What about the Roman Catholic religion and her daughters?

kujo313 · Jul 11, 2011

Just because you claim to belong to the "oldest form of Christianity" doesn't make it closest to the truth. And just because you believe in Christ enough to be called "Christian" doesn't mean a thing. Muslims believe in Jesus but they have their own version of "truth".

It's a shame that the secular people think of the RCC as the "truth". The blind leading the blind.

Shyness · Jul 11, 2011

I believe loveschild needs to swallow her pride and quit her anti-catholic remarks. Obviously she knows nothing about the Catholic church and would rather be closed minded to those who's beliefs differ from her own.

Shyness · Jul 11, 2011

And I know one thing is from the author of this thread (loveschild). Just about everytime I have seen a post from her, it is almost always anti-catholic. Obviously she hates Catholics and those who do not share the same beliefs as she herself does and considers anybody who believes differently than she does as reprobates.

To the author of this post (loveschild): I believe you do not speak on behalf of God and I believe you need to be more humble rather than being a "know-it-all." I do believe God does indeed command us to love one another no matter what. I do pray that you will be more humble and open-minded to other people who do not share your beliefs.

loveschild · Jul 11, 2011

Shyness said:

Hi
I don't hate Catholics.
When ever I post anything about them is when they come here and start posting their Catholic crap. Mary the whole nine yards. Any time they do this I will intern start my post of the truth of this false religion thank you very much. Sooo if you see my post about this false church and it's lies a lot it's cause they come here a lot trying to ooze their lies.

So that's where we are. No if ans or butts about it. The same goes for when the Mormons come posting their crap or any other false religion.

dscherck · Jul 11, 2011

loveschild said:

What false religion? You've yet to actually address what Catholicism teaches. You only preached against an imaginary version of the Catholic Church.

AnandaHya · Jul 11, 2011

dscherck said:

change "catholic church" into "black people" and you get the same offensive hate crime propaganda.

Linda you say some useful things but Satan is blinding you in this area and you need to resist and rebuke him. do you remember this Bible verse? what I read so far from you concerning Catholics would be call "outbursts of wrath" If you think their teachings are False then combat them by showing what TRUE Christians teaching is.
not by repeating the slanderous lies others post about them.

Galatians 5
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[c] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[d] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

most of the people you know are disgruntle Catholics. I know some disgruntle ex-Christians and you know what they turned to? Wicca.

Just because people don't like something doesn't make them right. perhaps you should objectively examine the facts and actually talk to people about their faith instead of telling them they are all stupid delusional deceived fools? because that is how your words and attitude comes off as rather you do it intentionally or not your are being offensive and are in need of repentance.

but hey you probably will react in anger.

with that being said I still think you are a wonderful person and have a lot to offer but you need to focus your eyes on GOD and not be so concerned with worldly things like power, control and others.

What does GOD say about it all?

Galatians 5
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

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AnandaHya · Jul 11, 2011

ok if any catholics are willing lay out the basics of the Catholic faith for us and let us analyze it using the Bible and the Holy Spirit. I don't believe in getting things second hand from websites but I will post what the Vatican has and you guys can object and point out what is Biblical and what is NOT in an objective, courteous, and EDIFYING manner... here goes...

Catechism of the Catholic Church

"PROLOGUE

"FATHER,... this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent."1

"God our Saviour desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth."2

"There is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved"3 - than the name of JESUS."

I. The life of man - to know and love God

1 God, infinitely perfect and blessed in himself, in a plan of sheer goodness freely created man to make him share in his own blessed life. For this reason, at every time and in every place, God draws close to man. He calls man to seek him, to know him, to love him with all his strength. He calls together all men, scattered and divided by sin, into the unity of his family, the Church. To accomplish this, when the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son as Redeemer and Saviour. In his Son and through him, he invites men to become, in the Holy Spirit, his adopted children and thus heirs of his blessed life.

2 So that this call should resound throughout the world, Christ sent forth the apostles he had chosen, commissioning them to proclaim the gospel: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age."4 Strengthened by this mission, the apostles "went forth and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the message by the signs that attended it."5

3 Those who with God's help have welcomed Christ's call and freely responded to it are urged on by love of Christ to proclaim the Good News everywhere in the world. This treasure, received from the apostles, has been faithfully guarded by their successors. All Christ's faithful are called to hand it on from generation to generation, by professing the faith, by living it in fraternal sharing, and by celebrating it in liturgy and prayer.6

II. Handing on the Faith: Catechesis

4 Quite early on, the name catechesis was given to the totality of the Church's efforts to make disciples, to help men believe that Jesus is the Son of God so that believing they might have life in his name, and to educate and instruct them in this life, thus building up the body of Christ.7

5 "Catechesis is an education in the faith of children, young people and adults which includes especially the teaching of Christian doctrine imparted, generally speaking, in an organic and systematic way, with a view to initiating the hearers into the fullness of Christian life."8

any thing against God's revealed words so far??.....

