What laws are still in affect?

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is this a 'what's right' or a 'who is right' or a 'who is the greatest'???
 
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Sir I'm only here to show you the laws still stand all of this out of context stuff I apologize if it was not on what you were talking about. Lol I have a understanding and I see you don't so don't boast just let me know where you're coming from and I'll meet you there. Bless you!
 
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No sir this is about the truth but I see everyone here is close minded and can only replay what they've been trained to believe since we've been in this country of Heathens
 
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No sir this is about the truth but I see everyone here is close minded and can only replay what they've been trained to believe since we've been in this country of Heathens
1Ti 1:6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
 

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Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

You can't take the law and remove the parts you don't like and keep the parts you do. Its all or nothing. If you can see that the Lord has fulfilled some part of the law how come you can't see He has fulfilled the rest as well???

He didn't say He came to fulfill part of the law.
 
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Mark 12:28-31
28And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? 29And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

In answering the op.......if a Christian truly and wholeheartedly obeys these two commands, he or she will be fulfilling everything that God requires of us. Faith working in love.......it is the simplicity of Christ's message to all men who believe in Him....... those who call Him their Savior. Praise be to God our Father and our Lord Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of the Eternal Father for shedding His precious blood for all of our sins that we who believe in Him and trust solely in His righteousness can declare with the angels and heavenly multitude......."Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men."
 

john832

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And Jesus said they are all fulfilled in keeping his two commandments (Mt 22:37-40),
as did Paul (Ro 13:8-10).
I think you are confusing fulfilled with dismissed.
 

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Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

You can't take the law and remove the parts you don't like and keep the parts you do. Its all or nothing. If you can see that the Lord has fulfilled some part of the law how come you can't see He has fulfilled the rest as well???

He didn't say He came to fulfill part of the law.
Isn't it the old: It has to be me in it, somehow? Thanks to be to God and His mercy, it's not us in it, it's the Lord's doing else we're all doomed.

We want to keep the law because we already are righteous, never in order to become righteous.
 

john832

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In actuality, Paul received all his teaching from Jesus Christ, and his writings are in perfect agreement with Jesus Christ.

It is your theology that sets them against themselves.
Yes they are in perfect agreement. If Christ says one thing and Paul seems to say another, then perhaps we are not understanding what is being said.

In other words, when Christ said to keep the Commandments, and Paul says we are not under the Law, then if we see that as a dichotomy, then our understanding is incorrect. The teachings of Paul must be harmonized with the teachings of Crhist but not vice-versa.
 

john832

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Ceremonially unclean does not mean physically unclean.
Please show me where meats are called ceremonially unclean. I would see chapter and verse.
 
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you already know, i think, just didn't remember ---- (if i understand 'ceremonially' here) -----

if anyone sets before you otherwise kosher food meat, and they say they have offered it to idols,

then don't eat it.

NT x3 plus , i think.


i.e. if someone sets before you real food that isn't a sacrifice to idols, and there's no binding oath upon you,
you may eat it if the russians haven't threatened to detonate a neutron or biological bomb as soon as you eat it.

sure, you could eat it then also, but pray and hope then that ncis gets there in time to stop the russian plot.
 
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Peter was the first apostle told by the Lord to preach to the Gentiles (those whom are not Jewish).

“Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.” Acts 15:7

The Jewish believers wanted the Gentiles believers to follow the law because we do have the same Father. Peter responded by saying,

“Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?” Acts 15:10

Peter did not want the law taught to the Gentiles because there would be such a burden, a self condemning act, of trying to live by the letter of the law in order to save ourselves. Then James answered after hearing Paul and Barnabas speak about the miracles and wonders God did among the Gentiles and said,

“Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.” Acts 15:19-20

The letter written to the Gentiles is found in Acts 15:23-29 please read it.

Paul, our minister to the Gentiles, whom was appointed by Jesus Christ, addresses this issue of what to eat and what not eat and states,

“For every creature of God is good and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.” 1 Timothy 4:4-5

Which, simply put, means to thank God our Father for the food he has given you before you begin to eat. However, Paul does instruct us on what to do if a brother does not understand this. I encourage you to research this.


I love you all
 

john832

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Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

You can't take the law and remove the parts you don't like and keep the parts you do. Its all or nothing. If you can see that the Lord has fulfilled some part of the law how come you can't see He has fulfilled the rest as well???

He didn't say He came to fulfill part of the law.
OK, till all be fulfilled...

when did Christ return?
 

john832

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Peter was the first apostle told by the Lord to preach to the Gentiles (those whom are not Jewish).

“Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.” Acts 15:7

The Jewish believers wanted the Gentiles believers to follow the law because we do have the same Father. Peter responded by saying,

“Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?” Acts 15:10

Pretty tough to ask the gentiles to not murder? It would be a terrible yoke of bondage to ask them not to lie? How about honoring their parents? No dice there either?

Perhaps you should check the context...

