What about the Roman Catholic religion and her daughters?

[loveschild]

That's the thing, we wouldn't have an issue if you spoke the truth. But you haven't. You are either unwittingly reprinting lies about the Catholic Church or doing it on purpose. Either way it's still something quite sad.

It's your choice to read a Catholic bible which took the true bible and twisted it all up. You are the one with lies. You are the one in a false church. Like I said do what you please. Worship Mary as you proclaim your love for Jesus. I can't stop you neither can Jesus. So as I said before if you don't like my post don't read them.

 

[dscherck]

It's your choice to read a Catholic bible which took the true bible and twisted it all up. You are the one with lies. You are the one in a false church. Like I said do what you please. Worship Mary as you proclaim your love for Jesus. I can't stop you neither can Jesus. So as I said before if you don't like my post don't read them.

The ONLY difference between a Catholic and Protestant bible is that we recognize an additional 7 books as being part of Scripture. And I do my best to answer all questions about Catholic doctrine from the 66 books recognized as Scripture by all Protestants. In other words.... I USE THE SAME BIBLE YOU DO. Would you prefer I quote from a KJV? An NIV? A RSV? What edition of the Bible do I have to use and quote from for you to realize this?

 

[loveschild]

Agreed there are quite a few unsubstantiated claims and half truths in the article, like.

"Buy or earn as many indulgences as possible so as to avoid Purgatory."

"According to the Catholic church you must do all of the following in order to receive salvation"

"The Roman Catholic church was founded around 325 AD... At that time, they changed the baptism taught by Jesus and His apostles, including Peter, and they indoctrinated a false concept called the "trinity" that had been invented around 200 AD but was never taught by Jesus or the Apostles, or taught anywhere in the bible. They even attempt to deify the mother of Jesus."

"They made it a crime punishable by death to attempt to actually read the bible for yourself and/or contradict the Roman Catholic church during the Dark Ages, and they have killed an estimated 68 million Christians over the years for refusing to bow to the false doctrine of the Roman Catholic church."

And thats just some of them.

It's a part of our history. You can learn of it. Many people were murdered for putting the bible in language people could read. They were murdered for saying we don't need to go to a priest to read the word to us. They were murdered cause the Catholics wanted no one to know to we can go to throne o grace our own selves and we don't need no Cathloc to talk to God. If you don't know what your talking about you should study.

 

[dscherck]

Considering that the entire population of Europe during the medieval times was about.... 70-100million total, I find it hard to believe that 68 million people were killed by Catholics during said time without having it noticed by most modern historians. Considering that the Black Plague killed about 25million people during that time period, it's inconceivable that such a large number of deaths caused by one religious/political entity would escape such notice from modern historians. So with these facts in mind, how can you honestly expect people to believe your claims about the Catholic Church when common sense as well as simple historical records indicates your initial source is filled with errors?

 

[AnandaHya]

It's a part of our history. You can learn of it. Many people were murdered for putting the bible in language people could read. They were murdered for saying we don't need to go to a priest to read the word to us. They were murdered cause the Catholics wanted no one to know to we can go to throne o grace our own selves and we don't need no Cathloc to talk to God. If you don't know what your talking about you should study.

No you don't need the pope or a Catholic person or another Christian person to speak with God all you need is Jesus and the Holy Spirit in your heart.

However that does not mean there are not Catholics who are brethren who also speak with God. Who worship Jesus in truth and give their heart, body and souls to the Lord. God places people in all walks of life, in all denominations of churches and all over the world to shine a light in the darkness. Just as Satan has his minions inside all of the same places trying to destroy God's good works and ministry with Lies and hatred and intolerance.

We should watch in our own minds the fruits of the spirit grow and the fruits of the flesh that need to be uprooted from our lives and tossed into the fire. We need to be consumed with God's light and not allow darkness to use us as vessels of hate but instead be vessels of God's love and truth. blanket statements just covers up the truth and the lies and calls them by the same name. we are not called to cover people with blanket condemnation but to rightly divide between truth and lies and to bless and pray for all people that they may repent and know God.

