Who are the two witnesses/prophets in Revelation?
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Indeed. Those who proclaim their message will be killed by the beasts of Revalations 13 which has pawer to put them to death....
Rev 15, And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 15, And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
It sounds literal to me
Revelation 11
7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Revelation 11
7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
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So you have come to your belief by your human reasoning.
And now you claim that the Spirit gives you discernment.
All this overrides what the Scriptures clearly states.
Continue to blame Jesus for the horror that the man of sin brings upon the earth and believe the evil men who say it is the wrath of God if you must.
I believe Jesus----Great tribulation is coming.
I believe Paul who by the inspiration of God said the gathering of the Saints takes place at the last (none to follow) trump.
See, I do not have to change the meaning of words, call Jesus a liar, or have some kind of special discernment or reasoning to understand, I have the Word of God that states clearly what is happen and when.
And now you claim that the Spirit gives you discernment.
All this overrides what the Scriptures clearly states.
Continue to blame Jesus for the horror that the man of sin brings upon the earth and believe the evil men who say it is the wrath of God if you must.
I believe Jesus----Great tribulation is coming.
I believe Paul who by the inspiration of God said the gathering of the Saints takes place at the last (none to follow) trump.
See, I do not have to change the meaning of words, call Jesus a liar, or have some kind of special discernment or reasoning to understand, I have the Word of God that states clearly what is happen and when.
The CONTEXT is a spiritual metaphor.......
8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which SPIRITUALLY is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Jesus did not die in Egypt or Soddom...
The two great witnesses are the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures. Those proclaiming them have the TESTIMONY of JESUS which God's Word says is the SPIRIT of PROPHECY (Rev 19:10)
This testimony of the WORD of God from the two Witnesses (Daniel and Revelations) will be rejected by those who it is sent (the World; Rev 14:6-12) and those who proclaim this message and it WORDS will be rejected and some put to death by the Beasts of Revelations 13 who have power to kill those who do not follow it over God's Word (Rev 13:5).
8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which SPIRITUALLY is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Jesus did not die in Egypt or Soddom...
The two great witnesses are the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures. Those proclaiming them have the TESTIMONY of JESUS which God's Word says is the SPIRIT of PROPHECY (Rev 19:10)
This testimony of the WORD of God from the two Witnesses (Daniel and Revelations) will be rejected by those who it is sent (the World; Rev 14:6-12) and those who proclaim this message and it WORDS will be rejected and some put to death by the Beasts of Revelations 13 who have power to kill those who do not follow it over God's Word (Rev 13:5).
There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day.
It is given to the blind to have eyes to see and ears to hear and the lame to walk while those seeing see not. Those hearing hear not and those walking walk not.
This is because spiritual things are spiritually discerned.
They that be whole do not need the physician but those that are sick seek him. Many do not know the meaning.
Who can know the mind of God? As the heavens are higher than the earth so are my ways from your ways and so are my thoughts from your thoughts. But the Spirit of truth is given only to those that are poor.
He is the teacher of all the poor in spirit, he knows them all by name because he reads the intent of the heart that is sick.
Who can look into the mirror that God gives to see who they are? These are those the look into the mirror and see God.
The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God neither can he know them because in his mind they are foolishness.
Now you say you see therefore your sin remains. How can you see your way in the dark when the road is narrow and your lamp has gone out?
Do you know the meaning of the scirptures Elsworth?
It is given to the blind to have eyes to see and ears to hear and the lame to walk while those seeing see not. Those hearing hear not and those walking walk not.
This is because spiritual things are spiritually discerned.
They that be whole do not need the physician but those that are sick seek him. Many do not know the meaning.
Who can know the mind of God? As the heavens are higher than the earth so are my ways from your ways and so are my thoughts from your thoughts. But the Spirit of truth is given only to those that are poor.
He is the teacher of all the poor in spirit, he knows them all by name because he reads the intent of the heart that is sick.
Who can look into the mirror that God gives to see who they are? These are those the look into the mirror and see God.
The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God neither can he know them because in his mind they are foolishness.
Now you say you see therefore your sin remains. How can you see your way in the dark when the road is narrow and your lamp has gone out?
Do you know the meaning of the scirptures Elsworth?
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Hello Miknik5,
Not sure about what you are trying to say here, but the One who is restraining and who is taken out of the way, is referring to the Holy Spirit, not Jesus. The Holy Spirit who indwells all believers and who is currently restraining the full force of sin and that man of sin from being revealed, will at some pointe be taken out of the way and those whom He indwells will be removed with Him.
Not sure about what you are trying to say here, but the One who is restraining and who is taken out of the way, is referring to the Holy Spirit, not Jesus. The Holy Spirit who indwells all believers and who is currently restraining the full force of sin and that man of sin from being revealed, will at some pointe be taken out of the way and those whom He indwells will be removed with Him.
