are claiming the scripture says for MEN are to ABUSE their wives and treat them like DOGS. If you have issues with scripture take it up with God and ask Him why He wanted it in the bible.
 

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And here we have a perfect example why 70% of young men (and growing) in Western Civilization presently refuse to marry anymore. Little miss radical feminist liberated secularist is going to learn the hard way as is any male foolish enough to become legally ensnared by her.

Me, I just want to change the law so these young secular feminists have to go to war and fight on the front lines with a rife in their hand through full tours exactly as men do in a legally mandated 50/50 ratio. Because you know, they don't need no man do the fighting and dying for them either obviously. Tag them and bag them.
I certainly don't agree with everything Zoii has posted; but IMO, she shows a great deal more maturity, wisdom, empatht, and compassion than I see coming from you.

If you need to target 14 year old girls with ad hominim attacks to make you feel strong; you don't exhibit much respect for yourself: so I suppose expecting you to respect others is expecting too much!
 
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This thread has ran its course (at least with me). God bless and good luck with the never ending battle of who is right and who is wrong.
 
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Yes and making comments that is going to get attention. I've read through Zoii's posts and don't see any scripture backing her claims up. She got noticed when she made her very first post which is below.

Mary Anne. Sister I cant support everything you said. I just don't see it as my role to be subordinate to anyone. If I marry I see it as a partnership. I'm definitely not any expert only matters of sex but I see both partners having responsibilities. I know enough about sex to know a lot of men have a lot of work to do in being good sexual partners. But my main thing about women subordination and obedience is that withdrawing love from a husband is natural and even right where the husband is abusive either physically or verbally. There can be no such thing as the dutiful wife in those circumstances and her priority is to her own safety and the safety of her children.

Another post from Zoii.


I really cant accept the value that the man has to be the head of a marriage - its a partnership. I cant accept that a womans place is to be subordinant to her husband. I cant accept that a wifes place is to be submissive sexually to her husbands needs. Whether you agree with me or not I cant help seeing it as a version of women as servants. I feel so strongly about some of the statements made about a womans role it pretty well convinces me to go to a sperm bank, have my children and love them, and avoid the necessary servitude to men and avoid the risks of abuse domestic violence and issues that seem to come with the package of being tied to a man.

These statements from her is going to draw attention to where she is getting her information from. She never refers to God or scripture. If a 14 year old girl is going to make statements like this then someone is going to correct her. This thread was a "HATE MEN THREAD" but now it has turned into the "POOR ZOII THREAD" I"m sorry if I seem a bit bitter about this but I'm not going to keep quiet when people are claiming the scripture says for MEN are to ABUSE their wives and treat them like DOGS. If you have issues with scripture take it up with God and ask Him why He wanted it in the bible.

what part of she is 14 don't you get?

how were you at 14?

at 14 I was a tomboy and did not even think of marriage but as I got older I used to actually worry if I would find a man that would be an independent thinker

Don't put the blame on a 14 year old girl...she probably gets her info where most teenagers do but I don't want to speak for her

 

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If she keeps going down the road she's on she'll be just another immoral, sin-jaded, hard-hearted, selfish, egotistical, materialist, anti-christ Jezebel in less than a decade. Wait for it...

On what basis do you challenge her morality?

The two of you are quickly eroding any respect I may have had for either of you.


I trust that the Lord will correct Zoii's theology in His time and in His way but she already shows far more gentleness, empathy, and compassion that either or both of you!
 
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Whether or not you think that you're sure, the truth is that you're mistaken. I have two master's degrees and a bachelor of science all with A averages and one of them is an MBA. I was formally trained how to do research and how to correctly work with statistics. But it's obvious, that you NEVER have been.

This erroneous nonsense your posting is as useless as the personal attacks, continuing false assertions, and totally unsupported screed (sans-empirical data) that constitute almost everything you've written.

And to be honest, I don't have time for it so I'm placing you on ignore. Talk to the hand. If you ever mature to the point that can actually support anything you say with empirical data properly (rather than lash out like an ignoramus at everyone who does), I'll think about taking you off ignore.

Until then, au revoir because you are a straight waste of my time and that is the truth.


Without even accessing these alleged sources, one thing that I am sure of is that you have likely twisted the sources' content to benefit your own twisted brand of politics; and or those statistics to which you allude, as you have not cited anything per se, are either based on ignorant populations like you; and or there are problems with sample error for instance the sample size is too small to perfect a useful correlation. When you make reference to any idea this same person is supposed to make specific reference too so the other interested person or audience may trace what has been said and decide for their self whether the statements are indeed valid or whether they're prejudiced owning to bias or other subjective matter.
 

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Judges have a duty to be objective, or they could recuse their person from that case. Some judges are women, too. I don't know if judges view potential custodial parents as vulnerable, not unless some psych./ therapist report says so, or the guardian ad litem or the court appointed staff indicate so. According Grams, M. (2004), a female lawyer, men manipulate children to get access, so this would mean the father gets custody. I would like to see your research that evidences what you are claiming to be the case. :)
Yes, I am aware there are female judges. Yes, they are supposed to be objective, and I was not giving them a pass to not be objective, only stating that many judges are not, or so it would seem. I was only stating that though it be in law, doesn't mean it is practiced. And decerning mtoives can be difficult. In many cases, nowadays, judge and jury motives are determined by the public enitely on their final decision - not on what actually led to the decision.

