Tough on love

[Galatea]

Actually a lot of natural sex is healthy.

Sure, within the context of marriage. STDs are generally contracted by people who are going outside the confines of marriage. I don't know about men, but I remember learning in University (not a Christian university, by the way- a very secular one) that women who are promiscuous report higher levels of depression and attempted suicide.

 

[MrMoo]

Sure, within the context of marriage. STDs are generally contracted by people who are going outside the confines of marriage. I don't know about men, but I remember learning in University (not a Christian university, by the way- a very secular one) that women who are promiscuous report higher levels of depression and attempted suicide.

Loving someone is restricted to a contex, whos?

Gods, duh!

 

[Galatea]

Loving someone is restricted to a contex, whos?

Gods, duh!

Here's some scientific information about the negative effects of promiscuity on your health. So it is not only my opinion, or the Bible's opinion.

Is There a Price to Pay for Promiscuity? - Longevity Center - Everyday Health

 

[Blain]

Why was Jesus so tough about sexual edict? He preached about sex, when he himself never experienced a sexual relationship.

Sex in itself is not a sin God created humans to have those urges for a reason it's only immoral sex that he does not like.

 

[Chris1975]

It wasn't a choice.

Care to elaborate?

 

[MrMoo]

Here's some scientific information about the negative effects of promiscuity on your health. So it is not only my opinion, or the Bible's opinion.

Is There a Price to Pay for Promiscuity? - Longevity Center - Everyday Health

Promiscuity, I never mentioned that as a viable option in a relationship.

I was talking about the average couple having sex, before marriage.

 

[MrMoo]

Care to elaborate?

Yeah I guess, I didn't want to leave God. I couldn't cope without my faith in him, but it was the cold hand of reason that kept slapping me the more I clinged to God.

 

[Chris1975]

Yeah I guess, I didn't want to leave God. I couldn't cope without my faith in him, but it was the cold hand of reason that kept slapping me the more I clinged to God.

OK. And what were the top 2 -3 reasons slapping you as you say? What was your biggest doubts?

 

[seoulsearch]

How is doing something nature intends us to no (Programs us to do) sinful?
Did your God make us in a way that we would desire sex regularly, but deny us this privileged unless we dress in silly garb, say silly words, while other silly people stare at us.

I've often read the argument that what's "natural" surely can't be bad for us and we should be able to indulge in it as freely as we want.

And then I saw a counterpoint that said, "Poison ivy is 'natural' too... So why is it that you don't go around freely rolling around in it freely?"

God makes a lot of things that seem "natural" to us, but puts guidelines around them due to His Sovereignty, and for our own good. Nearly everything comes with guidelines.

Eating is "natural" too, but if you don't follow certain guidelines for it, it can surely kill you.

It all boils down to whether or not one will obey God, and in the end, He's the only one you have to answer to, not us. Believe me, I went to Christian schools from ages 5-18. NO ONE tries to argue their way around God's rules in order to justify unmarried sex more than a bunch of hormone-laden, rebellious teenagers at a Christian school. I've heard the case for "fornication justification" argued every which way there is.

But after all is said and done, God will be the only one you'll have to worry about justifying your answers to.

P.S. If sex outside of two people married to each other is "perfectly natural" and ok, are you then perfectly comfortable with the idea of someone having sex with your future wife? Because if you open the door to sex outside of marriage, you're also giving anyone else out there permission to sleep with your wife.

I knew someone once who truly believed that only someone who was married and having sex with someone other than their marriage partner was guilty of sexual sin... and therefore, if they chose to sleep with a married person, they, being unmarried, were not sinning, but the married person they slept with was.

I personally believe that this is one of the reasons God put the boundaries on sex that He has--because otherwise, anyone, anytime, and under any circumstance, is game. Including the person you're married to. (I realize people already override this as it is, but this is not what God originally intended.)

 

[Depleted]

Do I care? Yes, indeed I do. Yeah I walked away only 1-2 years ago not 18.

Anyway get that scripture.

Actually, on your first post you did say 18 years.

Why did you walk away? And what/who did you walk away from?

 

[seoulsearch]

(Sorry about the typos... Unfortunately, I was too late for the edit.)

 

[Blain]

Yeah I guess, I didn't want to leave God. I couldn't cope without my faith in him, but it was the cold hand of reason that kept slapping me the more I clinged to God.

You know being a Christian is not the same as intellectual suicide, I myself am very into science especially anything having to do with outer space I also very much enjoy psychology I like to study how the mind works and what makes people tick it's very fascinating.

Also common sense is needed even as a Christian, for instance if you talk to people who have dreams and visions one thing a lot of them fail to consider is how the brain works in dreams and visions, dreams can be influenced by something we eat or what we think about a lot or a movie we watched and a lot of times a dream is just a dream, visions can easily just be our own imaginations or some other thing and people who think they hear the voice of God often times mistake this voice as their own inner voice as well not to mention how a lack of correct vitamins or a lack of water can affect these things as well.

Without reason or logic no one would ever take these things into account

 

[resurrection33]

Why was Jesus so tough about sexual edict? He preached about sex, when he himself never experienced a sexual relationship.

