What does this mean: "I have said, Ye are gods..."

[Nehemiah6]

Without the modern translation of Luke 9:35, I would not have understood that Jesus was chosen from the other sons of God.

So what you are saying is that until the Word of God was CORRUPTED and then presented to us in the modern versions, Christians were misinformed about the uniqueness of the Sonship of Christ.

Unfortunately the modern Bible versions are based upon corrupted critical texts, which are based upon Gnostic corruptions of the Greek New Testament. This is NOT opinion but fact. See The Revision Revised by John W. Burgon.

RECEIVED TEXT
καὶ φωνὴ ἐγένετο ἐκ τῆς νεφέλης λέγουσα Οὗτός ἐστιν ὁ υἱός μου ὁ ἀγαπητὸς, αὐτοῦ ἀκούετε [the beloved]

CRITICAL TEXT (CORRUPTED)
καὶ φωνὴ ἐγένετο ἐκ τῆς νεφέλης λέγουσα Οὗτός ἐστιν ὁ Υἱός μου ὁ ἐκλελεγμένος, αὐτοῦ ἀκούετε. [the chosen]

So "THE BELOVED" was changed to "the chosen" and now we can see how the doctrine of Christ was attacked. Now you (and perhaps others) have arrived at the erroneous conclusion that Jesus was "chosen" out of many other "sons" (no doubt angels) to take human form. But Scripture says that "GOD (THEOS) was manifest in the flesh..." (1 Tim 3:16). However, you will not find it stated exactly like that in modern Bible perversions, so once again you will be deceived.

If you want the truth, stick with the King James Bible and believe that Jesus is God, not some angel.

 

[followjesus]

Judge over the people. The term gods is used to show corruptness . Such as idols are gods, graven images, that people admired them , trusted and so on. Hero worship, it's actually a insult.

actually, its a reference to God calling Israel his children

God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. (
2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked?Selah.
3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.4Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
8Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations."


God calls men his children, "His offspring" as paul notes, and as Jesus taught us so clearly. while there are many false gods and have been in the earth always, the scripture does call Gods people, gods. its just that we take that as blasphemous not understanding that its saying " Man was made in Gods image and after His likeness. and God from the start, Gave man the authoirty over all that he created. mans intended purpose, is to rule over the creation as stewards acting in Gods perfect will.

the name " children of God" is smething that comes with a guarantee of immortality, a guarantee that death is not our end, but we will live for eternity with The One true and Only God, whos claim upon us is that we are His children, holy people, not of this world but on a journey home where we have always belonged. this doctrine is there elsewhere.

acts 17:28 " For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring."

God calling us His children....makes us more than those who fall in death that is the gift, Life to those who are dead. its not that the scripture doesnt call those who receive Gods word " gods" or thats a negative context, its that the foundations of the world are not what they were, and the knowledge of God, is not what it was. for us to be gods, is Gods Will its no different than saying we are the offspring , or the children of God and understanding we are promised eternal life to be together with God the Father of all life.

its our minds that make it a negative idea and want to stone those who accept that the word does say it , its just no one grasps it because there is darkness and crumbling foundations of the worlds course.

john10 "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"


every time a person claims to be Gods child, they are claiming to be gods or offspring of the One true and Only God. Jesus claim to be Gods Son, was the issue because he was saying " God is my Father, not man" the jews just didnt understand Man came from God and was crowned with Glory and honor, being made in His likeness and image.

we are confusing false gods who desire worship, with Gods children who worship the true God and invite others to do the same in worshipping the One and Only true God and Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ. and understand that God calling us gods, is not the same understanding we grasp from our perspective. its a crown of Honor Given to man, bu God from the beginning, our purpose was to rule in the image and likeness of God, and be His family.

 

[bluto]

King James bible in John 1:14 and John 3:16 have Jesus as the only begotten son of God. I am not King James only.
NIV and ESV have Jesus as the one and only Son. footnote in ESV for John 1:14 says another word for only is unique.