Galatians 5
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[c] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[d] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

 

[SantoSubito]

It's a part of our history. You can learn of it. Many people were murdered for putting the bible in language people could read. They were murdered for saying we don't need to go to a priest to read the word to us. They were murdered cause the Catholics wanted no one to know to we can go to throne o grace our own selves and we don't need no Cathloc to talk to God. If you don't know what your talking about you should study.

You are aware that partial translations of the Old and New Testament into Old English and other languages were done by priests, bishops, and sometimes archbishops of the Catholic Church, right? There were even Bibles put in the churches that could afford them so that the people that could read would have a Bible to read. We were putting the Bible into the language of the common people long before protestants were around, thats what the Vulgate was for.

The Pope at that time specifically had it translated into the "vulgar" Latin tongue instead of "formal" Latin so that the people could better understand it.

But if I don't know what i'm talking about then by all means provide me with sources. I'm very familiar with the medieval and Renaissance periods and I've read every history book about those periods I could get my hands on since I was 10. But in all my reading I have never seen a book that backs up your claims.

 

[Warrior44]

it made me sad, I opened the thread hoping to learn more about the Catholic church. oh well back to my own research. you guys have any good sermons about church history I could listen to?

the title talked about the Catholic church which most Christians admit to be the oldest existing church and can trace back to the time of the apostles. her daughters would be the other Christians churchs. all are to be married to Christ.......

well so that others who open this thread leave with a little bit of truth I'll post some scripture for my brethren to read. lol

Matthew 16:18
And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

Matthew 18:17
And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.

Acts 20:28
Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.

Romans 16:16
Greet one another with a holy kiss. The churches of Christ greet you.

1 Corinthians 7:17
[ Live as You Are Called ] But as God has distributed to each one, as the Lord has called each one, so let him walk. And so I ordain in all the churches.

1 Corinthians 12:28
And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.

1 Corinthians 14:12
Even so you, since you are zealous for spiritual gifts, let it be for the edification of the church that you seek to excel.

Ephesians 1:20-23
New King James Version (NKJV)
20 which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.
22 And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

You should read "Rome Sweet Home" by Scott Hahn. It is the conversion story of a brilliant professor at the Franciscan University of Steubenville. It was by reason and by studying Church history that he came to the Catholic Church. Its a little deep but a great resource. God bless you in your studies.

 

[Scotth1960]

What about the Roman Catholic religion and her daughters?
I asked myself this question when I learned who the Great Whore was (See Chapter 7). What could possibly be so bad that a term like that is used to describe her?
And didn't the "daughters" (Protestant, Methodist, Lutheran, etc.) actually drop away from the Catholic church because they disagreed with the Vatican?
The Roman Catholic church was founded around 325 AD. They taught (falsely), and still do, that the Bishops of the church were "spiritual successors" to the original 12 apostles, in particular the Apostle Peter, and that they had the right to discern true or false doctrine. At that time, they changed the baptism taught by Jesus and His apostles, including Peter, and they indoctrinated a false concept called the "trinity" that had been invented around 200 AD but was never taught by Jesus or the Apostles, or taught anywhere in the bible. They even attempt to deify the mother of Jesus. It's true that Mary was blessed to carry and give birth to Jesus, but she was simply a Jewish woman, not a God. They made it a crime punishable by death to attempt to actually read the bible for yourself and/or contradict the Roman Catholic church during the Dark Ages, and they have killed an estimated 68 million Christians over the years for refusing to bow to the false doctrine of the Roman Catholic church.
The following is a quote from a man who was raised in the Catholic church but left the church as an adult to pursue the real Truth.
On the question of salvation; "Unfortunately most Roman Catholics really don't know for sure what Rome's answers are. Most have a vague idea of a place called 'Purgatory.' They wander through life with an unfounded belief that, if their 'good works' outweigh their 'sins' then they get a ticket to heaven. Others believe that just being a Roman Catholic is all that is required to get to Heaven. Well, not directly to Heaven, but by way of an untold period of time in unmentionable pain and suffering in Purgatory. Its not a pretty picture of salvation. Not at all. One of the saddest laments of a priest friend (Novus Ordo type) is that Catholics no longer know their own faith!"
Let's take a look at what the Catholic believer has to do today in order to "receive" salvation.
The Vatican teaches that salvation is through the church.
According to the Catholic church you must do all of the following in order to receive salvation:

