What laws are still in affect?

[VioletReigns]

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[Yisraelite]

Because he adds a commandment that is already in the Torah/law does that mean that the rest are done away?

 

[john832]

This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[SUP][b][/SUP][SUP]17 [/SUP]Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more Heb 10:16&17

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law 1john 3:4

If you have a problem with the covenant God put in place, why gripe about it to me?

You know where this quote comes from?

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Now notice verse 33? Know what the word for Law is here?

H8451

תֹּרָה תּוֹרָה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.
Total KJV occurrences: 219

It is Torah.

The New Covenant is the writing of the Torah in hearts and minds, not some made up idea of what you wish the Law to be but the Torah.

 

[Yisraelite]

Who is this man holding the kid Ceasare Borgia?... Never mind. I want to say this before I post this scripture. Being under the law means to be under the punishment of a law and we are not under the law of sin and death because our punishment is no longer death. This doesn't mean we are Lawless it means we're not under the punishment.

 

[john832]

Who is this man holding the kid Ceasare Borgia?... Never mind. I want to say this before I post this scripture. Being under the law means to be under the punishment of a law and we are not under the law of sin and death because our punishment is no longer death. This doesn't mean we are Lawless it means we're not under the punishment.

This is the correct understanding of this passage. We are no longer under the jurisdiction of the Law to exact the death penalty on us, it was paid by Christ.

 

[michael56]

Who is this man holding the kid Ceasare Borgia?... Never mind. I want to say this before I post this scripture. Being under the law means to be under the punishment of a law and we are not under the law of sin and death because our punishment is no longer death. This doesn't mean we are Lawless it means we're not under the punishment.

Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard Lev 19:27

So you would believe every male Gentile convert is sinning if they do not obey this law?

 

[john832]

Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard Lev 19:27

So you would believe every Gentile convert is sinning if they do not obey this law?

Anyone who cuts their hair in a circle to honor Ra the sungod is sinning just the same as those who trimmed their beard to appeal to the pagan gods of the nations around them.

Now let me ask a question, do you know who the person was that spoke these Laws?

 

[michael56]

Anyone who cuts their hair in a circle to honor Ra the sungod is sinning just the same as those who trimmed their beard to appeal to the pagan gods of the nations around them.

Now let me ask a question, do you know who the person was that spoke these Laws?

The question wasn't put to you, however, would you like to answer it as you made a response?

 

[john832]

The question wasn't put to you, however, would you like to answer it as you made a response?

I'd like to see you answer it.

 

[michael56]

I'd like to see you answer it.

I thought you wouldn't

 

[john832]

I thought you wouldn't

I didn't think you could, but I would like to see you answer it.

 

[Elin]

Okay I see now.. HalleluYAH
I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. (*Romans‬ *11‬:*11‬ KJV)
And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. (*Isaiah‬ *49‬:*6‬ KJV)
For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. (*Acts‬ *13‬:*47‬ KJV)
Paul is a israelite not a Jew there is not one Christian in this book and yes the Jews went over board but Paul kept these laws that I posted and
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. (*Exodus‬ *12‬:*49‬ KJV)One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you. (*Numbers‬ *15‬:*16‬ KJV)

So none believed in Christ Jesus?

 

[Elin]

Wow! Ok listen up
TEN COMMANDMENTS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT



Churches across the world teach that God's Ten Commandments were abolished - nailed to the cross with Jesus Christ and that they are no longer required to be kept under the New Covenant. Is this what Jesus and His Apostles taught? Did they continue to teach and observe the commandments? What does the Bible say?

In Matthew 5:17, Jesus declared, "Think NOT that I am come to destroy the Law . . ." So WHY is it that this is what people think? Jesus clearly said DO NOT EVEN THINK THIS, yet ministers and Bible "scholars" alike go ahead and GO AGAINST Jesus' clear teaching by saying that we do not have to keep God's Law. We are warned of these FALSE teachers by the apostle Paul in 2Cor 11:13-15, "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness: whose end shall be according to their works." Satan's ministers pawn themselves off as Jesus' ministers and Satan makes himself out to be Christ!!!

The apostle John taught throughout his writings that the law is still to be observed by God's people. You could read in John 5:14 & 8:11 where Jesus told people to "sin no more". WHAT IS SIN? I Jn 3:4 states, " . . . sin is the transgression of the law". SIN IS THE BREAKING OF GOD'S COMMANDMENTS! Jesus said not to break them anymore!! John said that we don't even know Jesus IF WE DON"T keep the commandments (I Jn 2:3-6). He continued to show that we are to keep the commandments in the book of Revelation. Rev 12:17 says, "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Now read Rev 14:12, "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Rev 22:14 states: "Blessed are they that do His commandments . . . "