SantoSubito · Jul 11, 2011

kujo313 said:

To me, and to many others, age helps verify reliability. But we're obviously at opposite ends of the Christian spectrum .

More like the bearers of light dispelling the darkness.

AnandaHya · Jul 11, 2011

loveschild said:

good question. lets see the different answers from various Catholics:

"Are you saved?" asks the Fundamentalist. The Catholic should reply: "As the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:18, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13)."

Assurance of Salvation?

Outside the Church there is no Salvation (Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus)
“Outside the Church there is no salvation” (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) is a doctrine of the Catholic Faith that was taught By Jesus Christ to His Apostles, preached by the Fathers, defined by popes and councils and piously believed by the faithful in every age of the Church. Here is how the Popes defined it:
“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)
“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)
“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)
But man, following the example of his natural father, Adam, often disobeys the authority of God. The fact that the doctrine had to be thrice defined itself proves the Church’s paternal solicitude in correcting her erring children who fall into indifferentism. The first goal of Saint Benedict Center’s doctrinal Crusade is to defend this doctrine. We present here a selection of various articles written for that end.
Here are some recommended starting points on this all-important subject:
The Popes on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus
The Fathers of the Church on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus
Doctrinal Summary
Sentimental Theology
Pelagius Lives
Our Status in the Church (focusing on the doctrinal stance of Saint Benedict Center and the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary)

Outside the Church there is no Salvation — Catholicism.org - Saint Benedict Center, The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary

now the above I find interesting. What is considered "the church"?

Only Catholics or all who God has called out?

Scotth1960 · Jul 11, 2011

loveschild said:

What about the Roman Catholic religion and her daughters?
I asked myself this question when I learned who the Great Whore was (See Chapter 7). What could possibly be so bad that a term like that is used to describe her?
And didn't the "daughters" (Protestant, Methodist, Lutheran, etc.) actually drop away from the Catholic church because they disagreed with the Vatican?
The Roman Catholic church was founded around 325 AD. They taught (falsely), and still do, that the Bishops of the church were "spiritual successors" to the original 12 apostles, in particular the Apostle Peter, and that they had the right to discern true or false doctrine. At that time, they changed the baptism taught by Jesus and His apostles, including Peter, and they indoctrinated a false concept called the "trinity" that had been invented around 200 AD but was never taught by Jesus or the Apostles, or taught anywhere in the bible. They even attempt to deify the mother of Jesus. It's true that Mary was blessed to carry and give birth to Jesus, but she was simply a Jewish woman, not a God. They made it a crime punishable by death to attempt to actually read the bible for yourself and/or contradict the Roman Catholic church during the Dark Ages, and they have killed an estimated 68 million Christians over the years for refusing to bow to the false doctrine of the Roman Catholic church.
The following is a quote from a man who was raised in the Catholic church but left the church as an adult to pursue the real Truth.
On the question of salvation; "Unfortunately most Roman Catholics really don't know for sure what Rome's answers are. Most have a vague idea of a place called 'Purgatory.' They wander through life with an unfounded belief that, if their 'good works' outweigh their 'sins' then they get a ticket to heaven. Others believe that just being a Roman Catholic is all that is required to get to Heaven. Well, not directly to Heaven, but by way of an untold period of time in unmentionable pain and suffering in Purgatory. Its not a pretty picture of salvation. Not at all. One of the saddest laments of a priest friend (Novus Ordo type) is that Catholics no longer know their own faith!"
Let's take a look at what the Catholic believer has to do today in order to "receive" salvation.
The Vatican teaches that salvation is through the church.
According to the Catholic church you must do all of the following in order to receive salvation:

Confess your sins to a Roman Catholic priest.
"Receive" all appropriate Roman Catholic sacraments.
Believe that Grace comes only via Rome's sacraments, and only through Mary.
Buy or earn as many indulgences as possible so as to avoid Purgatory.
Believe that Grace can only be distributed to you by Mary.
Attend the Roman Catholic Mass on all Sundays and holy days.
Obey all of Rome's rules (i.e., precepts of the Church).
Be a member of the Roman Catholic Church.
Submit yourself to the Pope.