• Confess your sins to a Roman Catholic priest.
• "Receive" all appropriate Roman Catholic sacraments.
• Believe that Grace comes only via Rome's sacraments, and only through Mary.
• Buy or earn as many indulgences as possible so as to avoid Purgatory.
• Believe that Grace can only be distributed to you by Mary.
• Attend the Roman Catholic Mass on all Sundays and holy days.
• Obey all of Rome's rules (i.e., precepts of the Church).
• Be a member of the Roman Catholic Church.
• Submit yourself to the Pope.

The bible teaches that you must believe in Jesus and obey the Gospel for salvation, and that it's by the grace of God, not Mary or Rome, that we are saved. All of the above only make you subservient to the Roman Catholic church and do not ensure your place with God at all.
But, the Roman Catholic leaders today are even saying that you don’t really need to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved!
Article #841 of the Catechism says: "The Church's relationship with the Muslims. 'The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.'" This means that the Catholic church believes that the Muslims will be saved just like anyone else even though Muslims don't believe in Jesus, and that they worship the same God that we all do even though Allah was originally a pagan moon god.
Muslims say you don’t need to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved! Muslims will admit that Jesus Christ was a true prophet, but deny that He was the Messiah (although some Western Muslims will say He was anointed), they will deny that He was God manifested in the flesh as of the Son of God (John 1:14), and they will deny that He died on the cross and rose again. That belief cannot be truth because Jesus Christ himself said He was the Messiah! John 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. That would make Him a false prophet according to the Muslim beliefs! And, Jesus Christ himself said we have to believe in Him! John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. We absolutely must believe that Jesus Christ was manifest in the flesh, was crucified for our sins and rose again. This is the gospel! Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. There is no salvation in any other name but Jesus! Not Mohammed, not Buddha; no other name...
Does the Catholic leadership read the same bible I do??? Sure doesn't look like it! No wonder God is angry with her...

To be fair, there is still much that is good and right in both Roman Catholicism and in Protestantism in its various guises (Anglicanism, Lutheranism, Presbyterianism, Methodism, Pentecostalism, Baptist beliefs). They all believe in the Holy Trinity. Some of them just add the error of "Filioque", and it is a bad error; but other than that, their doctrine of the Trinity is basically sound. Some don't have this error of Filioque, because, the Baptists and the Assemblies of God don't use the Nicene Creed. ISTM.
The original Nicene Creed did not say "FILIOQUE". Papal Rome added that in 1014 AD.
That is against John 15:26, as I have said many times before. God bless you.
Jesus is the One Who saves, together with the Father and with the Holy Spirit. There is indeed no other name than the name of Jesus given under heaven whereby we must be saved. Only the name of Jesus will make our prayers sound. We must obey Him. We must repent and believe the Gospel. God loves us in Christ Jesus (John 3:16).