Monogenes theos is in John 1:18 often translated the only Son, God but the literal meaning as I understand is One Family (of) God. I conclude that Jesus is the only Son who took on flesh to dwell among us. in John 1:14 I understand the Greek word is Jesus tabernacle with us.
Law of first mention, John 1:14 Jesus is the only Son who was begotten into human form.
So when in other places in John where Jesus is called the only Son and since only also means unique which I assume applies to Isaac in Genesis 20 where Abraham was told to sacrifice his only son, Isaac uniquely begotten, the son of Abraham's and Sarah's old age.

Since Jesus is the only Son who took on flesh to dwell among us, (we both agree with this) , we will disagree on whether there are other sons.
John 10, Ye are gods refers to Psalms 82. Read the first verse. Jesus is the head of the divine counsel (King James), Jesus is the head of the mighty in other bibles.
Ps. 82:1 refers to the princes of Daniel called archangels by Jude.
I conclude that the princes are not created.

Because modern bibles have Luke 9:35, This is my chosen Son. And all bibles have Hebrews 1:8-9, Jesus was anointed from His companions, I conclude that Jesus's companions could have been chosen but the Father chose the Son who would be obedient in all things.

The archetype is Abel and Cain. God choose Abel and his sacrifice but rejected Cain and his sacrifice. Cain took it personally, grew jealous and killed Abel. Hebrews 11:4, 12:24. Abel represents Jesus. Cain represents Satan.

Without the modern translation of Luke 9:35, I would not have understood that Jesus was chosen from the other sons of God.
I don't base my understanding on one verse but Luke 9:35 opens me to understand Hebrews 1:8-9 and the archetypes of the youngest son who is chosen to be the most important and explains what caused Satan's rebellion. The Septuagint and Catholic bible in Ezekiel 28 does not have Satan as an angel. The Masoretic and Protestant Bibles do have Satan as a angel.

Who is teaching you this stuff enoch? When you said the following I nearly fell off of my chair. Without the modern translation of Luke 9:35, I would not have understood that Jesus was chosen from the other sons of God." Jesus "WAS NOT CHOSEN" from other sons. Your extrapolating, i.e "assuming" that the word chosen in Luke 9:35 has to mean that Jesus was chosen among other sons. That is not how you exegete scripture. In fact, it is the Mormon's who teach Jesus was chosen ahead of Satan to come to earth and save mankind. You can read it in Mormon Milton Hunters book "Gospel Through the Ages" on page 15, paragraph 3.

Moreover, John the Baptist was chosen by God even before he was born to be the forerunner to Jesus Christ at Luke 1:13-17 so would you come to the conclusion that God "probably" chose him above others, of course not. Now, getting back to what I posted to you regarding the word begotten you did include in your post the example of Abraham offering his son when you said this: "So when in other places in John where Jesus is called the only Son and since only also means unique which I assume applies to Isaac in Genesis 20 where Abraham was told to sacrifice his only son, Isaac uniquely begotten, the son of Abraham's and Sarah's old age."

This is exactly the sense of how the word begotten is used in John 3:16. It cannot mean begotten by way of the flesh because the Apostle John already explained this sense at John 1 where the "Word/Jesus Christ who is with God and who is God became flesh at John 1:14. In other words, were past that part and John is explaining at John 3:16 how Jesus is the one and only unique Son of God as in there are no others like Him. Btw, thank you for using paragraphs.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[DevotiontoBible]

actually, its a reference to God calling Israel his children

God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. (
2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked?Selah.
3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.4Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
8Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations."


God calls men his children, "His offspring" as paul notes, and as Jesus taught us so clearly. while there are many false gods and have been in the earth always, the scripture does call Gods people, gods. its just that we take that as blasphemous not understanding that its saying " Man was made in Gods image and after His likeness. and God from the start, Gave man the authoirty over all that he created. mans intended purpose, is to rule over the creation as stewards acting in Gods perfect will.

the name " children of God" is smething that comes with a guarantee of immortality, a guarantee that death is not our end, but we will live for eternity with The One true and Only God, whos claim upon us is that we are His children, holy people, not of this world but on a journey home where we have always belonged. this doctrine is there elsewhere.

acts 17:28 " For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring."

