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You asked and what guarantee will there be that free will won't commit it anew in heaven in the future?
Because God is sovereign and knows whois real and who is not, who wants to serve with respect and who does not all those that chose Lucifer are kicked out with Lucifer, for
John 16:11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. It is finished at the cross Christ took care of it and condemned all sin to the flesh
Romans 8:3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
This why we are to die to the flesh and come alive to God in the Spirit of God
Romans 6:2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Romans 6:4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:7For he that is dead is freed from sin.
problem is people are not believing they are dead through belief and alive to God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ and can only be attained by beleif in God and God approving this by one's Motives if true motive come on in if not a veil remains
Romans 6:8Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Romans 6:11Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 8:10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
The above is an absolute fact period but it is by whether one believes this or not and God revealing it to you
Sin is done away with in Christ by the death of Christ and we are not saved by the deathwe are saved by the life
Romans 5:10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Because God is sovereign and knows whois real and who is not, who wants to serve with respect and who does not all those that chose Lucifer are kicked out with Lucifer, for
John 16:11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. It is finished at the cross Christ took care of it and condemned all sin to the flesh
Romans 8:3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
This why we are to die to the flesh and come alive to God in the Spirit of God
Romans 6:2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Romans 6:4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:7For he that is dead is freed from sin.
problem is people are not believing they are dead through belief and alive to God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ and can only be attained by beleif in God and God approving this by one's Motives if true motive come on in if not a veil remains
Romans 6:8Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Romans 6:11Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 8:10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
The above is an absolute fact period but it is by whether one believes this or not and God revealing it to you
Sin is done away with in Christ by the death of Christ and we are not saved by the deathwe are saved by the life
Romans 5:10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Not according to Paul
Romans 6:1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Romans 6:2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Problem today is people do not believe that by the cross that they are dead to sin, because Satan has spread the lie that since our bodies are still alive that we can't quit and this is an accepted practice therefore you by belief in that lie continue in the body trying and can never accomplish which is Good because we can't not ever of self but if we die in belief that by the cross we die with Christ and then ask to raised back to life as Christ is by God the Father then we are anew alive in the Spirit not back and forth as most of us are doing in and out of fellowship, when there is no in and out of fellowship. You by belief are in or you are not today is the day of salvation by belief and start dieing daily as Paul said to do
In Love of the truth that sets us free
Romans 6:1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Romans 6:2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Problem today is people do not believe that by the cross that they are dead to sin, because Satan has spread the lie that since our bodies are still alive that we can't quit and this is an accepted practice therefore you by belief in that lie continue in the body trying and can never accomplish which is Good because we can't not ever of self but if we die in belief that by the cross we die with Christ and then ask to raised back to life as Christ is by God the Father then we are anew alive in the Spirit not back and forth as most of us are doing in and out of fellowship, when there is no in and out of fellowship. You by belief are in or you are not today is the day of salvation by belief and start dieing daily as Paul said to do
In Love of the truth that sets us free
E
I think your belief comes from emotion or philosophy. My belief of the sovereignty of God keeps his integrity intact. He is seen as both a loving God and a just God.. and I agree on obama..lol
yes scripture is clear on how wicked and evil men are. But scripture is very clear also on mans ability to come to Christ. We can not "call out on the name of the lord" or "believe in him" if we do not have the ability, in the same token, we can not be judged for not believing, if we are not given the ability to believe.
Scripture says all who are condemned are condemned because they did not believe. They can not be rightly condemned if they are not given the opportunity to believe. this would not be righteous judgment, but unrighteous abuse of authority.
lol.. The argument is based on semantics. Both of us can be right. You say God helps only some, and not others. i say God knows who will respond, and draws them.. The argument itself is fruitless.. as both can be right. which takes us again back to the character of God.. which shows he has a more righteous character?
He predestined based on foreknowledge. It does not matter if we agree or not. As for humility. Unregenerate man shows humility all the time. An unregenerate father humbles himself for his kids, his wife etc. nothing says he can not humble himself and come to Christ, it is why God sent his spirit to teach all men the things of God, including the just ocndemnation of man, so all men have the ability to humble themselves.
Not of WORKS lest any man should boast. It (salvation) is of faith not works.. My faith did not come from me, it came from the promise God offered me. why can;t you see this?
Can not find it in scripture. Grace is grace, all men have grace, if not for grace, we would not be here. we would have been terminated after the first sin.
this prevenient grace stuff is just a religious term to help our belief system. anmd is not found in scripture. show me one place where prevenient grace is found in scripture.
yes scripture is clear on how wicked and evil men are. But scripture is very clear also on mans ability to come to Christ. We can not "call out on the name of the lord" or "believe in him" if we do not have the ability, in the same token, we can not be judged for not believing, if we are not given the ability to believe.