 

[Scotth1960]

What about the Roman Catholic religion and her daughters?
I asked myself this question when I learned who the Great Whore was (See Chapter 7). What could possibly be so bad that a term like that is used to describe her?
And didn't the "daughters" (Protestant, Methodist, Lutheran, etc.) actually drop away from the Catholic church because they disagreed with the Vatican?
The Roman Catholic church was founded around 325 AD. They taught (falsely), and still do, that the Bishops of the church were "spiritual successors" to the original 12 apostles, in particular the Apostle Peter, and that they had the right to discern true or false doctrine. At that time, they changed the baptism taught by Jesus and His apostles, including Peter, and they indoctrinated a false concept called the "trinity" that had been invented around 200 AD but was never taught by Jesus or the Apostles, or taught anywhere in the bible. They even attempt to deify the mother of Jesus. It's true that Mary was blessed to carry and give birth to Jesus, but she was simply a Jewish woman, not a God. They made it a crime punishable by death to attempt to actually read the bible for yourself and/or contradict the Roman Catholic church during the Dark Ages, and they have killed an estimated 68 million Christians over the years for refusing to bow to the false doctrine of the Roman Catholic church.
The following is a quote from a man who was raised in the Catholic church but left the church as an adult to pursue the real Truth.
On the question of salvation; "Unfortunately most Roman Catholics really don't know for sure what Rome's answers are. Most have a vague idea of a place called 'Purgatory.' They wander through life with an unfounded belief that, if their 'good works' outweigh their 'sins' then they get a ticket to heaven. Others believe that just being a Roman Catholic is all that is required to get to Heaven. Well, not directly to Heaven, but by way of an untold period of time in unmentionable pain and suffering in Purgatory. Its not a pretty picture of salvation. Not at all. One of the saddest laments of a priest friend (Novus Ordo type) is that Catholics no longer know their own faith!"
Let's take a look at what the Catholic believer has to do today in order to "receive" salvation.
The Vatican teaches that salvation is through the church.
According to the Catholic church you must do all of the following in order to receive salvation:

• Confess your sins to a Roman Catholic priest.
• "Receive" all appropriate Roman Catholic sacraments.
• Believe that Grace comes only via Rome's sacraments, and only through Mary.
• Buy or earn as many indulgences as possible so as to avoid Purgatory.
• Believe that Grace can only be distributed to you by Mary.
• Attend the Roman Catholic Mass on all Sundays and holy days.
• Obey all of Rome's rules (i.e., precepts of the Church).
• Be a member of the Roman Catholic Church.
• Submit yourself to the Pope.

The bible teaches that you must believe in Jesus and obey the Gospel for salvation, and that it's by the grace of God, not Mary or Rome, that we are saved. All of the above only make you subservient to the Roman Catholic church and do not ensure your place with God at all.
But, the Roman Catholic leaders today are even saying that you don’t really need to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved!
Article #841 of the Catechism says: "The Church's relationship with the Muslims. 'The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.'" This means that the Catholic church believes that the Muslims will be saved just like anyone else even though Muslims don't believe in Jesus, and that they worship the same God that we all do even though Allah was originally a pagan moon god.
Muslims say you don’t need to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved! Muslims will admit that Jesus Christ was a true prophet, but deny that He was the Messiah (although some Western Muslims will say He was anointed), they will deny that He was God manifested in the flesh as of the Son of God (John 1:14), and they will deny that He died on the cross and rose again. That belief cannot be truth because Jesus Christ himself said He was the Messiah! John 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. That would make Him a false prophet according to the Muslim beliefs! And, Jesus Christ himself said we have to believe in Him! John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. We absolutely must believe that Jesus Christ was manifest in the flesh, was crucified for our sins and rose again. This is the gospel! Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. There is no salvation in any other name but Jesus! Not Mohammed, not Buddha; no other name...
Does the Catholic leadership read the same bible I do??? Sure doesn't look like it! No wonder God is angry with her...

I think we should move beyond the negatives.
What do all Christians: Reformed Calvinist, Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Methodist, Anglican, Lutheran, Baptist, Pentecostal, and so on, have in common:

1. The Lord's Prayer
2. The Holy Trinity
3. The Ten Commandments
4. Belief in Jesus Christ, True God and true man, One Person in two natures, Divine and human
5. The beatitudes and the Sermon on the Mount, The Blessed are ... by Jesus Christ our Lord
6. Salvation by the mercy of God alone, and not by our own righteousness (Titus 3)
All Christians believe these things.
That's true whether or not one is Calvinist, Orthodox, Catholic, Anglican, Methodist, Lutheran, whatever! God bless all of them. God save all Christians.