God calling us His children....makes us more than those who fall in death that is the gift, Life to those who are dead. its not that the scripture doesnt call those who receive Gods word " gods" or thats a negative context, its that the foundations of the world are not what they were, and the knowledge of God, is not what it was. for us to be gods, is Gods Will its no different than saying we are the offspring , or the children of God and understanding we are promised eternal life to be together with God the Father of all life.

its our minds that make it a negative idea and want to stone those who accept that the word does say it , its just no one grasps it because there is darkness and crumbling foundations of the worlds course.

john10 "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"


every time a person claims to be Gods child, they are claiming to be gods or offspring of the One true and Only God. Jesus claim to be Gods Son, was the issue because he was saying " God is my Father, not man" the jews just didnt understand Man came from God and was crowned with Glory and honor, being made in His likeness and image.

we are confusing false gods who desire worship, with Gods children who worship the true God and invite others to do the same in worshipping the One and Only true God and Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ. and understand that God calling us gods, is not the same understanding we grasp from our perspective. its a crown of Honor Given to man, bu God from the beginning, our purpose was to rule in the image and likeness of God, and be His family.

Read it closely. Jesus didn't say,"if he called them gods then you are too". None of the Apostles ever referred to themselves or any Christian as a god. No New Testament writer anything like , "realize you are a god now rule like one". You are a polytheist.

 

[Enoch987]

Read it closely. Jesus didn't say,"if he called them gods then you are too". None of the Apostles ever referred to themselves or any Christian as a god. No New Testament writer anything like , "realize you are a god now rule like one". You are a polytheist.

Enoch987is who you meant to call a polytheist the.devotion__ poster seems orthodox or at least not a polytheist.

 

[Enoch987]

Bluto, where in john 1 does it say that jesus was begotten in human terms. you wrote that I interpret begotten according to the wrong tense. where in john 1 is the conceived by thr holy spirit in the virgin mary tense used?

since you know greek please explain why the chosen of luke 9:35 is the wrong word. I know only the blue letter bible which is king james

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Enoch987is who you meant to call a polytheist the.devotion__ poster seems orthodox or at least not a polytheist.

He writes that the Scriptures say we are gods. How is that orthodox?

 

[JaumeJ]

This is not a very complex question. If you go to the original uttering of this phrase in the Psalms you will find it to be not such an outrageous description of mere creatures as at first glance.

Gods in Hebrew is elohim..אלהיםH430 אתם.

God, in His fulness, is referred to as Elohim. This word, Elohim, is the plural form of El, also God. El may be translated quite simply as mighty one. When used in reference to our Father, Jesus, or His Holy Spirit, it means God.

So when the Psalmist writes, "ye are gods," it is simply saying ye are mighty ones, but not anything to compare to how we today deem the word god(S).

 

[JaumeJ]

PS.....here are examples of the Hebrew usage of the term, elohim, the plural and the singular.

Jesus cried out on the cross "Eli, Eli, lama sabathani." El here is used witht he suffix, i, converting it to the first person possessive.

And in the plural, "Elohim said, come let us make man in our image." The suffix here simply converts the singular to the plural..you know, God in Three Persons.

People have the tendency to make things much more difficult than they ever were when putting their own understanding before what is being conveyed.

Praise God, and listen to Him always.......do not lean on your own understanding.

 

[followjesus]

Read it closely. Jesus didn't say,"if he called them gods then you are too". None of the Apostles ever referred to themselves or any Christian as a god. No New Testament writer anything like , "realize you are a god now rule like one". You are a polytheist.

Jesus didn't say,"if he called them gods then you are too"."


yea im not sure i said what you quoted there, what im saying is this

God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. (
2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked?Selah.
3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.4Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
8Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations."


Jesus was referring to this psalm, when He says " scripture calls them gods to whom the word of God came" He is referring lol to Israel who received Gods word as a figure of us to whom the word of God came. theres no question or argument what the scripture says. so who is it, that the word of God came to ?

can I ask if you might make this connection. ( remembering that david wrote of Christ in the psalms)

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? ... the answer to who it refers>>> 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? "

"They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
>>>> men do not understand this >6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
and because we dont >>>7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes."

so to whom has the word of God been given?


john 1 " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."

That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."


1 john 5 " Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ;... And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." <<<<< v 6 Jesus. God, the Word, and the Holy ghost are One in Heaven.


