WHERE ARE WE TODAY IN THE BIRTH PAINS???
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Do those in Christ stand accursed before God? What instrument does he use for accusation against the brethren if those in Christ are not under the Law? Does he stand accusing his own, the children of wrath or has he came to persecute the Church? But, we, through Christ, have access to the presence of God and we do not stand accursed before God, but we are His children.
He is now the prince of the air, the one who works in (by: instrumentality) the children of disobedience which will bring about a final battle.
He is now the prince of the air, the one who works in (by: instrumentality) the children of disobedience which will bring about a final battle.
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mine doesn't say that. it says:
Rev. 11
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, [SUP]17 [/SUP]saying:“We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty,
The One who is and who was and who is to come,[SUP][g][/SUP]
Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant[SUP][h][/SUP] was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.
Rev. 11
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, [SUP]17 [/SUP]saying:“We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty,
The One who is and who was and who is to come,[SUP][g][/SUP]
Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant[SUP][h][/SUP] was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.
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Revelation 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.
So this is not going on today? Satan has already been cast down??
So this is not going on today? Satan has already been cast down??
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You are talking about the same earthly messianic kingdom which has caused the majority of the Jewish nation to stumble and fall.
The Messianic Kingdom, Jesus Christ's kingdom, is not an earthly kingdom. Think about it, if Jesus' kingdom is eternal, and it is, then it cannot be earthly because this old earth is not eternal, this earth and everything in it is temporal, the opposite of eternal, and will one day pass away and there will be a new heavens and a new earth. So if this present earth will one day pass away, how do you figure a kingdom of this earth can last forever? The only thing that is eternal, that will last forever, that will never pass away, is Heaven, the Kingdom of God and of His Christ, the Kingdom where even now Jesus sits on the throne reigning over all things, a throne by the way that sits in the heart of the New Jerusalem, and from which the river of the water of life flows from which we and the nations of the redeemed have drawn the water of everlasting life.
Jesus' kingdom, the Messiah's kingdom, is God's Kingdom, the kingdom of heaven, the ONLY kingdom that Jesus ever taught! That's why you have this sense that in Jesus' kingdom there will be no sinners living in rebellion against him. That's why you have this sense that in Jesus' kingdom there will be no fear, there will be no war, no fighting, no wickedness, no evil. You know this much, but you're had it all scrambled up by these prophecy guru's to believe that Jesus' kingdom will be a physical, earthly kingdom that has not yet come.
But the Kingdom over which Jesus reigns has come brother, and you have been born into and become a citizen of it, along with countless multitudes from every nation on earth, and a remnant of Jews among whom are numbered Abraham and Moses, David and Daniel, Paul and John, Peter and Nicodemus. You are in very good company brother, the company of the saints, citizens of the Eternal Kingdom of Heaven.
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
The Messianic Kingdom, Jesus Christ's kingdom, is not an earthly kingdom. Think about it, if Jesus' kingdom is eternal, and it is, then it cannot be earthly because this old earth is not eternal, this earth and everything in it is temporal, the opposite of eternal, and will one day pass away and there will be a new heavens and a new earth. So if this present earth will one day pass away, how do you figure a kingdom of this earth can last forever? The only thing that is eternal, that will last forever, that will never pass away, is Heaven, the Kingdom of God and of His Christ, the Kingdom where even now Jesus sits on the throne reigning over all things, a throne by the way that sits in the heart of the New Jerusalem, and from which the river of the water of life flows from which we and the nations of the redeemed have drawn the water of everlasting life.
Jesus' kingdom, the Messiah's kingdom, is God's Kingdom, the kingdom of heaven, the ONLY kingdom that Jesus ever taught! That's why you have this sense that in Jesus' kingdom there will be no sinners living in rebellion against him. That's why you have this sense that in Jesus' kingdom there will be no fear, there will be no war, no fighting, no wickedness, no evil. You know this much, but you're had it all scrambled up by these prophecy guru's to believe that Jesus' kingdom will be a physical, earthly kingdom that has not yet come.
But the Kingdom over which Jesus reigns has come brother, and you have been born into and become a citizen of it, along with countless multitudes from every nation on earth, and a remnant of Jews among whom are numbered Abraham and Moses, David and Daniel, Paul and John, Peter and Nicodemus. You are in very good company brother, the company of the saints, citizens of the Eternal Kingdom of Heaven.
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
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yeah Satan has been cast down. Jesus spoke of it....
Luke 10:18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
not "will see" but SAW.....
Luke 10:18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
not "will see" but SAW.....
Matthew 13
25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, 'Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?' 28 He said to them, 'An enemy has done this.' The servants said to him, 'Do you want us then to go and gather them up?' 29 But he said, 'No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn."
25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, 'Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?' 28 He said to them, 'An enemy has done this.' The servants said to him, 'Do you want us then to go and gather them up?' 29 But he said, 'No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn."
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Correct. Satan was cast down when Jesus was lifted up on the Cross. That was the defeat and downfall of the Devil.
"Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die." John 12:31-32
The lifting up of Jesus on the Cross was the judgment and casting out of Satan, the defeat and downfall of the Prince of this world.
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
"Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die." John 12:31-32
The lifting up of Jesus on the Cross was the judgment and casting out of Satan, the defeat and downfall of the Prince of this world.
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
ways for 3 years...you see the reaction..