The bible teaches that you must believe in Jesus and obey the Gospel for salvation, and that it's by the grace of God, not Mary or Rome, that we are saved. All of the above only make you subservient to the Roman Catholic church and do not ensure your place with God at all.
But, the Roman Catholic leaders today are even saying that you don’t really need to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved!
Article #841 of the Catechism says: "The Church's relationship with the Muslims. 'The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.'" This means that the Catholic church believes that the Muslims will be saved just like anyone else even though Muslims don't believe in Jesus, and that they worship the same God that we all do even though Allah was originally a pagan moon god.
Muslims say you don’t need to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved! Muslims will admit that Jesus Christ was a true prophet, but deny that He was the Messiah (although some Western Muslims will say He was anointed), they will deny that He was God manifested in the flesh as of the Son of God (John 1:14), and they will deny that He died on the cross and rose again. That belief cannot be truth because Jesus Christ himself said He was the Messiah! John 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. That would make Him a false prophet according to the Muslim beliefs! And, Jesus Christ himself said we have to believe in Him! John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. We absolutely must believe that Jesus Christ was manifest in the flesh, was crucified for our sins and rose again. This is the gospel! Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. There is no salvation in any other name but Jesus! Not Mohammed, not Buddha; no other name...
Does the Catholic leadership read the same bible I do??? Sure doesn't look like it! No wonder God is angry with her...

The book of Revelation does not talk about the Roman Catholic Church. It only mentions 7 first century churches in Rev 1 through 3. This churches are long gone.
The whore is a reference to unfaithful Jerusalem and Rome in conspiracy against Jesus Christ. Rome/Jerusalem is the Babylon, the evil Pharisaic/Roman system that crucified Christ. No church crucified Christ. Revelation is a historical document, not a prophecy of the distant or even the near future. Anything still in the future is not fully knowable, as no man can know the day nor the hour of the actual end times.

Warrior44 · Jul 11, 2011

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AnandaHya said:

good question. lets see the different answers from various Catholics:

"Are you saved?" asks the Fundamentalist. The Catholic should reply: "As the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5??–8), but I??’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:18, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9??–10, 1 Cor. 3:12??–15). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11??–13)."

Assurance of Salvation?

Outside the Church there is no Salvation (Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus)
??“Outside the Church there is no salvation??” (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) is a doctrine of the Catholic Faith that was taught By Jesus Christ to His Apostles, preached by the Fathers, defined by popes and councils and piously believed by the faithful in every age of the Church. Here is how the Popes defined it:
??“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.??” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)
??“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.??” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)
??“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.??” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)
But man, following the example of his natural father, Adam, often disobeys the authority of God. The fact that the doctrine had to be thrice defined itself proves the Church??’s paternal solicitude in correcting her erring children who fall into indifferentism. The first goal of Saint Benedict Center??’s doctrinal Crusade is to defend this doctrine. We present here a selection of various articles written for that end.
Here are some recommended starting points on this all-important subject:
The Popes on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus
The Fathers of the Church on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus
Doctrinal Summary
Sentimental Theology
Pelagius Lives
Our Status in the Church (focusing on the doctrinal stance of Saint Benedict Center and the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary)

Outside the Church there is no Salvation — Catholicism.org - Saint Benedict Center, The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary

now the above I find interesting. What is considered "the church"?

Only Catholics or all who God has called out?

This is a good question. One enters the church through baptism and this baptism (participation in the church) is necessary for salvation. The Catholic Church teaches three different types of Baptism. The first is call baptism of water and is the typical baptism that we are familiar with and the type that Christ ordered and the apostles followed through with. The next is called the baptism of blood. This teaches that anyone who dies for Christ or His Church whether they have been baptized by water or not is considerdered part of the Church and saved. The third type is called baptism of desire and includes any person who leads a Christian life and follows Gods commandments and didnt have a chance to be baptized before death.
It is also important to note that the sacrament of Baptism as taught by the Catholic Church can be administered by anyone, though it is usually administered by a priest. because of this, all baptized Protestants are also included in the universal Church.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

AnandaHya · Jul 11, 2011

Warrior44 said:

that is reassuring and that is what my catholic friends told me too the "all baptized Protestants are also included in the universal "catholic" church"

I have never heard of the baptize of blood and desire. what does it mean exactly?

is that like the baptism by the Holy Spirit and the sanctification of the believer?

dscherck · Jul 11, 2011

AnandaHya said:

Well, baptism by blood has one explicit example in the Scriptures. The thief on the cross obviously asked for mercy and was assured by Our Lord he would be with Him in paradise. I've always pictured him as being covered in Our Lord's precious blood following the piercing of Our Lord's side.