God sent the Word, from Heaven to earth, and those who believe receive the Holy Ghost through and only through Jesus and the Gospel.Jesus is the word sent from Heaven to earth to bear witness to the truth. its the reason He was born according to Him. Jesus was telling the people Gods words, Gods witness....
9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave ( the word bore record in Heaven) of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."


The word from Heaven, is the word manifest in the flesh and body of Jesus Christ. the things He spoke is the word from Heaven. this word promises eternal Life" it promises that we are Gods children, brothers and sisters of The Only begotten and are infact given immkortality and you may not realize are now partakers of the divine nature because of the Holy Ghost that is given through Jesus.

2 peter 1 " According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."

im just a believer friend, although i have never referred to myself a god or anyone else, thae fact remains that the scriptures absolutely do call those to whom Gods word comes, gods. it does infact call us the Children born of God through the Begotten Son. it does infact tell us that we are not to fear death because we will live. im not sure everyone grasps the actual good news eternal Life , glory, virtue. immortality, no more death, no more sorrow, no more sin, war, hate, lies, adultery, hunger, famine, pestelence, deceit.......


the real Good news cant be grasped until we see the condemnation caused by adam and then enforced by the Law of Moses. were dead until we meet Jesus, if we accept Him, we shall Live. man now is not what we were to start, we fell from our place in creation, were cursed and condemned.....Jesus came to reconcile what we gave away. we certainly think of gods differently than a mortal man like us.


but Jesus tells us different, he tells us we can do things impossible to men, he tells us we will not see death, he tells us were much more than weve come to see. nevertheless the scriptures do call Gods people, gods. and Jesus says its referring to "those to whom the word of God came" ...........Jesus is the Word that offers eternal Life as a child of God, something totally different that what we were before.


God bless you

 

[7seasrekeyed]

the real Good news cant be grasped until we see the condemnation caused by adam and then enforced by the Law of Moses. were dead until we meet Jesus, if we accept Him, we shall Live. man now is not what we were to start, we fell from our place in creation, were cursed and condemned.....Jesus came to reconcile what we gave away. we certainly think of gods differently than a mortal man like us.


but Jesus tells us different, he tells us we can do things impossible to men, he tells us we will not see death, he tells us were much more than weve come to see. nevertheless the scriptures do call Gods people, gods. and Jesus says its referring to "those to whom the word of God came" ...........Jesus is the Word that offers eternal Life as a child of God, something totally different that what we were before.

I made your font bigger here cause the other one is disappearing...and I know this was not written specifically to me, but public forum and all so I'll respond anyway


Jesus never called human beings gods. First off, He was not addressing believers...you say the scriptures call God's people gods...there have been a good many posts, intelligent posts, addressing this error and yet you ignore them and continue postulating, with apparent ignorance of the original languages, context and intent of Jesus addressing those who were intent on killing Him

no

we are not gods, Jesus never called us gods and you are wrong

I don't believe you will be moved from your position one iota because it does not fit your theology which is what happens when folks go searching in the scriptures for verses to back up what they have been taught or mistakenly believe instead of allowing the word to enlighten them, they put cloak over their own understanding and then get busy trying to do the same to others

 

[followjesus]

He writes that the Scriptures say we are gods. How is that orthodox?

LOL the scriptures do say that is the thing you just refuse to accept it. if it is written, its written. thats all im saying, and i dont have a denomination, nor do i follow any sort of theology courses or seminaries. if you wish to place a label on me, i like " disciple of and believer in Jesus and His Gospel" im not sure how the scriptures saying what they say, is somehow an issue.


the issue is men and our understanding of things because as that psalm clearly says things are out of order because of what adam did. if you take the time to look at adam well actually here

this is Gods will for mankind, no reason, Just Because God Loves mankind made after Him....

Genesis 1 " And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.


27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good."

mans purpose is to rule the earth, to have dominion over all the earth all that God made Look at How God treats adam and look at the authority adam expresses and note, that adam is free to eat of the tree of Life.

Genesis 2 " 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. <<< mans life came out of God

8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil."


And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. 16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.




18And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. 19And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. ( adams authority) 20And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.


21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. ( again adams authority and adams word) 25And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."