Unbelievable! I even provided the scriptures for those resurrections and those caught away and you still reject it. Why don't you go look at those scriptures. I maintain that all those listed above are apart of the first resurrection. Stop commenting on these things because you don't have enough study in it. All you are doing is repeating the same apologetics that you have heard.
It certainly is literal, just as you say.
The two witnesses are killed by the armies of Antichrist in Jerusalem after they finish their testimony (which is said to last 1260 (literal) days), this is around 7-10 days before the Lord’s second coming, their bodies are allowed to lie in the street for three and a half days (literal), during which time Antichrist and his followers are making merry and gloating over their deaths, after three and a half days, like Elijah of old they ascend into Heaven before a watching world. Matt 24v15-31, 2Thess 2v1-12, Rev 11v3-14, 13 (all)
You should also find This blog helpful.
The two witnesses are killed by the armies of Antichrist in Jerusalem after they finish their testimony (which is said to last 1260 (literal) days), this is around 7-10 days before the Lord’s second coming, their bodies are allowed to lie in the street for three and a half days (literal), during which time Antichrist and his followers are making merry and gloating over their deaths, after three and a half days, like Elijah of old they ascend into Heaven before a watching world. Matt 24v15-31, 2Thess 2v1-12, Rev 11v3-14, 13 (all)
You should also find This blog helpful.
And does this override scripture when scripture plainly states that Jesus is the One opening the seals? And since Jesus is the One opening the seals, then he is the One causing the fatalities. But you can't grasp that.
And the part that you are not privy to is, what is the "last trumpet?" You talk about me not remaining in scripture, but you yourself have taken the "last trumpet" and have related it to being the 7th trumpet of the trumpet judgments, all based on the word "trumpet." Did it ever occur to you that they are different trumpets? You also continue to ignore the fact that nowhere in the context of the 7th trumpet is there anything mentioned in reference to the church being gathered or is even mentioned. So you haphazardly apply the "last trumpet" to being synonymous with the 7th trumpet of wrath by what the teachings of men which you've heard.
Jesus also told us that the Holy Spirit would bring to our remembrance everything he told us in His word and that the Spirit would make know things yet to come. It is the Spirit who gives us understanding of God's word.
And the part that you are not privy to is, what is the "last trumpet?" You talk about me not remaining in scripture, but you yourself have taken the "last trumpet" and have related it to being the 7th trumpet of the trumpet judgments, all based on the word "trumpet." Did it ever occur to you that they are different trumpets? You also continue to ignore the fact that nowhere in the context of the 7th trumpet is there anything mentioned in reference to the church being gathered or is even mentioned. So you haphazardly apply the "last trumpet" to being synonymous with the 7th trumpet of wrath by what the teachings of men which you've heard.
Jesus also told us that the Holy Spirit would bring to our remembrance everything he told us in His word and that the Spirit would make know things yet to come. It is the Spirit who gives us understanding of God's word.
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I believe you are as accurate as one could be....in addition the following must be considered;
While The Bible does not tell us ...directly....who the two witnesses are, I believe it does ..indirectly;
It would appear to be an honorary assignment and per scriptures, G-d holds both Enoch and Elijah in high regards. Also, while G-d may give special dispensation as He sees fit, based on scriptures both have not died a physical death and we know The Bible requires it.
There is no other two that the comparative evidence comes anywhere near.
I believe you are as accurate as one could be....in addition the following must be considered;
While The Bible does not tell us ...directly....who the two witnesses are, I believe it does ..indirectly;
It would appear to be an honorary assignment and per scriptures, G-d holds both Enoch and Elijah in high regards. Also, while G-d may give special dispensation as He sees fit, based on scriptures both have not died a physical death and we know The Bible requires it.
There is no other two that the comparative evidence comes anywhere near.
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You have so blinded yourself by your private interpretation of Scripture, changing the meaning of words and self proclaimed spiritualty that you will never see the truth in this lifetime.
You have no basis to judge how much study I nor anyone else does simply because we disagree with you.
It is obvious that you 40 years of study has not produced a true understanding of Scripture.
I would warn everyone to read your post with caution and skepticism.
You have no basis to judge how much study I nor anyone else does simply because we disagree with you.
It is obvious that you 40 years of study has not produced a true understanding of Scripture.
I would warn everyone to read your post with caution and skepticism.
I'm not assuming anything.
People are using the dead in Christ shall rise first scripture as a 'proof' for a pre-trib rapture. So the dead will rise first and no one on earth will notice? And those who are still alive are taken away to heaven after them.
You didn't address this scripture as it relates the the pre-trib rapture theory. Because pre-tribbers are using it as support for the theory and it doesn't add up.
All you've done is address something different.
People are using the dead in Christ shall rise first scripture as a 'proof' for a pre-trib rapture. So the dead will rise first and no one on earth will notice? And those who are still alive are taken away to heaven after them.
You didn't address this scripture as it relates the the pre-trib rapture theory. Because pre-tribbers are using it as support for the theory and it doesn't add up.
All you've done is address something different.