Immoral sex destroys our lives. Therefore Jesus told us not to participate in that activity. He wants what's best for us.

 

[resurrection33]

Why was Jesus so tough about sexual edict? He preached about sex, when he himself never experienced a sexual relationship.

If you think love and lust are the same thing, you are confused.

 

[MrMoo]

I've often read the argument that what's "natural" surely can't be bad for us and we should be able to indulge in it as freely as we want.

And then I saw a counterpoint that said, "Poison ivy is 'natural' too... So why is it that you don't go around freely rolling around in it freely?"

God makes a lot of things that seem "natural" to us, but puts guidelines around them due to His Sovereignty, and for our own good. Nearly everything comes with guidelines.

Eating is "natural" too, but if you don't follow certain guidelines for it, it can surely kill you.

It all boils down to whether or not one will obey God, and in the end, He's the only one you have to answer to, not us. Believe me, I went to Christian schools from ages 5-18. NO ONE tries to argue their way around God's rules in order to justify unmarried sex more than a bunch of hormone-laden, rebellious teenagers at a Christian school. I've heard the case for "fornication justification" argued every which way there is.

But after all is said and done, God will be the only one you'll have to worry about justifying your answers to.

P.S. If sex outside of two people married to each other is "perfectly natural" and ok, are you then perfectly comfortable with the idea of someone having sex with your future wife? Because if you open the door to sex outside of marriage, you're also giving anyone else out there permission to sleep with your wife.

I knew someone once who truly believed that only someone who was married and having sex with someone other than their marriage partner was guilty of sexual sin... and therefore, if they chose to sleep with a married person, they, being unmarried, were not sinning, but the married person they slept with was.

I personally believe that this is one of the reasons God put the boundaries on sex that He has--because otherwise, anyone, anytime, and under any circumstance, is game. Including the person you're married to. (I realize people already override this as it is, but this is not what God originally intended.)

So why did God endorse multiple partnerships for men, if he knew it is unhealthy.

I don't get that rolling around in poison ivy thing. Doesn't poison reproduce without being married in a church?

 

[seoulsearch]

So why did God endorse multiple partnerships for men, if he knew it is unhealthy.

I don't get that rolling around in poison ivy thing. Doesn't poison reproduce without being married in a church?

I could be wrong about this, but I've read that just because something is in the Bible, it doesn't mean that God approved of or endorsed it, but rather, men took up and adopted the culture and practices around them.

There are plenty of things mentioned in the Bible that God neither established nor encouraged, and polygamy is one of them.

As for the poison ivy, it's an answer to your statement that there shouldn't be restrictions on what is seen as "natural".

"Natural" things, if not tempered with wisdom and God's guidance, come back to poison and kill us.

 

[MrMoo]

OK. And what were the top 2 -3 reasons slapping you as you say? What was your biggest doubts?

No one can prove the existence of a specific God (No one)

Christians.

I get worse when I'm believing.

There you go that's 3

 

[seoulsearch]

So why did God endorse multiple partnerships for men, if he knew it is unhealthy.

I don't get that rolling around in poison ivy thing. Doesn't poison reproduce without being married in a church?

I could be wrong about this, but I've read that just because something is in the Bible, it doesn't mean that God approved of or endorsed it, but rather, men took up and adopted the culture and practices around them.

There are plenty of things mentioned in the Bible that God neither established nor encouraged, and polygamy is one of them.

As for the poison ivy, it's an answer to your statement that there shouldn't be restrictions on what is seen as "natural".

"Natural" things, if not tempered with wisdom and God's guidance, come back to poison and kill us.

P.S. I've also seen it argued many times that polygamy is Biblical because it's in the Bible and all the "bigwigs" participated in it--Abraham, David, Jacob, Solomon, etc.

One interesting thing is that, while God did not condone such behavior, He did make it a requirement that men were to provide for their wives and children, and when a man took on another wife, his provision for the others was not to decrease because of it.

For those who argue that polygamy is Biblical, do they even consider that at the very least, they would be required to provide for each and every person they want to "marry"?

I've been single a long time, and I hear people complaining about shelling out so much as for someone else's dinner.

Just imagine how much they would fuss and holler if they had to actually provide for an entire herd of spouses.

P.P.S. Just saw your post, and you're right. It all boils down to what a person chooses to believe.

I hope this isn't offensive to you, but God bless, and I wish you the best in your search for Something to Believe In.

 

[BillG]

No one can prove the existence of a specific God (No one)

Christians.

I get worse when I'm believing.

There you go that's 3

Hi MrMoo.

glad to meet you.

Can I As what you mean by "I get worse when I'm believing"

What gets worse, in what way and why do you think it gets worse?

Hope you don't me mind me asking.

Bill

 

[notmyown]

No one can prove the existence of a specific God (No one)

Christians.

I get worse when I'm believing.

There you go that's 3

that's right, i think. when the Gospel is shared, if the Spirit doesn't open eyes and ears and grant a new heart, no amount of "convincing" or proof is enough.

may i ask in what way you get worse?