Scripture says all who are condemned are condemned because they did not believe. They can not be rightly condemned if they are not given the opportunity to believe. this would not be righteous judgment, but unrighteous abuse of authority.
lol.. The argument is based on semantics. Both of us can be right. You say God helps only some, and not others. i say God knows who will respond, and draws them.. The argument itself is fruitless.. as both can be right. which takes us again back to the character of God.. which shows he has a more righteous character?
He predestined based on foreknowledge. It does not matter if we agree or not. As for humility. Unregenerate man shows humility all the time. An unregenerate father humbles himself for his kids, his wife etc. nothing says he can not humble himself and come to Christ, it is why God sent his spirit to teach all men the things of God, including the just ocndemnation of man, so all men have the ability to humble themselves.
Not of WORKS lest any man should boast. It (salvation) is of faith not works.. My faith did not come from me, it came from the promise God offered me. why can;t you see this?
Can not find it in scripture. Grace is grace, all men have grace, if not for grace, we would not be here. we would have been terminated after the first sin.
this prevenient grace stuff is just a religious term to help our belief system. anmd is not found in scripture. show me one place where prevenient grace is found in scripture.
A
so posting Finney as an example of bad doctrine is out
since when i wonder.
he been around since 1875.
*wonders if it was a dream*
would have thought ppl might want to see where some ideas got a good foothold and examine closer.
didn't know this was a rock concert or summink.
oh well.
since when i wonder.
he been around since 1875.
*wonders if it was a dream*
would have thought ppl might want to see where some ideas got a good foothold and examine closer.
didn't know this was a rock concert or summink.
oh well.
is silly i think.
To say that your either calvinist or arminian is also too narrowminded.
Then heap on a name of a demonized heretic causes a temptation
of a flesh response.
Finny hardly taught anything original. He just an easy target.
And whether amil came from the church prior to the reformation
means little to me.
E
I do think it is interesting. She seems to have no problem saying she wants people to see where their belief came from. but when people do the same back to her.. it is wrong..lol sortof a double standard!!
Thats why I like to stick to the word.. History is ok.. but history has been a bad thing to use to support our beliefs since history started!
Thats why I like to stick to the word.. History is ok.. but history has been a bad thing to use to support our beliefs since history started!
hmmm.....it doesn't tell us, does it?
since the former things are forgotten and not remembered any more, and since it's all glory,
and eternal,
imma go with lack of choice.
what bad could there be to choose?
it doesn't say there will ever be another judgment.
so looks like no more bad things to choose.
but who can say.
God will work it right
what a day!
A
My problem is in the examination of the hermeneutics and exegesis that some claim
to come to their conclusions. See? I never cared. Ive learned from aw pink, edwards, owen
.....to tell the truth ive learned more from calvinists more than anyone. And am thankful
for their tremendous work. I just cant turn a blind eye to what i can see. And accept what
seems bad exegesis and hermeneutic. Thats the advantage of not being a goldclub member
of any namebrand cult. Im just a ordinary heretic.
A
Following them? No!!!! But for example take aw pink. Several books on "gleaning" My gosh it gives me goosebumps!
I learned more in a paragraph than an entire book by others. The book on the attributes of God, i think that saved
me decades of bible study to see, if i ever would have seen it.
John Owen/Edwards/Murray combined saved me 20 lifetimes. God set people in the body, not perfect men.
But id never not read anything avaliable to me.....which doest make me a follower. I know whom i trust in.
See EG i even listened to your pastor. ha
J
He tells man to be autonomous from God.
[video=youtube;dz2LTIkWIB0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz2LTIkWIB0[/video]
He tells man every day, you and I, to disobey God and to borrow from Fleetwoodmac, to "go your own way", after all that God feller, he doesn't know what he's doing... "His laws, his ways, they're restrictive! That's not love! The law is not love, it is slavery!"
... and man falls for it everyday, but it isn't entirely because we're stupid and easily dooped, but because that's what we want! We assert our own autonomy every day when we sin.
Jesus commands us to die to ourselves:
Matthew 16
Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me."
Jesus tells us to take that self autonomy and bury it, and that is something I find so refreshing about Calvinism compared to American Christianity. The free willy type, seeks to divorce God from any scripture sense of sovereignty. God doesn't rule over the universe, he doesn't command history, he isn't Lord of Lords and King of Kings... you are! Assert yourself! Woohoo! Autonomy.