 

[SantoSubito]

I think we should move beyond the negatives.
What do all Christians: Reformed Calvinist, Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Methodist, Anglican, Lutheran, Baptist, Pentecostal, and so on, have in common:

1. The Lord's Prayer
2. The Holy Trinity
3. The Ten Commandments
4. Belief in Jesus Christ, True God and true man, One Person in two natures, Divine and human
5. The beatitudes and the Sermon on the Mount, The Blessed are ... by Jesus Christ our Lord
6. Salvation by the mercy of God alone, and not by our own righteousness (Titus 3)
All Christians believe these things.
That's true whether or not one is Calvinist, Orthodox, Catholic, Anglican, Methodist, Lutheran, whatever! God bless all of them. God save all Christians.

This is true, and I do hope that one day the Eastern Orthodox and Catholic Churches can reunite. I doubt it will happen, but I can hope.

 

[loveschild]

most of that stuff is true, raised catholic for 27 years, no longer, but there is some crazy stuff in there, my grandmother still puts Marys name above Christ, this article is pretty cool, one of many out there but of course there also many out there that try to refute it so whatever

We should note that the word petros could mean rock in Homer's time but in the time of the Bible, the word petros is always used to indicate "a piece or fragment of a rock such as a man might throw," as Zodhiates' Complete Wordstudy Dictionary New Testament explains, "Distinguished from the masculine petros is that petra is a mass of rock while petros is a detached stone or boulder, a stone that might be thrown or easily moved."

In the Bible the word petros does not occur besides the name Peter. The word petra, meaning mountain of a rock, is used about 15 times, and an additional 4 times in the construct

(petrodes), meaning rocky places, or literally rocky shapes (Mark 4:5, Matthew 13:5).

A petra is used to build houses in and on (Matthew 7:24, Luke 6:48) or hew sepulchers in (Matthew 27:51, Mark 15:46). It's also used to metaphorize someone's firmness or strength; the Septuagint uses it in 2 Samuel 22:2 in the familiar phrase "The Lord is my petra and my fortress." Paul refers to the Meribah event in 1 Corinthians 10:4, and compares Christ to the petra from which the waters flowed (Exodus 17:6).

Petra denotes a firm foundation and as such it serves as a metaphor for faith in Jesus Christ. Petros denotes a wobbly flint that won't supply any footing and can be tossed away at will. The most remarkable conjunction of these two words petros and petra is in the famous scene of Matthew 16:13-20:

In Matthew 16:18 Jesus asks the disciples what they think of Him. The men rattle off a list of heroes but only Peter submits that Jesus is the Son of the Living God. Jesus responds by saying that he couldn't have obtained that insight from any human teacher, or even have figured it out by himself, but that it was given to him by God. And then He says to Peter: You are petros (a small wobbly and easily movable stone), but on that petra (the unmovable faith that is not from man but from God) I'm going to build My church.

Just how wobbly and easily movable that stone actually is, Peter readily demonstrates by forwarding the daftest proposals, by jumping overboard to walk on water while his faith remains in the boat, and ultimately, by denying that he was ever associated with Jesus after His arrest.

The Bible is unique in many ways but also because there's not a single perfect person in it. If salvation had been up to any one of the major players of the Bible, or even up to ourselves, we would be in deep trouble. But with that great gift of God, the gift upon which Jesus builds His church and grafts His new creation, we can wake up each day and marvel at our fortune to be able to believe so great a promise.

The name Petra means Rock and symbolizes stability. The name Peter means Stone and symbolizes instability.

Standing firm on the rock my God. Most of the people I know used to be Catholics.

 

[SarahYeah]

Do you even listen to your own arguments? On one side, you state that the Catholic church is wrong for teaching that only Catholics are saved :

“The Vatican teaches that salvation is through the church.”