But remember that there were many martyrs who were killed professing Christ but prior to their baptism in the early days of the Church. And we cannot deny that there are those who desire to be baptized but may have no logistical way to have it done, yet they too profess belief in Our Lord. That would be an example of baptism by desire. The normal and preferred way is by water, but Our Lord is merciful.

Warrior44 · Jul 11, 2011

AnandaHya said:

Yes, I think you're on the right track there.
Baptism by blood refers specifically to martyrdom. Jesus said that there is no greater love than to lay down ones life for their friends. He did it Himself. He also said blessed are you who are persecuted for my sake. certainly to die with a love this great and faith this great, the Holy Spirit would endow this special baptism.
Baptism by desire refers to living a holy life. As Christians we are to strive to live out the Commandments. Now I admit I'm not sure whether one must have knowledge of Christ and His Church to receive this Baptism or whether a holy life is all that is necessary. This is a big difference. I'll look it up. But if I were to guess I'd say that one would need to have knowledge of Christ and His Church.

Scotth1960 · Jul 11, 2011

Dear AnandaHya, Please see the following website about the Croatian Nazi Ustashe during World War II and the Croatian Roman Catholic Church persecution of the Orthodox Serbian Church.
http:// OrthodoxyToday.org | Shades of Grey: The Record of Archbishop Stepinac

God save us all in Christ's mercy. Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

AnandaHya said:

good question. lets see the different answers from various Catholics:

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AnandaHya said:

"Are you saved?" asks the Fundamentalist. The Catholic should reply: "As the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:18, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13)."

Assurance of Salvation?

Outside the Church there is no Salvation (Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus)
“Outside the Church there is no salvation” (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) is a doctrine of the Catholic Faith that was taught By Jesus Christ to His Apostles, preached by the Fathers, defined by popes and councils and piously believed by the faithful in every age of the Church. Here is how the Popes defined it:
“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)
“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)
“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)
But man, following the example of his natural father, Adam, often disobeys the authority of God. The fact that the doctrine had to be thrice defined itself proves the Church’s paternal solicitude in correcting her erring children who fall into indifferentism. The first goal of Saint Benedict Center’s doctrinal Crusade is to defend this doctrine. We present here a selection of various articles written for that end.
Here are some recommended starting points on this all-important subject:
The Popes on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus
The Fathers of the Church on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus
Doctrinal Summary
Sentimental Theology
Pelagius Lives
Our Status in the Church (focusing on the doctrinal stance of Saint Benedict Center and the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary)

Outside the Church there is no Salvation — Catholicism.org - Saint Benedict Center, The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary

now the above I find interesting. What is considered "the church"?

Only Catholics or all who God has called out?

dscherck · Jul 11, 2011

Scotth1960 said:

We recognize Protestants who are baptized in the Trinitarian formulae as our fellow Christians and members of the Church, though in an imperfect sense. And we recognize the validity of our dearest brothers and sisters of the Orthodox churches as being part of the Church as well. And we always pray to the Holy Spirit, that one day Our Lord's words will be fulfilled and the whole world will see Christians everywhere "be as one."

Shyness · Jul 11, 2011

loveschild said:

First I suggest you use cleaner language and not use profanity on here and second I never forced my beliefs on you so please do not accuse me of something you cannot prove to be true. And also, what makes you less of a sinner than those who do not share your beliefs.

Shyness · Jul 11, 2011

Also loveschild, I reported that post for use of profanity.

Shyness · Jul 12, 2011

loveschild said:

Also it pains me to see how you can tell others that they are wrong according to the bible while on the other hand that you approve your use of foul language. Sounds like pride and arrogance.

loveschild · Jul 12, 2011

AnandaHya said:

Thank you
Not. This isn't the first the Catholic thing has been going on. You've been here just a little while. In your time here how much verses from the bible have you seen everyone put up? No matter what anyone puts up from the bible they decide to to do what ever they want. As in twist the bible to make it what they want. They can do what ever they want. It's called free will.
Mainly I put up the things about what is wrong with the Catholic thing cause so many Christian don't know about how it's wrong.
I'm not going to change anyone's mind and neither is God. The only thing that will help them is if we pray for them which I do. And if they ask God to help them which I pray they do.
If you want to pretend that all the false churches are OK do as you please.

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