Now this is before transgression. note there is no Law of moses, no teaching that we shall not kill, steal , lie ect, there is God blessing man for no reason Just because He is Good and Loves us and desires to have a family that will choose to Love Him. then look How man changes after man changed and Jesus came to change us Back to what we are meant to be.

adams intended place was fellowship with God, comfort in His presence, even naked adam had no shame in Gods presence, freedom to the tree of Life, Gods favor, Gods abundant blessings upon mankind..... he followed the One who is come to steal kill and destroy and cursed creation being its ruler or cmmander or " authority" as adam went so went man, as Jesus goes so goes man. one led us astray, One leads us Home. to eternal Life which we were created for from the start.


i suppose it would matter what one defines a god. is immortality ? divine nature? a spirit of holiness? being claimed by God as His child ? having faith that can do impossible things? the scripture says alot that never gets discussed because of theology courses. men teaching men how to understand things never works, its strange the bible doesnt mention courses and schools for theology it really only makes mention of the setting here

2 timothy 4 " For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."


The bible teaches the spiritual gift of understanding, through seeking and prayer. I sort of believe the many teachers have been at it for centuries.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

LOL the scriptures do say that is the thing you just refuse to accept it. if it is written, its written. thats all im saying, and i dont have a denomination, nor do i follow any sort of theology courses or seminaries. if you wish to place a label on me, i like " disciple of and believer in Jesus and His Gospel" im not sure how the scriptures saying what they say, is somehow an issue.


the issue is men and our understanding of things because as that psalm clearly says things are out of order because of what adam did. if you take the time to look at adam well actually here

this is Gods will for mankind, no reason, Just Because God Loves mankind made after Him....

Genesis 1 " And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.


27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good."

mans purpose is to rule the earth, to have dominion over all the earth all that God made Look at How God treats adam and look at the authority adam expresses and note, that adam is free to eat of the tree of Life.

Genesis 2 " 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. <<< mans life came out of God

8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil."


And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. 16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.




18And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. 19And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. ( adams authority) 20And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.


21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. ( again adams authority and adams word) 25And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."


Now this is before transgression. note there is no Law of moses, no teaching that we shall not kill, steal , lie ect, there is God blessing man for no reason Just because He is Good and Loves us and desires to have a family that will choose to Love Him. then look How man changes after man changed and Jesus came to change us Back to what we are meant to be.

adams intended place was fellowship with God, comfort in His presence, even naked adam had no shame in Gods presence, freedom to the tree of Life, Gods favor, Gods abundant blessings upon mankind..... he followed the One who is come to steal kill and destroy and cursed creation being its ruler or cmmander or " authority" as adam went so went man, as Jesus goes so goes man. one led us astray, One leads us Home. to eternal Life which we were created for from the start.


i suppose it would matter what one defines a god. is immortality ? divine nature? a spirit of holiness? being claimed by God as His child ? having faith that can do impossible things? the scripture says alot that never gets discussed because of theology courses. men teaching men how to understand things never works, its strange the bible doesnt mention courses and schools for theology it really only makes mention of the setting here

2 timothy 4 " For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."


The bible teaches the spiritual gift of understanding, through seeking and prayer. I sort of believe the many teachers have been at it for centuries.

That is polytheism. You are a polytheist.

 

[miknik5]

Philippians 3 keeps coming in mind

 

[DevotiontoBible]

pol·y·the·ism
ˈpälēTHēˌizəm/Submit
noun
the belief inor worship of more than one god.

 

[miknik5]

Philippians 3 keeps coming in mind

 

[followjesus]

I made your font bigger here cause the other one is disappearing...and I know this was not written specifically to me, but public forum and all so I'll respond anyway


Jesus never called human beings gods. First off, He was not addressing believers...you say the scriptures call God's people gods...there have been a good many posts, intelligent posts, addressing this error and yet you ignore them and continue postulating, with apparent ignorance of the original languages, context and intent of Jesus addressing those who were intent on killing Him

no

we are not gods, Jesus never called us gods and you are wrong

I don't believe you will be moved from your position one iota because it does not fit your theology which is what happens when folks go searching in the scriptures for verses to back up what they have been taught or mistakenly believe instead of allowing the word to enlighten them, they put cloak over their own understanding and then get busy trying to do the same to others

lol first off what did Jesus say ?