Paul says:
Galatians 6:14
May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
Paul says that he is crucified to the world, and elsewhere he says "it is no longer I(Paul) who lives, but rather it is Christ living in me." These are not the words of a human asserting his own autonomy. It is of a man who is a slave to Christ, and yet the free willy objects to any notion that man not autonomous.
What bothers me the most though, are the worldly arguments used and the godless fatalism that results.
Yet, does he not do the opposite as well? As a multi-tour veteran of the pro-homosexual/same-sex marriage threads that frequently reoccur, and of dealing with atheism in general, it pains me to see free willys use the same arguments they do. "A God of love wouldn't do that! He wouldn't stop a loving couple!" I have a friend who is PCUSA, who used that argument. Before the summer he was against same-sex marriage and homosexual pastors, the PCUSA changed it's stance, and so did he. Now he says, "Well, God is a god of love, so how could he ever stop two homosexuals who love each other?"
God commands us to obey, what's wrong with that?
This is problematic to myself and others like me how? Is it because God doesn't save everyone the way you want him to? Is God not just? Not one of us deserves even a chance of salvation. Had Jesus never died on that cross, God would still be perfectly loving, and most certainly perfectly just. Yet the free willy cries "injustice!" at the notion that God does not have to save anyone. What is the best interest of man?
Interestingly enough you use an example where the devil encourages autonomy from God in support of autonomy from God.
Sure does have me on a leash, and will discipline me. Ain't nothin' wrong with that.
Scripture? All throughout he tells us to assert our own autonomy. Do you not recall his encounter with Jesus?
"Yo Jesus, do this"
"No, for God hath said"
I want some bible verses up in hurrr...
Nah, a few maybe... autonomy is his lie. Go your own way.
Jesus tells us to do something very different:
Luke 22:42
"Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done."
Crucify that will of yours, and take up the Father's.
Genesis 3
3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
The devil calls into question the justice of God, and the free willy makes this his main argument against those who say: "Not my will, but yours."
[video=youtube;dz2LTIkWIB0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz2LTIkWIB0[/video]
He tells man every day, you and I, to disobey God and to borrow from Fleetwoodmac, to "go your own way", after all that God feller, he doesn't know what he's doing... "His laws, his ways, they're restrictive! That's not love! The law is not love, it is slavery!"
... and man falls for it everyday, but it isn't entirely because we're stupid and easily dooped, but because that's what we want! We assert our own autonomy every day when we sin.
Jesus commands us to die to ourselves:
Matthew 16
Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me."
Jesus tells us to take that self autonomy and bury it, and that is something I find so refreshing about Calvinism compared to American Christianity. The free willy type, seeks to divorce God from any scripture sense of sovereignty. God doesn't rule over the universe, he doesn't command history, he isn't Lord of Lords and King of Kings... you are! Assert yourself! Woohoo! Autonomy.
Paul says:
Galatians 6:14
May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
Paul says that he is crucified to the world, and elsewhere he says "it is no longer I(Paul) who lives, but rather it is Christ living in me." These are not the words of a human asserting his own autonomy. It is of a man who is a slave to Christ, and yet the free willy objects to any notion that man not autonomous.
What bothers me the most though, are the worldly arguments used and the godless fatalism that results.
Yet, does he not do the opposite as well? As a multi-tour veteran of the pro-homosexual/same-sex marriage threads that frequently reoccur, and of dealing with atheism in general, it pains me to see free willys use the same arguments they do. "A God of love wouldn't do that! He wouldn't stop a loving couple!" I have a friend who is PCUSA, who used that argument. Before the summer he was against same-sex marriage and homosexual pastors, the PCUSA changed it's stance, and so did he. Now he says, "Well, God is a god of love, so how could he ever stop two homosexuals who love each other?"
God commands us to obey, what's wrong with that?
This is problematic to myself and others like me how? Is it because God doesn't save everyone the way you want him to? Is God not just? Not one of us deserves even a chance of salvation. Had Jesus never died on that cross, God would still be perfectly loving, and most certainly perfectly just. Yet the free willy cries "injustice!" at the notion that God does not have to save anyone. What is the best interest of man?
Interestingly enough you use an example where the devil encourages autonomy from God in support of autonomy from God.
Sure does have me on a leash, and will discipline me. Ain't nothin' wrong with that.
Scripture? All throughout he tells us to assert our own autonomy. Do you not recall his encounter with Jesus?
"Yo Jesus, do this"
"No, for God hath said"
I want some bible verses up in hurrr...
Nah, a few maybe... autonomy is his lie. Go your own way.
Jesus tells us to do something very different:
Luke 22:42
"Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done."
Crucify that will of yours, and take up the Father's.