Act 15:1 And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved."




Peter did not want the law taught to the Gentiles because there would be such a burden, a self condemning act, of trying to live by the letter of the law in order to save ourselves. Then James answered after hearing Paul and Barnabas speak about the miracles and wonders God did among the Gentiles and said,

“Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.” Acts 15:19-20

The letter written to the Gentiles is found in Acts 15:23-29 please read it.
So, have other gods before God? Bow down to idols? Use God's holy name in any vile fashion? Break the Sabbath? So all of this because teaching the Ten Commandments is a burden but tell the gentiles that whatever they do, don't eat blood?

You don't see this as a little odd?

Paul, our minister to the Gentiles, whom was appointed by Jesus Christ, addresses this issue of what to eat and what not eat and states,

“For every creature of God is good and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.” 1 Timothy 4:4-5

Which, simply put, means to thank God our Father for the food he has given you before you begin to eat. However, Paul does instruct us on what to do if a brother does not understand this. I encourage you to research this.


I love you all
What about the part that says "for it is sanctified by the word of God"? Where is meat sanctified or set apart in scripture?

Lev 11:1 Now the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them,
Lev 11:2 "Speak to the children of Israel, saying, 'These are the animals which you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth:

Deu 14:3 "You shall not eat any detestable thing.
Deu 14:4 These are the animals which you may eat: the ox, the sheep, the goat,
 
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No sir this is about the truth but I see everyone here is close minded and can only replay what they've been trained to believe since we've been in this country of Heathens
unlike ````````````````````````````` (cat prints :) )................

the gentiles long ago used to go to the sabbath meetings and pay attention to, listen attentively, learn Torah every week.

obviously, gentiles (usually) don't do this any more any where. (of course, a lot of Jews don't also..... 'nother place for that)....


even the <supposed> "righteous" in the ewe knighted states , the 'popular' or /and well known/ religious teachers and scholars and students, the ones who 'call on the name ' and 'worship him with their lips' .... but their hearts are far from him,
they
are not righteous in any sense of the word - not by faith, not by works, not by grace, not by anything at all......

so the multitudes in this (and other countries) are out in the cold, naked, helpless, without experiential knowledge of truth in their circle of life..... .... .... as it is written (at best) 'sheep' without a shepherd usually......

"(at best)" 'sheep' because i don't think it's right to call goats sheep, or willfully rejecting the savior, sheep.... but not sure and that may be different for different folks, as Yahweh knows, and Yahweh might grant the worst mercy today or tomorrow or someday...... we pray and hope so for all everywhere.....
 

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Please show me where meats are called ceremonially unclean. I would see chapter and verse.
The regulations regarding defilement were a matter of religious/ceremonial defilement,
not a matter of moral or physical uncleanness.

The word "ceremonially" is not used in the text, it is the result of the following Biblical facts:

Such things as sexual intercourse and childbirth were defiling, as well as foods which
God had formerly given mankind to eat (Ge 9:3), and all these things required ceremonial
cleansing to remove the defilement.


These regulations regarding defilement were given to show the meaning of sin--it is
spiritual defilement which requires cleansing, for fellowship with God.
T
he defilements and cleansings were for a figure of sin and its remedy, not for actual
physical or moral uncleanness. The defilement was "ceremonial."

We see this fact
in the NT where true defilement is shown to be a matter of the heart
(1Tit 1:15; Lk 11:41) not of ordinances regarding food (Mt 15:10;
Mk 7:19; Ro 14:14, 20;
Heb 9:10; 1Co 8:7-8, 10:25-29; 1Tim 4:3-5), houses, clothing, sexual intercourse,
childbirth, etc..

The temporary regulations administered by the temporary Levitical priesthood (Heb 7:12)
and temporary old covenant (Heb 8:13) are replaced in the NT with the eternal priesthood
(Heb 7:17, 21) and new covenant (Lk 22:20) of Christ Jesus.

The new covenant (2Co 3:6; Heb 8:6, 9:15) people of God in the time of reformation/new order
(Heb 9:10), which is the NT, are are no longer under old covenant regulations.
 

Elin

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Elin said:
In actuality, Paul received all his teaching from Jesus Christ,
and his writings are in perfect agreement with Jesus Christ.

It is your theology that sets them against themselves
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Yes they are in perfect agreement. If Christ says one thing and Paul seems to say another, then perhaps we are not understanding what is being said.

In other words, when Christ said to keep the Commandments, and Paul says we are not under the Law, then if we see that as a dichotomy, then our understanding is incorrect.
The teachings of Paul must be harmonized with the teachings of Crhist but not vice-versa.
There is no "vice versa." It is all the word of God, with the same Author, the Holy Spirit.

In the New Covenant, we are under Christ's law (1Co 9:21; Mt 22:37-39), obedience to which
fulfills one's duty to all God's law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13: 8, 9, 10).
 
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