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? ...<<<< Jesus is saying that it is written in the law " I said Ye are gods" ...then he gives understanding 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came,( who is it he is referring to? is it not man who Gods word comes to?) and the scripture cannot be broken; 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? "

then he says if your law says that of those to whom the word came, what then of me who God sent? you are accusing me of blasphemy because i said im Gods Son?.


im really not sure if it matters what it says lol or what you think it says. do you think Jesus wasnt referring to whats written there? why does he say " its written " like im not sure, i think maybe sometimes we hear something we didnt see before, and then sort of take offense even though oits not really debatable whats actually written. the scriptures do infact call men gods, those who Gods Word came to. its really not a tenable position, to say its not whats there is it?

did you realize that man was not created with a bond to death? that we only die, because of sin? did you Know that God from the start Gave authority over the earth, to the first man? that adam was free to eat of the tree of Life?



and i think possibly you might want to look to the beginning where God says this

Genesis 3 " And the LORD God said, Behold,the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."


the truth is, that things changed when adam sinned, before that man was not bound to decay, man had freedom to eat of the tree of Life,

what do you consider a god ? what defines a god? is it eternal Life? is it to be born as a child of the Only God? to rise up from the dead? is it to have the power to do the impossible? is it to walk on water? is it to be called to glory? to be seated beside God in the heavens? is it to have the same spirit, that is God living in us?.........


Yes, the scripture does call those who receive Gods Word, gods. Jesus is the word of God. do i refer to anyone as a god, no, never have or will, but the fact remains scripture does indeed. and the psalms im not sure you know, are prophetic david wrote of Christ hid descendant. so i suppose, if the term offends you, i appologize , but the scripture does say exactly what Jesus said it says and you can look at the psalm, God is calling his people gods. he is saying you dont understand my people i have colled you gods, i have called you children of the most High....but you will die like mere men........ its no different form adam, God made everything available to him and made him lord over the earth, freedom to eat pf the tree of Life, gods intimate presence......... why do you suppose the law does not have that relationship between God and man?


why does adam have such freedom and authority and favor, and the people under the Law, have a hard law, that is constantly teaching what not to do to be acceptable to God? and why then later, do you suppose Jesus offers a personal intimate relationship with God again, the promises of blessings, the promise to eat of the tree of life again........


its the ministry of reconciliation" for a reason. were being restored back to what we are meant tp be eternal Beings made in the image and likeness of God, because thats what children are if eternal Life, to be born of God most High...well I prefer the title child of the Most High partaker of the divine nature

2 peter 1 " According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."

i think if we realized we arent supposed to see God like at horeb, but like Jesus taught us, wed realize his will isnt to be eaons away on a throne, with us bowing 3000 times in worship.... but to be among us, Healing and hugging us, speaking with us, blessing us with things we cant concieve..... sharing life with us, having us care for each other eternally. to me thats much more than human. we were good, and we follwed evil and became sinners, through Christ, we are sanctified and justified and yes also glorified with Jesus, did yu know paul taches that we are presently seated with Jesus in Heaven? that Jesus is presently with us on earth? that we are not the same we were? the old has gone the new creation has come?

we dont understand what man actually is, is why we have the term gods being used of men. not to be confused with the term God who is One and only. men are meant to be like Him. its our purpose to live godly lives now because....were offspring of God thats where man came from. we caused the whole fallen into death and mortality thing

 

[JaumeJ]

Below is exactly what was intended in the quoted statement of being "gods."

This is not a very complex question. If you go to the original uttering of this phrase in the Psalms you will find it to be not such an outrageous description of mere creatures as at first glance.

Gods in Hebrew is elohim..אלהיםH430 אתם.

God, in His fulness, is referred to as Elohim. This word, Elohim, is the plural form of El, also God. El may be translated quite simply as mighty one. When used in reference to our Father, Jesus, or His Holy Spirit, it means God.

So when the Psalmist writes, "ye are gods," it is simply saying ye are mighty ones, but not anything to compare to how we today deem the word god(S).

PS.....here are examples of the Hebrew usage of the term, elohim, the plural and the singular.

Jesus cried out on the cross "Eli, Eli, lama sabathani." El here is used witht he suffix, i, converting it to the first person possessive.

