What laws are still in affect?

[Jeff_56]

likewise some people have never read "God's Key to Health and Happiness" by Pastor Josephson,
or "The Curse Causeless Shall Not Come" by another believer...... similar ones like :
[h=1]Cancer, etc: The curse causeless shall not come, Proverbs 26:2 (Pardon me, but) Unknown Binding – 1977[/h]
by Nord W Davis (Author)


...
...

so they don't know what happens when 'unfiltered' poisons are put in the body of many people. - doctors pretty much never tell them..... (it's not "profitable" for their pocketbooks).....

or even older, and a lot more joyful and free "Moses Wasn't Fat" by Tom Ciola......

of course, paying a lot of money, getting paid a lot of money, is more important to the greedy and the multitudes than truth.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Matthew 15:10,11
10And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: 11Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

quote from 155. "there was the ten commandments given by Moses and there would be no help for those trying to keep the ten"


only someone who has never read or never understood the bible could say this.

of course, only the righteous in the OT and in the NT would understand , just reading wouldn't mean grasping what it says.

I would say that you are the one that do not understand why the ten commandments were given
Why did JESUS come to earth if you can be made right before GOD by fulfilling the ten commandments?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Matthew 15:10,11
10And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: 11Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

And under the ten commandments they couldn't perfect the inside but under the two commandments we were able to access grace through faith in the finished work of JESUS.

 

[Elin]

The word "ceremonially" is not used in the text, it is the result of the following Biblical facts:

Such things as sexual intercourse and childbirth were defiling, as well as
foods which God had formerly given mankind to eat (Ge 9:3), and all these things
required ceremonial cleansing to remove the defilement.

If these foods were healthy food in Ge 9:3, what made them unhealthy in Lev 11, and then healthy again in Mt 15:10; Mk 7:19; Ro 14:14, 20; 1Tim 4:3-5, etc.?

They were never unhealthy. . ."unclean" food was not about health,
"unclean" was about a figure/pattern of sin, as spiritual uncleanness
which requires cleansing, for fellowship with God.

If they were about health, how would cleansing remedy their health?
The defilement was "ceremonial," i.e., not about morality or health.

The defilements and cleansings were for a figure of sin and its remedy, not for actual
physical or moral uncleanness.

We see this fact in the NT where true defilement is shown to be a matter of the heart (Mt 7:20-23; 1Tit 1:15; Lk 11:41) not of ordinances regarding food (Mt 15:10; Mk 7:19; Ro 14:14, 20; Heb 9:10; 1Co 8:7-8, 10:25-29; 1Tim 4:3-5), houses, clothing, sexual intercourse, childbirth, etc.

The temporary regulations of the temporary old covenant (Heb 8:13) administered by the temporary Levitical priesthood (Heb 7:12) are replaced in the NT with the eternal priesthood (Heb 7:17, 21) and new covenant (Lk 22:20) of Christ Jesus.

The new covenant (2Co 3:6; Heb 8:6, 9:15) people of God in the time of reformation/new order (Heb 9:10), which is the NT, are are no longer under old covenant regulations.

Show me where clean and unclean meats are a ceremonial Law...

The meaning of "ceremonial" law is shown above. . .it's not about ceremonies.

 

[Mitspa]

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

 

[oldthennew]

I'm still trying to figure out why those who believe that when they commit any sin,
that when they sin, that Jesus' Works for mankind were 'finished',
to those who believe that every sin that is ever committed fall under only
'two' Commandments???

what happened to the 'other' EIGHT? were they thrown into the 'lake of fire'?

 

[Jeff_56]

no one can figure it out. that's why yahweh planned a mystery - redemption via yahshua, suffering servant/ messiah/ king....

and most here have not figured it out, and won't if they don't start or seek to trust him to accomplish his way.

 

[Elin]

I'm still trying to figure out why those who believe that when they commit any sin,
that when they sin, that Jesus' Works for mankind were 'finished',
to those who believe that every sin that is ever committed fall under only
'two' Commandments???

what happened to the 'other' EIGHT? were they thrown into the 'lake of fire'?

Jesus answers your question in Mt 22:37-40.

 

[Jeff_56]

so, you being saved however you think you're saved, or not if you think you're not saved ... then someone else ? >>>, you (or they?) can drink antifreeze and battery acid "into the mouth"
just like koolaid or juice or water
and it won't defile you ???

Matthew 15:10,11
10And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: 11Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

 

[Jeff_56]

no he doesn't.

Jesus answers your question in Mt 22:37-40.

 

[Elin]

to those who believe that
every sin that is ever committed fall under only'two' Commandments???

what happened to the 'other' EIGHT? were they thrown into the 'lake of fire'?

Jesus answers your question in Mt 22:37-40.

no he doesn't.

