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[Ahwatukee]

About Daniel 9:27, I found this on the net. Hebrew transliteration, confirm=to make strong. Mistranslated in NASB as to "make a covenant". Correct, "to strengthen a covenant". Also the word covenant in that place is the same word for the Abrahamic covenant.

No! How about "He makes a strong covenant?" As I said, the covenant can't be any longer than seven years and that because sixty-nine of them have already been fulfilled and there is "one seven" left.

No matter how you try to change the scripture Samuel, the "He" of the verse is the one who is initiating that last seven years.

 

[Ahwatukee]

About Daniel 9:27, I found this on the net. Hebrew transliteration, confirm=to make strong. Mistranslated in NASB as to "make a covenant". Correct, "to strengthen a covenant". Also the word covenant in that place is the same word for the Abrahamic covenant.

Below is the definition of the word gabar:

Strong's Concordance

gabar: to be strong, mighty​

Original Word: גָּבַר
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: gabar
Phonetic Spelling: (gaw-bar')
Short Definition: prevailedNAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
a prim. root
Definition: to be strong, mighty

NASB Translation
become (1), conducts himself arrogantly (1), exert (1), great (2), magnified (1), make a firm (1), prevail (5), prevailed (9), strengthen (2), stronger (1), surpassed (1).

As you can see, the word does not imply the strengthening of an existing covenant. It is being implied by you and others. The "He" of the verse is making a strong or firm covenant.

 

[garee]

No! How about "He makes a strong covenant?" As I said, the covenant can't be any longer than seven years and that because sixty-nine of them have already been fulfilled and there is "one seven" left.



No matter how you try to change the scripture Samuel, the "He" of the verse is the one who is initiating that last seven years.

The refomation is over. Christ has come in the flesh . The vail is still rent. The outward Jews in respect to their sinful flesh are still waiting. What does that say about them? Will putting up another building that they can worship as a idol, profit them as if God was a man as us? ?


2John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that "Jesus Christ" is come in the flesh. This is a deceiverand an antichrist.

 

[iamsoandso]

So the deceivers that entered the world continue right along as if Jesus was not the Christ and build a temple and sacrifice just as if he had not come.

 

[Ahwatukee]

The refomation is over. Christ has come in the flesh . The vail is still rent. The outward Jews in respect to their sinful flesh are still waiting. What does that say about them? Will putting up another building that they can worship as a idol, profit them as if God was a man as us? ?


2John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that "Jesus Christ" is come in the flesh. This is a deceiverand an antichrist.

Morning garee,

Daniel 9:27 has nothing to do with the reformation. God has unfinished business with His people Israel and prophesies that must be fulfilled.

According to Dan.9:24 seventy sevens were decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem.

At the sixty ninth seven the Messiah was cut off and God began to build His church. At that time He put the last seven of the seventy sevens, that was decreed upon them, on hold for a future fulfillment in conjunction with Christ's return to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom.

Once the church has been completed the Lord will descend and gather His church taking them back to the Father's house, as promised (John 14:1-3).

Following the gathering of the church, God will take up right where He left off with Israel fulfilling that last seven years, complete with temple and sacrifices.

And that's the truth

 

[zone]

God has unfinished business with His people Israel and prophesies that must be fulfilled.

according to your theology, since you're not His people Israel, you're not saved yet either

 

[eternally-gratefull]

About Daniel 9:27, I found this on the net. Hebrew transliteration, confirm=to make strong. Mistranslated in NASB as to "make a covenant". Correct, "to strengthen a covenant". Also the word covenant in that place is the same word for the Abrahamic covenant.

Does not prove that it is STILL not FUTURE covenant.

it did not occure in 70 AD no matter what.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No! How about "He makes a strong covenant?" As I said, the covenant can't be any longer than seven years and that because sixty-nine of them have already been fulfilled and there is "one seven" left.

No matter how you try to change the scripture Samuel, the "He" of the verse is the one who is initiating that last seven years.

It could be a covenant already in place. Which when he took power. he confirmed it, or strengthened it..

It does not take away fromt he 70 weeks. because the 70 week just deals with the final 7 years..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The refomation is over. Christ has come in the flesh . The vail is still rent. The outward Jews in respect to their sinful flesh are still waiting. What does that say about them? Will putting up another building that they can worship as a idol, profit them as if God was a man as us? ?


2John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that "Jesus Christ" is come in the flesh. This is a deceiverand an antichrist.

This argument is mute No oner ever said the temple would be there to forgive sin. In fact. no temple ever had a part of ANYONE ever forgiveing sin.

All the prophesy said is a temple is in place.. Thats ALL that matters. (it being in a temple of sin is inconsequential)

 

[Ahwatukee]

So the deceivers that entered the world continue right along as if Jesus was not the Christ and build a temple and sacrifice just as if he had not come.

His people Israel are not deceivers. And I would caution you regarding this when God told Abraham, "those who bless you I will bless, but those who curse you I will curse." It was for the benefit for the rest of the world that Israel became enemy's so that God could have mercy on the rest of the peoples of the earth.