And in the plural, "Elohim said, come let us make man in our image." The suffix here simply converts the singular to the plural..you know, God in Three Persons.

People have the tendency to make things much more difficult than they ever were when putting their own understanding before what is being conveyed.

Praise God, and listen to Him always.......do not lean on your own understanding.

 

[MarcR]

In Hebrew, when אֱלֹהִ֑ים Elohiym refers to deity it is ALWAYS to the one true (triune) God.

When 'gods' is intended אֱלֹהח֣י elohay is used.

The Hebrew word אֱלֹהִֽים Elohiym does NOT always signify deity. When applied to people it always signifies mighty in a political or military sense. note that the הִֽ he is accented with a הֽ megeth instead of an ה֑ atnah.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

lol first off what did Jesus say ?

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? ...<<<< Jesus is saying that it is written in the law " I said Ye are gods" ...then he gives understanding 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came,( who is it he is referring to? is it not man who Gods word comes to?) and the scripture cannot be broken; 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? "

then he says if your law says that of those to whom the word came, what then of me who God sent? you are accusing me of blasphemy because i said im Gods Son?.


im really not sure if it matters what it says lol or what you think it says. do you think Jesus wasnt referring to whats written there? why does he say " its written " like im not sure, i think maybe sometimes we hear something we didnt see before, and then sort of take offense even though oits not really debatable whats actually written. the scriptures do infact call men gods, those who Gods Word came to. its really not a tenable position, to say its not whats there is it?

did you realize that man was not created with a bond to death? that we only die, because of sin? did you Know that God from the start Gave authority over the earth, to the first man? that adam was free to eat of the tree of Life?



and i think possibly you might want to look to the beginning where God says this

Genesis 3 " And the LORD God said, Behold,the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."


the truth is, that things changed when adam sinned, before that man was not bound to decay, man had freedom to eat of the tree of Life,

what do you consider a god ? what defines a god? is it eternal Life? is it to be born as a child of the Only God? to rise up from the dead? is it to have the power to do the impossible? is it to walk on water? is it to be called to glory? to be seated beside God in the heavens? is it to have the same spirit, that is God living in us?.........


Yes, the scripture does call those who receive Gods Word, gods. Jesus is the word of God. do i refer to anyone as a god, no, never have or will, but the fact remains scripture does indeed. and the psalms im not sure you know, are prophetic david wrote of Christ hid descendant. so i suppose, if the term offends you, i appologize , but the scripture does say exactly what Jesus said it says and you can look at the psalm, God is calling his people gods. he is saying you dont understand my people i have colled you gods, i have called you children of the most High....but you will die like mere men........ its no different form adam, God made everything available to him and made him lord over the earth, freedom to eat pf the tree of Life, gods intimate presence......... why do you suppose the law does not have that relationship between God and man?


why does adam have such freedom and authority and favor, and the people under the Law, have a hard law, that is constantly teaching what not to do to be acceptable to God? and why then later, do you suppose Jesus offers a personal intimate relationship with God again, the promises of blessings, the promise to eat of the tree of life again........


its the ministry of reconciliation" for a reason. were being restored back to what we are meant tp be eternal Beings made in the image and likeness of God, because thats what children are if eternal Life, to be born of God most High...well I prefer the title child of the Most High partaker of the divine nature

2 peter 1 " According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."

i think if we realized we arent supposed to see God like at horeb, but like Jesus taught us, wed realize his will isnt to be eaons away on a throne, with us bowing 3000 times in worship.... but to be among us, Healing and hugging us, speaking with us, blessing us with things we cant concieve..... sharing life with us, having us care for each other eternally. to me thats much more than human. we were good, and we follwed evil and became sinners, through Christ, we are sanctified and justified and yes also glorified with Jesus, did yu know paul taches that we are presently seated with Jesus in Heaven? that Jesus is presently with us on earth? that we are not the same we were? the old has gone the new creation has come?

we dont understand what man actually is, is why we have the term gods being used of men. not to be confused with the term God who is One and only. men are meant to be like Him. its our purpose to live godly lives now because....were offspring of God thats where man came from. we caused the whole fallen into death and mortality thing

You are a polytheist.