Then let me explain it to you: the other eight are included in the two, as is the entire OT (Mt 22:40).

 

[Delivery]

I'm still trying to figure out why those who believe that when they commit any sin,
that when they sin, that Jesus' Works for mankind were 'finished',
to those who believe that every sin that is ever committed fall under only
'two' Commandments???

what happened to the 'other' EIGHT? were they thrown into the 'lake of fire'?

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
[SUP]9[/SUP] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]10[/SUP] Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

 

[SaintJoeNow]

If you disagree please prove only by the Word of God or it's not proof thanks!


You demand proof by the Word of God for statements you make which have little to do with the Word of God, very well.

I don't know what you mean by "judgemental" but usually when people say that, it means they don't like being told that anythign they do is wrong, and because your usage of "judgemental" is not scriptural, on that I cannot give a scriptural answer because I don't know what you are trying to say.

As for this:Judgmental law/ law of sin and death which is done away with because Jesus died for our sins and so that our punishment would no longer be death.

So the judgmental laws/sin and death are done away
...leaving out "judgemental".......
The law of sin and death remains in effect. Romans 7:23.....you might want to look it up to prevent me from being judgemental in saying you are not studying doctrine

 

[Sophia]

All the Laws are still in effect, condemning sinners and proving the righteous.
To the righteous, the Laws are made clear by the Spirit, as not merely Letter (literal), but spiritual.

The Law is not up to man's own interpretation (allegory) or by the Letter (literal).
It is not abolished for those in Christ, but it is established and revealed in them.

We should firmly rebuke the historical-grammatical approach to hermeneutic,
and also the allegorical approach.
Both are based on the physical mind of scholasticism, not in the Spirit.

(There is much benefit to studying the historical-grammatical hermeneutic,
and much wisdom and truth in the allegorical,
but neither are the Authority, which is the Spirit)

 

[john832]

Elin and John,

for my wife and myself, your communication which each other gives us both not only hope but joy that you
are both so zealous for your Father in Heaven.
how pleased He must be to see you both are searching the depths and riches of His Holy Scriptures,
but,
above being right or wrong on some points of doctrine, you both are presenting to the
whole FORUM that, even though you may disagree on certain points, you both are exemplifying that
this can be done in such a way that it is teaching others how to communicate in a
respectful and decent manner.

thank you!

Frankly, Elin is quite educated and literate and although we do not agree doctrinally, I respect her knowledge and understanding. She forces me to delve deeper into subjects and learn more. I actually enjoy a fruitful relationship with her.

 

[Mitspa]

2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

 

[oldthennew]

Frankly, Elin is quite educated and literate and although we do not agree doctrinally, I respect her knowledge and understanding. She forces me to delve deeper into subjects and learn more. I actually enjoy a fruitful relationship with her.

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thank you, john832,
for your response.

 

[Elin]

All the Laws are still in effect, condemning sinners and proving the righteous.

Actually, there is only one condemnation since Adam--unbelief.

From Moses to Christ, condemnation by the law was passed over until the death of Christ which atoned for it (Ro 3:25-26).

To the righteous,
the Laws are made clear by the Spirit, as not merely Letter (literal), but spiritual.

Actually, that is an "interpretation of man."

For there is no "letter (literal) of the Law" nor "Spirit of the Law" in the NT.

There is only "the letter", which is the Law, and "the spirit," which is the Holy Spirit.
There is no meaning of the Law apart from the letter (Law).
The only authority for the meaning of the Law is the Law (letter).

The Law is not up to man's own interpretation (allegory) or by the Letter (literal).
It is not abolished for those in Christ, but it is established and revealed in them.

We should firmly rebuke the historical-grammatical approach to hermeneutic,

There is no knowing the meaning of a text without the "grammatical" approach.

Both are based on the physical mind of scholasticism, not in the Spirit.

The word of God is propositional, not esoteric.
Propositions are grammatical.
There is no correct understanding of the exoteric word of God without the "grammatical" approach.

There is much benefit to studying the historical-grammatical hermeneutic,
and much wisdom and truth in the allegorical,
but neither are the Authority, which is the Spirit)

And the Holy Spirit gives us understanding of the propositional grammar of the Law (letter),
which propositions are the authority.

 

[Jeff_56]

what laws are still in effect ??

i think no one mentioned these:

Romans 13 Amplified Bible (AMP)

13 Let every person be loyally subject to the governing (civil) authorities. For there is no authority except from God [by His permission, His sanction], and those that exist do so by God’s appointment.

propose away! God's Word still is in effect! (though few know it )....

PS 3 year olds "KNOW" , without knowing any grammar. just by listening to GRANDMA ! (if she's like Timothy's GRANDMA)