Take the Michael Brown case (I do not wish to discuss it, only as example). When the cop was not removed, what did people say? "Oh the jury was all racist, that's why they let him go - oh and this is a good excuse for a riot and to terrorize innocent people." Could he have pulled the gun to defend himself? What about Brown having robbed a store only so many minutes later (and caught on video, nonetheless)? But, many members of society have preconceived notions and a subjective, limited view of black people, and some go so far as to remove responsibility for crime on the grounds of "society made them do it; they're not guilty."

Anyhow, this ties into women because they are also seen as victims, and Third Wave radicals TELL THEM they are victims, and they are entitled to things that they are not.

So far as the bold, I would actually like to do that; haven't used the school databases for a while now. :) I admit, I was mostly speaking from common perception, which in reality, could be off the mark. But I'm sure there's no shortage of literature and studies attempting in refute of radical feminism.
 
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I didn't mean that He never does, only that to expect life to roll smoothly because we obey is not biblical. The perfect marriage because you waited to have sex and got to know the guy is not something garenteed. Sometimes His blessing is not what we would think of as a blessing.


... God blesses us, for a fact. How we interpret blessings, is the subjective matter.


Discernment is not something, imo, that God hands you totally and fully when becoming a Christian. It's so something you grow in, and so something you will also make mistakes in, as well.

Dont think I disagree with anything said there. But the provision for divorce in the Bible is only in the case of fornication. I know divorce happens but in the Christian life it should be rare and the last resort. Therefore the issues AofK is talking about should not be a huge worry for Christians.
 

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The laws that stop women from being sent to the front line to fight, kill, and die at the same rate as men. Those slots should be opened for women and women actively recruited to fill them. And in the event of a draft, women should be forced into those dangerous infantry positions at the same rate of men and if they can't handle it, then suffer the same consequences up to and including dishonorable discharge. No gender favoritism should be extended under any circumstances whatsoever.

Women shouldn't get to sit in the rear with the gear planning their next promotion to garner greater power over men busy fighting, killing, getting wounded/maimed, and dying; and promotions, resources, etc... than the men actually making themselves disposable risking life and limb on the front line in large numbers. I want totally equality in the military and a 50/50 ratio on the battlefield. Period.

If you want to interpret that as a "veiled threat," that's your problem. I never meant it that way. For me, it's just the next step toward full equality so let's get it done.

As for your view that radical feminism is equal access to education, opportunity, healthcare, etc... I'm going to disagree. Radical feminism is a feminist effort to gain complete governmental, institutional, and cultural power over non-females for the benefit of females.

This is presently disguised in "progressivism" as an effort to use the government, institutions, and culture to radically reorder society to eliminate every vestige of "male supremacy" in every possible context. But the entire feminist movement has morphed into a form of socio-political female supremacy.

Obviously the above has nothing to do with your comments about rape, separatism, access to education or the job market, etc... I never even mentioned that. Don't project it at me. Since it's in your head, and not mine, you get to own that.

What I'm talking about is cutting women off from being able to use government, institutions, cultural stigma, etc... to exploit men for their labor, resources, protection, etc...

The only injustice I see is women gaining political power to change the rule of law so the government will be their "Big Brother" police officer to exploit men, on their behalf. This especially true if a male makes the mistake of saying "I do."

Well I do NOT. Go it alone, on your own two feet, and stop using the government to exploit males. Trying to frame that as some kind of an effort for justice is delusional. It's systemic exploitation of men by women plain and simple.

Any male that contractually places themselves under a body of law which allows the government to legally deprive them of their natural human rights, liberty [up to and including incarceration in the nation's penal system], power, resources, progeny, etc... for years and possibly even the rest of their natural life is a fool.

But men are waking up to this female supremacy disguised as feminism and seeing through the smoke screen to what awaits them in the radical feminist new order under our progressively anti-male society and saying, "I don't."

It's the only rational way forward for men. Do it yourselves women. We owe you NOTHING and we purpose to give you NOTHING. Molon Labe.

As far as I can see, you are the only man on the forum who thinks this way.
 
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Really? I'm not saying Zoii falls into this category, but if a 14 years old girl is having sex before marriage she isn't sexually immoral? I believe the Bible says differently.

IF Zoii was having sex before marriage that is an issue for her parents and her pastor to talk out. Not for a forum to tell her she is sexually immoral or anything else. She pm-ed me and was very hurt by what was said to her. That is why I told Age of Knowledge he should apologize,which he refused and rather flippantly blew me off. Zoii was very distressed and I havent heard from her since. AofK was way out of line in what he said to her but apparently cant humble himself to apologize to her. I sure dont see any Christian love and compassion coming from him,just nonsense about law and men not wanting to get married. One can say anything,its what we do that proves we are a Christian.
 
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kaylagrl

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I'm sorry Zoii when have I called you a name?

You should have sorry and left the last part out. Kinda blaming the victim. But thank you for being a gentleman and saying sorry.
 
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kaylagrl

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she's 14 man...she's 14 and pretty upset
Good to see folks here standing up for Zoii. I totally agree with what you said about AofK also.
 

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Agreed. I've placed her on my ignore list permanently as I have zero interest in discussing such issues with a 14 year old. Legal adults only please. Thank you.

That is too bad! You could learn a lot from her!
 
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