What laws are still in affect?

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john832 said:
Well the first thing we notice is that Christ is talking about the Commandments here, that is a problem for you, isn't it?

But the real issue is you have taken some verses out of context again...

Mar 7:1 Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.
Mar 7:2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.
Mar 7:3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
Mar 7:4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
Mar 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

The subject is the traditions of men, not the Law of God and meat is not even the subject, it is concerning eating BREAD without some pharisaical ceremonial washing of hands.
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Correct in itself listen to what it's saying he didn't say nothing is unclean to eat it says in itself. They were put here for a purpose yes and it was good as the word says but only for its purpose. I'm not trying to be a know it all I'm just trying to show the truth to those who have the ear to hear. Bless you! I respect what you are showing me it's just that I've been there before and there's not one place stating that swine is clean or any other animal in the bible for that matter
 
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And you if you don't want to keep his laws that's fine I'm just doing Gods work. He said not one jot will be taken from the law until the heaven and earth are gone.
 
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Yisraelite said:
Correct in itself listen to what it's saying he didn't say nothing is unclean to eat it says in itself. They were put here for a purpose yes and it was good as the word says but only for its purpose. I'm not trying to be a know it all I'm just trying to show the truth to those who have the ear to hear. Bless you! I respect what you are showing me it's just that I've been there before and there's not one place stating that swine is clean or any other animal in the bible for that matter
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Not only that but at the beginning of the Millennium...



Isa 66:15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
Isa 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
Isa 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
 
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michael56 said:
You asked for scripture, I gave it to you:

It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. [SUP]20[/SUP]Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood
Acts 15:19&20

Three of the above laws it is widely believed were given to appease Jewish legalists who had become Christians. Some believers wanted Gentile converts to be circumcised and required to obey the whole law
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I'm thinkin' they weren't legalists so much as these things had been "abominations" among them for so long that they remained offended by them, and this was a temporary concession for the sake of fellowship with the Christian Gentiles.
 
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Yisraelite said:
I'm not understanding your post...? Help me out...
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I think he is telling you, he can correct me if I am mistaken, that the only regulations apart from
Jesus' commandments (Mt 22:37-40) which fulfilled all man's duty to both God and neighbor were
to refrain from meat offered to idols, strangled meat and blood.
 
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Lol not laughing at you.. let me say this I don't have a problem I'm just being humble and hoping you will forget this doctrine you have been taught since a little child a do as we were directed. First I'm for the Law and faith, remember faith out woks is dead. The key is we have to understand which Laws are still in affect. Until then I can't make you see or hear the balls in your court. Bless you peace and love.
 
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john832 said:
Uh, that mean they can murder and lie?
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That would violate Jesus second commandment (Mt 22:39).

Those who love their neighbors do not murder them nor bear false witness against them.
 
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john832 said:
So, let's see, you believe that having other gods before God, bowing to statues and idols, taking God's name in vain, breaking the Sabbath, dishonoring parents, murdering, stealing, lying and lusting are all acceptable for gentiles?
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Not according to Jesus (Mt 22:37-40).

You believe that is not as important as teaching them to abstain from things strangled and eating blood?
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I think you know the answer to that question.
 
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Most of the laws are still in effect, though they may not affect our salvation.
 
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john832 said:
Ah, I see, you have special, secret knowledge that most do not have. This is simply another manifestation of Gnosticism.
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Yes, that would be Mt 22:37-40.
 
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Elin said:
Yes, that would be Mt 22:37-40.
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Yep, just as Paul shows us, this is the summary of the Ten Commandments...

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
 
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Yisraelite said:
Lol not laughing at you.. let me say this I don't have a problem I'm just being humble and hoping you will forget this doctrine you have been taught since a little child a do as we were directed. First I'm for the Law and faith, remember faith out woks is dead. The key is we have to understand which Laws are still in affect. Until then I can't make you see or hear the balls in your court. Bless you peace and love.
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Whichever laws you have a conscience about breaking are still in effect, for the law has been written on your mind and placed on your heart God desires you to keep. Sin is transgression of the law. Therefore, if you break any law placed on your heart, you must have heartfelt conviction you have done so
 
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michael56 said:
Whichever laws you have a conscience about breaking are still in effect, for the law has been written on your mind and placed on your heart. Sin is transgression of the law. Therefore, if you break any law placed on your heart, you must have heartfelt conviction you have done so
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So, is that the criteria?
 
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michael56 said:
Whichever laws you have a conscience about breaking are still in effect, for the law has been written on your mind and placed on your heart God desires you to keep. Sin is transgression of the law. Therefore, if you break any law placed on your heart, you must have heartfelt conviction you have done so
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You do realize that what you just posted is the definition of a sociopath, don't you?
 
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You do realize that what you just posted is the definition of a sociopath, don't you?
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This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[SUP][b][/SUP][SUP]17 [/SUP]Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more Heb 10:16&17

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law 1john 3:4

If you have a problem with the covenant God put in place, why gripe about it to me?
 
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