Then you go on to list all the Catholic restrictions to salvation. However, in the very next paragraph, you completely contradict yourself. You quote the Catholic teaching that those outside of the church can be saved:

“But, the Roman Catholic leaders today are even saying that you don’t really need to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved!”

You go on to show how Catholics believe Muslims can go to Heaven.


Well, which is it?

The truth is that you don’t know what you are preaching. You’ve learned a few arguments against the church, along with scriptural references that seem to back them up, and you accepted them as truth, with no debate and no study. Now you are teaching others and pretending to be an expert on Catholic teaching. This is a very dangerous practice.

It’s clear from your own contradictions that you really haven’t put much thought into your own argument, so I doubt you’ve considered the Catholic responses to them.

I suggest you stop your anti-Catholic rhetoric and go back to study your arguments from a Catholic perspective (www.Catholic.com would be a good place to start). At least then, even if you don’t change your thinking about the Catholic church, your arguments may be worth considering.

 

[kujo313]

That's fine. Just wish you'd stop posting outright lies about the Catholic Church.

Lies? The truth of the RCC can be presented from the RCCs own website and you'll still deny it. You believe in it what you want to and ignore some facts.

Reminder: this is CHRISTIAN Chat. There is a CATHOLIC Chat where you can chat with others of your own belief. Obviously, this is not a catholic chat.

If we was in catholic chat and we didn't agree, you'd probably tell us to leave or don't read certain threads.

Back at you!

 

[AnandaHya]

I consider Catholic's Christians. Especially if they believe and do the following:

Romans 10:8-10
New King James Version (NKJV)
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”[a](that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation

can you look into their hearts and say they are lying and don't believe that Jesus is their Lord and Savior with all their heart, soul, and mind?

 

[AnandaHya]

You should read "Rome Sweet Home" by Scott Hahn. It is the conversion story of a brilliant professor at the Franciscan University of Steubenville. It was by reason and by studying Church history that he came to the Catholic Church. Its a little deep but a great resource. God bless you in your studies.

thanks I have a deep respect for all people who seek the Lord and His truth no matter what denomination they attend. It is not about the outer trappings but the inward heart that seeks for God and to do His will so that His name might be glorified.

lol when I was younger I thought about joining a nunnery. lol but I wanted to have kids and you can't have that when your a nun. plus there are a lot a lies about the Catholic church that made me distrustful of it, but now I'm older and I know there are lies about every church that God has raised because Satan wants to tear all of them down.

In high school I thought about getting a medical degree and going into the missionary field. lol its funny how our plans change but how God still uses us to His glory.

 

[SantoSubito]

Lies? The truth of the RCC can be presented from the RCCs own website and you'll still deny it. You believe in it what you want to and ignore some facts.

Reminder: this is CHRISTIAN Chat. There is a CATHOLIC Chat where you can chat with others of your own belief. Obviously, this is not a catholic chat.

If we was in catholic chat and we didn't agree, you'd probably tell us to leave or don't read certain threads.

Back at you!

Well Christian is an extremely broad term, and theres nothing in the rules that says all Christians (except Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, and Assyrian Church of the East aka 4/5s of Christendom) is welcome. there is the "no promoting doctrines contrary to the bible" rule, but that is extremely subjective. Just because you may not consider us Christian most people do, it's pretty hard to accuse the oldest form of Christianity to be a cult and have very many people believe you. Heck, when most secular people think of Christianity they think of the Catholic Church.

 

[Scotth1960]

Considering that the entire population of Europe during the medieval times was about.... 70-100million total, I find it hard to believe that 68 million people were killed by Catholics during said time without having it noticed by most modern historians. Considering that the Black Plague killed about 25million people during that time period, it's inconceivable that such a large number of deaths caused by one religious/political entity would escape such notice from modern historians. So with these facts in mind, how can you honestly expect people to believe your claims about the Catholic Church when common sense as well as simple historical records indicates your initial source is filled with errors?