Genesis 3
3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
The devil calls into question the justice of God, and the free willy makes this his main argument against those who say: "Not my will, but yours."
J
I used to hate singing. I wasn't much good at it, and I was even kicked out of vocal class by a middle school teacher.
Psalm 40 is probably my favorite psalm to sing.
1 I waited for the Lord my God,
and patiently did bear;
At length to me he did incline
my voice and cry to hear.
2 He took me from a fearful pit,
and from the miry clay,
And on a rock he set my feet,
establishing my way.
3 He put a new song in my mouth,
our God to magnify:
Many shall see it, and shall fear,
and on the Lord rely.
4 O blessed is the man whose trust
upon the Lord relies;
Respecting not the proud, nor such
as turn aside to lies.
5 O Lord my God, full many are
the wonders thou hast done;
Thy gracious thoughts to us-ward far
above all thoughts are gone:
In order none can reckon them
to thee: if them declare,
And speak of them I would, they more
than can be numbered are.
6 No sacrifice nor offering
didst thou at all desire;
Mine ears thou bored: sin-off 'ring thou
and burnt didst not require:
7 Then to the Lord these were my words,
I come, behold and see;
Within the volume of the book
it written is of me:
8 To do thy will I take delight,
O thou my God that art;
Yea, that most holy law of thine
I have within my heart.
9 Within the congregation great
I righteousness did preach:
Lo, thou dost know, O Lord, that I
refrained not my speech.
10 I never did within my heart
conceal thy righteousness;
I thy salvation have declared,
and shown thy faithfulness:
Thy kindness, which most loving is,
concealed have not I,
Nor from the congregation great
have hid thy verity.
11 Thy tender mercies, Lord, from me
O do thou not restrain;
Thy loving-kindness, and thy truth,
let them me still maintain.
12 For ills past reck'ning compass me,
and mine iniquities
Such hold upon me taken have,
I cannot lift mine eyes:
They more than hairs are on mine head,
thence is my heart dismayed.
13 Be pleased, Lord, to rescue me;
Lord, hasten to mine aid.
14 Shamed and confounded be they all
that seek my soul to kill;
Yea, let them backward driven be,
and shamed, that wish me ill.
15 For a reward of this their shame
confounded let them be.
That in this manner scoffing say,
Aha, aha! to me.
16 In thee let all be glad, and joy,
who seeking thee abide;
Who thy salvation love, say still,
The Lord be magnified.
17 I'm poor and needy, yet the Lord
of me a care doth take:
Thou art my help and savior,
my God, no tarrying make.
I love those first few verses most.
[video=youtube;Bq1jFoSRt0A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq1jFoSRt0A[/video]
Psalm 40 is probably my favorite psalm to sing.
1 I waited for the Lord my God,
and patiently did bear;
At length to me he did incline
my voice and cry to hear.
2 He took me from a fearful pit,
and from the miry clay,
And on a rock he set my feet,
establishing my way.
3 He put a new song in my mouth,
our God to magnify:
Many shall see it, and shall fear,
and on the Lord rely.
4 O blessed is the man whose trust
upon the Lord relies;
Respecting not the proud, nor such
as turn aside to lies.
5 O Lord my God, full many are
the wonders thou hast done;
Thy gracious thoughts to us-ward far
above all thoughts are gone:
In order none can reckon them
to thee: if them declare,
And speak of them I would, they more
than can be numbered are.
6 No sacrifice nor offering
didst thou at all desire;
Mine ears thou bored: sin-off 'ring thou
and burnt didst not require:
7 Then to the Lord these were my words,
I come, behold and see;
Within the volume of the book
it written is of me:
8 To do thy will I take delight,
O thou my God that art;
Yea, that most holy law of thine
I have within my heart.
9 Within the congregation great
I righteousness did preach:
Lo, thou dost know, O Lord, that I
refrained not my speech.
10 I never did within my heart
conceal thy righteousness;
I thy salvation have declared,
and shown thy faithfulness:
Thy kindness, which most loving is,
concealed have not I,
Nor from the congregation great
have hid thy verity.
11 Thy tender mercies, Lord, from me
O do thou not restrain;
Thy loving-kindness, and thy truth,
let them me still maintain.
12 For ills past reck'ning compass me,
and mine iniquities
Such hold upon me taken have,
I cannot lift mine eyes:
They more than hairs are on mine head,
thence is my heart dismayed.
13 Be pleased, Lord, to rescue me;
Lord, hasten to mine aid.
14 Shamed and confounded be they all
that seek my soul to kill;
Yea, let them backward driven be,
and shamed, that wish me ill.
15 For a reward of this their shame
confounded let them be.