"As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all."

Israel will receive God's mercy during that during that last 3 1/2 years of the seventieth seven. For when that abomination is set up, the woman, Israel, will flee out into the desert where God will care for her for 1260 days, which is that last 3 1/2 years with Christ returning at the end.

"The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days."

"The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So the deceivers that entered the world continue right along as if Jesus was not the Christ and build a temple and sacrifice just as if he had not come.

they did it for almost 40 years after his death, So what would make it any different?

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Confirming the covenant with Abraham... one would assume "many" to be the many nations of Abraham.

It is the Mosaic Covenant

 

[Ahwatukee]

It could be a covenant already in place. Which when he took power. he confirmed it, or strengthened it..

It does not take away fromt he 70 weeks. because the 70 week just deals with the final 7 years..

Morning EG,

The scripture gives a detailed account of the full 70 weeks of years:

Seven 'sevens' = Restore and rebuild Jerusalem

Sixty-two 'sevens = Messiah cut off

One 'seven' = Seven year covenant established by the "He" identified in the Dan.9:26

The last seven years will be confirmed/established/initiated by that ruler, the antichrist.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Morning EG,

The scripture gives a detailed account of the full 70 weeks of years:

Seven 'sevens' = Restore and rebuild Jerusalem

Sixty-two 'sevens = Messiah cut off

One 'seven' = Seven year covenant established by the "He" identified in the Dan.9:26

The last seven years will be confirmed/established/initiated by that ruler, the antichrist.

Yes I know.

I am just saying the covenant could be a covenant or agreement already in place. Just "confirmed" or "strengthened" by the world leader. Which starts the 7 years..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And the covenant is neither mosaic or abrahamic. It is a future covenant with MANY (most likely many nations).

The abrahamic covenant is for ALL (in you shall ALL the nations) except concerning the land. And the mosaic is with one (Israel) nation.

 

[Ahwatukee]

according to your theology, since you're not His people Israel, you're not saved yet either

How do you figure? I belong to the church, which is a different entity than Israel. The church has already believed in Christ are therefore covered by His shed blood, where Israel has not believed, for they stumbled over the stumbling stone. Once the church has been completed, God will then pick up right where He left off, complete with temple and sacrifices and will fulfill that last seven years that was decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem. It is sometime during that last 3 1/2 years that Israel will acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah saying, "blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord."

 

[Spurgeoncy]

And the covenant is neither mosaic or abrahamic. It is a future covenant with MANY (most likely many nations).

The abrahamic covenant is for ALL (in you shall ALL the nations) except concerning the land. And the mosaic is with one (Israel) nation.

Many are called but few are chosen.

Many = Polys (I wonder if the Septuagint confirms this?)

In Jesus' time, in his own words:

Many Jews are called Israelites, (called to be in the Church), but few actually are Israelites, (eklektos - elect= The Church)

There seems to be no problem with the many here.

 

[iamsoandso]

they did it for almost 40 years after his death, So what would make it any different?

Everyone seems to try to resolve the issue and focus on the temple from the time the decree is set forth but, is it an decree to restore the "temple" or "Jerusalem"? If it is to restore the temple then restore as used in Daniel 9:25 is to return/turn back as in strongs #7725 so if it is "restored" then the first temple(Solomon) is the one spoken of and there is no second temple as we use the term when referring to the one built after the 70 years of bondage in Babylon. But which is it anyway is it measured from the decree to restore a "temple" or is it measured from the decree to restore "Jerusalem"? The scriptures say "Jerusalem".

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Does not prove that it is STILL not FUTURE covenant.

it did not occure in 70 AD no matter what.

But this to me is lack of belief. When God promises to do something, he does it.

Jeremiah 11

7 For I earnestly protested unto your fathers in the day that I brought them up out of the land of Egypt, even unto this day, rising early and protesting, saying, Obey my voice.
8 Yet they obeyed not, nor inclined their ear, but walked every one in the imagination of their evil heart: therefore I will bring upon them all the words of this covenant, which I commanded them to do: but they did them not.

The punishment of Judah and Jerusalem was proclaimed by Jeremiah. Daniel picked up where Jeremiah left off, after 70 years in Babylon. The covenant here is clearly the Mosaic Covenant, as the matter starts on the day they came out of Egypt. The conclusion is that God promises to enforce the Mosaic Covenant, with all its attendant punishments for disobedience.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Everyone seems to try to resolve the issue and focus on the temple from the time the decree is set forth but, is it an decree to restore the "temple" or "Jerusalem"? If it is to restore the temple then restore as used in Daniel 9:25 is to return/turn back as in strongs #7725 so if it is "restored" then the first temple(Solomon) is the one spoken of and there is no second temple as we use the term when referring to the one built after the 70 years of bondage in Babylon. But which is it anyway is it measured from the decree to restore a "temple" or is it measured from the decree to restore "Jerusalem"? The scriptures say "Jerusalem".

the restore in 9: 25. is to restore the city. nothing to do with any temple.