What about the apostle Paul? False teachers take Paul's writings out of context to say the Law is done away with. The apostle Peter gave warning of this in 2Pet 3:15,16. Paul himself kept the law and declared, "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good". He wrote to the Romans that ". . . the doers of the law shall be justified" (Rom 2:13). Concerning the GRACE of God that we are under, he asked, " . . . Shall we continue in sin (lawbreaking), that grace may abound? God forbid! (the Greek words here mean, "May it never be conceived of" - DON'T EVEN THINK IT!) How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" (Rom 6:1,2). And concerning Law and Faith he asks, "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid (Again - MAY IT NEVER BE CONCEIVED): Yea, we establish the law". (Rom 3:31)

These are just a few of the many Scriptures which show the Truth of Lawkeeping for Christians.
Let's now take a survey of the New Testament and make a list of the Ten Commandments as they appear throughout it. We'll list each of the commandments as they appear in Exodus 20 first, followed by their New Testament counterparts.

And Jesus said they are all fulfilled in keeping his two commandments (Mt 22:37-40),
as did Paul (Ro 13:8-10).

 

[Elin]

A complete non-sequitur. That passage simply is stating that these are good things that are produced as fruit from a converted person.

Mt 22:37-40 and Ro 13:8-10 are not non-sequiturs.

 

[Elin]

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: (*Colossians‬ *2‬:*14-16‬ KJV). Here Paul is speaking to people in south west turkey who were coming into the truth. They were surrounded by heathens that did not keep any of the Laws so he told them these things. Also The handwriting of ordinances are the handwritings of Moses not God. God wrote the Commandments with his finger.

The handwriting of ordinances (written code) was a certificate of indebtedness in the debtor's handwriting,
used by Paul to designate the Mosaic law with all its regulations, under which everyone is a debtor to God.

 

[Yisraelite]

Lol I won't argue that it is Torah 100% accurate but where you go wrong is that the Torah is his Law that he gave us in the beginning it's just this time like in 33 he will put his Law in our inward parts! So we can keep them. This time is diffrent because he put it in our hearts so that we could keep them in faith and works instead of just doing them with out faith. Think about it. Simplicity he changes not.

 

[Elin]

Got a scripture that says they are the embodiment of the Law?

Try Mt 22:40; Ro 13: 8, 9, 10.

The verse says they are the produce of living according to the Spirit.

That would be the Spirit who writes the law on hearts and minds.

 

[Elin]

Right he showed us how to produce these things by his law that is perfect. If you love him you will keep his commandments...also I might add But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. (*Isaiah‬ *64‬:*6‬ KJV) you can't put forth fruit when you're not keeping his Commandments Impossible.
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. (*John‬ *14‬:*21‬ KJV) To top it off sin is transgression of the Law.

And loving God and neighbor is the total keeping/fulfilling of the commandments
(Mt 22:37-40; Ro 13:8-10).

 

[Elin]

We are carnal man and his law is perfect that's why he said He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. (*John‬ *14‬:*21) might I add For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: (*Hebrews‬ *8‬:*10‬ KJV)
Okay I've proved everything so it's up to you now to find out if it's true or not. Everything is here so search the scriptures and
don't use Paul for your defense

So most of the NT is not true? . . .Interesting. . .

Peter warns us of Pauls writing here.
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as
our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

But Peter calls Paul his "beloved brother, with "wisdom given to him" from God.

So which is it. . .a warning or an endorsement?

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which
they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. (*2 Peter‬ *3‬:*15-16‬ KJV)

So Peter groups Paul's writings with the other Scriptures.

So Peter says as the unlearned and unstable wrestle the Scriptures, so also they wrestle Paul's writings.

That doesn't sound like a warning about Paul's writings, that sounds like a warning about wrestling with
Paul's writings, as the ignorant and unstable wrestle with the other Scriptures.

It would be stupid of us to change our thought of the laws because of Paul being we were warned by Peter.

I'm thinking, according to Peter, that's not where the stupidity lies.

Plus we need 2 or more witnesses

God the Son does not need two or more witnesses to authorize his commandments (Mt 22:37-39), the obedience to which is the total keeping/fulfilling of the law (Mt 22:40).

 

[Elin]

Seriously look into that and read it again my friend. This is 800 miles away fro Jerusalem in south west Turkey... Again south west Turkey this is not a place where there are law abiding followers of Christ. Lol it's not funny it's just appalling how I told you to do your own do-diligence I'm not researching for you. I just want people to use self autonomy and do your own independent research. I understand this will cause change and most are quickly offended when truth finds them out. I've been there. Ive had this train wreck already. Look there is nothing wrong with feeling you have the truth and just going back to make sure it's the truth. Satan is slick he's been here for a very long time so don't think for one second that you couldn't have been fooled. The bible says he came to decieive the world. Are you not in it. I can't make you do the research but know truth will only be truth to them that find it. I've been where you are and have seen how you believe that doctrine because I did.
Be like Paul in the wilderness and relearn everything

So which pony you gonna' ride. . .Paul is not to be trusted, or Paul is to be trusted?