That in this manner scoffing say,
Aha, aha! to me.
16 In thee let all be glad, and joy,
who seeking thee abide;
Who thy salvation love, say still,
The Lord be magnified.
17 I'm poor and needy, yet the Lord
of me a care doth take:
Thou art my help and savior,
my God, no tarrying make.
I love those first few verses most.
E
Why? because God does not have our best interests. he wants to rule us. and hold back from us.
Thanks you just proved my point. It is not love, God does not love you. he wants you to be his slave..
yep, we want to be our own God. because God does not love me, or he would not tell me to stop doing things which he says harm me,, to try to trick me into doing his will..
1. He told the people who were already his to doe to self. If we die to self to be saved, then we are teaching a gospel of works. not grace.. so which is it?
2. God does command history. He uses mens free will choices to do his will. thats why he places certain people in certain situations. he knows how they will react. He does not force them.
Non of this denys free will. Paul CHOSE to do this. he was not forced to do this. and he asks all of us to CHOSE to follow him and do this also. and warns us of the consequences if we do not.
what bothers me is fatalism makes out God to be an evil ruler and not a loving father and creator. even to those who will ultimately reject his saving grace.
um free will does not give us the authorityto live in sin, that's a lame excuse. and a lame reason to reject free will God gave us to chose or reject his free gift.
God has a reason. and it is not to make him happy and us unhappy, it is because he created us, and he knows how we work.. Nice twist.
the way I want him to? where does this come from? it is not my will. God said if you trust him, he will save you. there is no other way. It is not my way, it is Gods way..
Thanks you just proved my point. It is not love, God does not love you. he wants you to be his slave..
yep, we want to be our own God. because God does not love me, or he would not tell me to stop doing things which he says harm me,, to try to trick me into doing his will..
1. He told the people who were already his to doe to self. If we die to self to be saved, then we are teaching a gospel of works. not grace.. so which is it?
2. God does command history. He uses mens free will choices to do his will. thats why he places certain people in certain situations. he knows how they will react. He does not force them.
Non of this denys free will. Paul CHOSE to do this. he was not forced to do this. and he asks all of us to CHOSE to follow him and do this also. and warns us of the consequences if we do not.
what bothers me is fatalism makes out God to be an evil ruler and not a loving father and creator. even to those who will ultimately reject his saving grace.
um free will does not give us the authorityto live in sin, that's a lame excuse. and a lame reason to reject free will God gave us to chose or reject his free gift.
God has a reason. and it is not to make him happy and us unhappy, it is because he created us, and he knows how we work.. Nice twist.
the way I want him to? where does this come from? it is not my will. God said if you trust him, he will save you. there is no other way. It is not my way, it is Gods way..
E
Following them? No!!!! But for example take aw pink. Several books on "gleaning" My gosh it gives me goosebumps!
I learned more in a paragraph than an entire book by others. The book on the attributes of God, i think that saved
me decades of bible study to see, if i ever would have seen it.
John Owen/Edwards/Murray combined saved me 20 lifetimes. God set people in the body, not perfect men.
But id never not read anything avaliable to me.....which doest make me a follower. I know whom i trust in.
See EG i even listened to your pastor. ha
I learned more in a paragraph than an entire book by others. The book on the attributes of God, i think that saved
me decades of bible study to see, if i ever would have seen it.
John Owen/Edwards/Murray combined saved me 20 lifetimes. God set people in the body, not perfect men.
But id never not read anything avaliable to me.....which doest make me a follower. I know whom i trust in.
See EG i even listened to your pastor. ha
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Diggs: Jesus tells us to take that self autonomy and bury it, and that is something I find so refreshing about Calvinism compared to American Christianity. The free willy type, seeks to divorce God from any scripture sense of sovereignty. God doesn't rule over the universe, he doesn't command history, he isn't Lord of Lords and King of Kings... you are! Assert yourself! Woohoo! Autonomy.
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What a bold statement. I cant disagree more. Sounds as if anyone who isnt a calvinist
doesnt die to self, doest believe God is sovereign. Just another pack of group think slander.
Nothin more Diggs.
Not sure im a freewilly type tho....just dont connect the dots where the bible doesnt.
I do like alot of calvinism. Quite a bit really.
But they wont let me in their group....no heretics allowed, remember?
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What a bold statement. I cant disagree more. Sounds as if anyone who isnt a calvinist
doesnt die to self, doest believe God is sovereign. Just another pack of group think slander.
Nothin more Diggs.
Not sure im a freewilly type tho....just dont connect the dots where the bible doesnt.
I do like alot of calvinism. Quite a bit really.
But they wont let me in their group....no heretics allowed, remember?
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