Dear dscherck,
If even one person was killed by either Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox Christians, it is one person too many. It doesn't matter what faith does it: it is wrong for all faiths to do it.
Here's the record, regardless of how many or "how few" were killed
16th century Catholics kill Protestants
16th century Protestants kill Catholics and other Protestants
17th century Russian Orthodox kill Old Believers
It doesn't matter how many people the Black Plague killed.
These killings were wrong.
We shouldn't try to justify the unjustifiable.
Take care.
Also wrong: the Crusades
The Inquisition
Also wrong: Islamic killing of Christians
It is not wrong if the state, separated from the church, engages in wars against Muslim terrorists. They clearly are in the wrong, and a defensive war is not wrong.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[Scotth1960]

Lies? The truth of the RCC can be presented from the RCCs own website and you'll still deny it. You believe in it what you want to and ignore some facts.

Reminder: this is CHRISTIAN Chat. There is a CATHOLIC Chat where you can chat with others of your own belief. Obviously, this is not a catholic chat.

If we was in catholic chat and we didn't agree, you'd probably tell us to leave or don't read certain threads.

Back at you!

Dear kujo313,
Of course the RCC claims to be the "pillar and ground of the truth" (1 Tim. 3:15).
If this is true, why does the RCC say "and the Son" (FILIOQUE), when our LORD Jesus Christ says "who proceeds from the Father", and He does NOT SAY "And the Son." This is a clear case of Roman Catholicism falsifying and "adding to" Scripture, saying something Jesus Christ did not say in John 15:26. The historic Orthodox Church is showing herself to be the true "pillar and ground of the truth" (1 Timothy 3:15) in this matter of the true and orthodox interpretation of John 15:26.
If the pope of Rome after 1014 AD were infallible, he never would have said "AND THE SON" (FILIOQUE), in defiance of Jesus Christ in John 15:26. That's the simple truth.
As Hans Kung says in his excellent book "The Catholic Church: A Short History", Modern Library, 2001, the RCC reads its doctrine of the Holy Spirit's procession not in the light of the NT, but in the light of Augustine of Hippo. Go figure! In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington

 

[Scotth1960]

mquote=Warrior44;487070]You should read "Rome Sweet Home" by Scott Hahn. It is the conversion story of a brilliant professor at the Franciscan University of Steubenville. It was by reason and by studying Church history that he came to the Catholic Church. Its a little deep but a great resource. God bless you in your studies.[/quote]
Dear Warrior44,
I have read conversion stories. I read John Michael Talbot's conversion story to the RCC. I have read conversion stories about Catholics and Protestants. The one conversion story that changed my doctrines the most (along with the Orthodox book, THE RUDDER, which God used to change my morals), was "Becoming Orthodox: A Journey to the Ancient Christian Faith", Revised and expanded edition, copyright 1992, Ben Lomond, CA: Conciliar Press, by Fr. Peter E. Gillquist. Fr. Gillquist's book is not "deep" at all, but simply minded, truthful, and friendly, and faithful to the Scriptures. It doesn't contain anything that isn't so. Take care. God bless you all. Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

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Dear dscherck,
If even one person was killed by either Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox Christians, it is one person too many. It doesn't matter what faith does it: it is wrong for all faiths to do it.
Here's the record, regardless of how many or "how few" were killed
16th century Catholics kill Protestants
16th century Protestants kill Catholics and other Protestants
17th century Russian Orthodox kill Old Believers
It doesn't matter how many people the Black Plague killed.
These killings were wrong.
We shouldn't try to justify the unjustifiable.
Take care.
Also wrong: the Crusades
The Inquisition
Also wrong: Islamic killing of Christians
It is not wrong if the state, separated from the church, engages in wars against Muslim terrorists. They clearly are in the wrong, and a defensive war is not wrong.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

It is indeed a grave wrong when anyone is killed unjustly. But is it also not wrong when a group of people are falsely charged with such grave crimes?