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God gives directions TO men who chose to marry more than one wife, because they chose to do that.
He did not, however, COMMAND them to marry multiple wives.
Big difference.
The Old Testament is filled with laws and commands God gave that were often due to the hardness of human hearts and their insistence for running after sin, not because God told them to do what they chose to do.
It was much like God making clothing out of animal skins for Adam and Eve after The Fall.
God was caring for them in the aftermath of their sin, but in no way was He endorsing the fact that they sinned.
P.S. If you can give me the verse in which God actually commands men to marry multiple wives, I will be more than happy to reverse my stance on this. And, I'll have definitely learned something I didn't know before as well.
He did not, however, COMMAND them to marry multiple wives.
Big difference.
The Old Testament is filled with laws and commands God gave that were often due to the hardness of human hearts and their insistence for running after sin, not because God told them to do what they chose to do.
It was much like God making clothing out of animal skins for Adam and Eve after The Fall.
God was caring for them in the aftermath of their sin, but in no way was He endorsing the fact that they sinned.
P.S. If you can give me the verse in which God actually commands men to marry multiple wives, I will be more than happy to reverse my stance on this. And, I'll have definitely learned something I didn't know before as well.
It's like my previous example of Adam and Eve.
Once man sinned, God gave them guidelines for living with the consequences.
I'm sure others will have a better answer than I do for this, but no, Jesus didn't suddenly turn up and decree that polygamy was wrong.
It was wrong all along, and these men knew that, but went their own way instead.
Have you read the article that BillG was kind enough to post?
I'm headed over there now to check it out for myself.
Once man sinned, God gave them guidelines for living with the consequences.
I'm sure others will have a better answer than I do for this, but no, Jesus didn't suddenly turn up and decree that polygamy was wrong.
It was wrong all along, and these men knew that, but went their own way instead.
Have you read the article that BillG was kind enough to post?
I'm headed over there now to check it out for myself.
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No God is against multiple marriages and slavery.
He was against earthly kings too,just people demanded all three.
God says, okay if you want it....this is what will happen and this is how to keep it from failing miserably.
God had a year of Jubilee every 7 years all slaves were to be set free.
Mankind tends to ignore many of God's commandments.
Do you have a verse where God commands people to take mulitiple wives? I know of one where God predicts that women will want to marry the same man but not that God wills it.
He was against earthly kings too,just people demanded all three.
God says, okay if you want it....this is what will happen and this is how to keep it from failing miserably.
God had a year of Jubilee every 7 years all slaves were to be set free.
Mankind tends to ignore many of God's commandments.
Do you have a verse where God commands people to take mulitiple wives? I know of one where God predicts that women will want to marry the same man but not that God wills it.
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1 Samuel 8New King James Version (NKJV)
4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah, 5 and said to him, “Look, you are old, and your sons do not walk in your ways. Now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.”
6 But the thing displeased Samuel when they said, “Give us a king to judge us.” So Samuel prayed to the Lord. 7 And the Lord said to Samuel, “Heed the voice of the people in all that they say to you; for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me, that I should not reign over them. 8 According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt, even to this day—with which they have forsaken Me and served other gods—so they are doing to you also. 9 Now therefore, heed their voice. However, you shall solemnly forewarn them, and show them the behavior of the king who will reign over them.”
10 So Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who asked him for a king. 11 And he said, “This will be the behavior of the king who will reign over you: He will take your sons and appoint them for his own chariots and to be his horsemen, and some will run before his chariots. 12 He will appoint captains over his thousands and captains over his fifties, will set some to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and some to make his weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers, cooks, and bakers. 14 And he will take the best of your fields, your vineyards, and your olive groves, and give them to his servants. 15 He will take a tenth of your grain and your vintage, and give it to his officers and servants. 16 And he will take your male servants, your female servants, your finest young men,[a] and your donkeys, and put them to his work. 17 He will take a tenth of your sheep. And you will be his servants. 18 And you will cry out in that day because of your king whom you have chosen for yourselves, and the Lord will not hear you in that day.”
19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, “No, but we will have a king over us, 20 that we also may be like all the nations, and that our king may judge us and go out before us and fight our battles.”
21 And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he repeated them in the hearing of the Lord. 22 So the Lord said to Samuel, “Heed their voice, and make them a king.”
4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah, 5 and said to him, “Look, you are old, and your sons do not walk in your ways. Now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.”
6 But the thing displeased Samuel when they said, “Give us a king to judge us.” So Samuel prayed to the Lord. 7 And the Lord said to Samuel, “Heed the voice of the people in all that they say to you; for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me, that I should not reign over them. 8 According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt, even to this day—with which they have forsaken Me and served other gods—so they are doing to you also. 9 Now therefore, heed their voice. However, you shall solemnly forewarn them, and show them the behavior of the king who will reign over them.”
10 So Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who asked him for a king. 11 And he said, “This will be the behavior of the king who will reign over you: He will take your sons and appoint them for his own chariots and to be his horsemen, and some will run before his chariots. 12 He will appoint captains over his thousands and captains over his fifties, will set some to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and some to make his weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers, cooks, and bakers. 14 And he will take the best of your fields, your vineyards, and your olive groves, and give them to his servants. 15 He will take a tenth of your grain and your vintage, and give it to his officers and servants. 16 And he will take your male servants, your female servants, your finest young men,[a] and your donkeys, and put them to his work. 17 He will take a tenth of your sheep. And you will be his servants. 18 And you will cry out in that day because of your king whom you have chosen for yourselves, and the Lord will not hear you in that day.”
19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, “No, but we will have a king over us, 20 that we also may be like all the nations, and that our king may judge us and go out before us and fight our battles.”
21 And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he repeated them in the hearing of the Lord. 22 So the Lord said to Samuel, “Heed their voice, and make them a king.”
I would go with what you said.
I think possibly the bigger issue was
Matthew 19:1-10
Marriage and Divorce
Now it came to pass, when Jesus had finished these sayings, that He departed from Galilee and came to the region of Judea beyond the Jordan. And great multitudes followed Him, and He healed them there.
The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?”
And He answered and said to them,
“Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?
So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
They said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?”
He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”
His disciples said to Him, “If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry.”
I think possibly the bigger issue was
Matthew 19:1-10
Marriage and Divorce
Now it came to pass, when Jesus had finished these sayings, that He departed from Galilee and came to the region of Judea beyond the Jordan. And great multitudes followed Him, and He healed them there.
The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?”
And He answered and said to them,
“Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?
So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
They said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?”
He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”
His disciples said to Him, “If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry.”
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The first one is why you avoid apologetics. (So you can't be proven wrong.)
Second one is just plain silly. A mere excuse.
The third one isn't the real picture. The real picture is you're always worse than you think. The problem with being a believer is God starts showing you how bad you are before fixing you.
(Added what you said twice so you can see how it relates.)
Second one is just plain silly. A mere excuse.
The third one isn't the real picture. The real picture is you're always worse than you think. The problem with being a believer is God starts showing you how bad you are before fixing you.
(Added what you said twice so you can see how it relates.)